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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: aDoS]
#7459231 - 09/27/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The hard on for Aquamenmydad that a few of you posters have is amusing. It's disgusting and absurd, but good comedy nonetheless.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: d33p]
#7460389 - 09/27/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a great deal of homosexuality in Iran. The real issue, actually, is anthropological in nature.
I've read a lot of ethnographies involving cultures that make a habit of cloistering women and oppressing their sexuality. In every single case, from Papau New Guinea to medieval Europe to ancient Greece to repressive Muslim regimes, men are EXTREMELY sexually frustrated. The women are trapped in their homes and carefully watched. This creates an economic problem. There is a severe lack of Punani resources in the country. All current evidence suggests that many Muslim nations are thoroughly engaged in homosexual activity, even when those people might not be homosexuals. This is taken from "Islam's love-hate relationship with homosexuality" at <a href http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={DE9BC115-7388-46A3-8ED9-813BD71AEA25} </a> In Moslem nations, the suppression of liaison between men and women outside prearranged wedlock has produced frustrated sexual tension that has sought and found release in homosexual intercourse through the centuries. Those denied access to licit sexuality have sought and obtained outlets that have produced chronic contradiction between normative morality and social realities. Male and female prostitution and same-sex practices — including abuse of young boys by their older male relatives — have been rampant in Islamic societies from the medieval to the modern period. It should be emphasized that those societies stress a distinction between the sexual act itself, which was deemed acceptable, and emotional attachment, which was unpardonable:
“Sexual relations in Middle Eastern societies have historically articulated social hierarchies, that is, dominant and subordinate social positions: adult men on top; women, boys and slaves below (8).”
A Moslem who is the active partner in sexual relations with other men is not considered a “homosexual” (the word has no pre-modern Arabic equivalent); quite the contrary, his sexual domination of another man may even confer a status of hyper-masculinity. He may use other men as substitutes for women, and at the same time have great contempt for them. This depraved view of sex, common in mainstream Moslem societies, is commonly found in the West only in prisons. In all cases it is the presence of love, affection, or equality among sexual partners that is intolerable. Equality in sexual relations is unimaginable in Islam, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Sex in Islamic societies has never been about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male’s achievement of pleasure through domination.
Historically, this state of affairs was not concealed from Western observers who were fascinated, shocked, and often attracted by the outward appearances of rampant, barely concealed pederasty.
Conclusion: let the women fuck who they want, maybe there won't be so many homosexuals in Iran.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7579532 - 10/31/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know the discussion's a bit old, but I've had this information bookmarked for awhile with the intention of posting it, and it is useful info.
The synopsis is that no cases of execution for homosexuality have occured since Ahmadinejad became President in August 2005, and an official reaffirmation that Ahmadinejad's Columbia University comment was in fact a comparison is included.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Application_of_laws
According to The Boroumand Foundation, there are records of at least 107 executions with charges related to homosexuality between 1979 and 1990. According to Amnesty International, at least 5 people convicted of "homosexual tendencies", three men and two women, were executed in January 1990, as a result of the Iranian government's policy of calling for the execution of those who practice homosexuality. In April 1992, Dr. Ali Mozafarian, a Sunni Muslim leader in the Fars province (Southern Iran), was executed in Shiraz after being convicted on charges of espionage, adultery, and sodomy. His videotaped confession was broadcast on television in Shiraz and in the streets of Kazerun and Lar. On March 14, 1994, dissident writer Ali Akbar Saidi Sirjani was charged with offences ranging from espionage to homosexual improprieties. On November, 12 1995, by the verdict of the eighth judicial branch of Hamadan and the confirmation of the Supreme Court of Iran, Mehdi Barazandeh, otherwise known as Safa Ali Shah Hamadani, was condemned to death. The judicial authorities announced that Barazandeh's crimes were repeated acts of adultery and "the obscene act of sodomy." The court's decree was carried out by stoning Barazandeh. Barazandeh belonged to the Khaksarieh Sect of Dervishes. (Islamic Republic Newspaper - November 14th 1995 + reported in Homan's magazine June, 10 1996). The execution of Ali Sharifi was reported in Hamadan by the Washington Blade in 1998. Sharifi was hanged for having gay sex, adultery, drinking alcohol, and dealing drugs. In 2005, two Iranian teenagers, Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni, were both sentenced to death for what Iranian reports indicated was the rape of the thirteen-year old boy. However, some groups and activists, such as British activist Peter Tatchell, claimed based on incomplete press reports that they were executed for consensual gay sex. Human Rights Watch has noted that there is insufficient evidence to make a final determination in the case, but that no reliable reports suggest that the two were executed for consensual sex. Paula Ettelbrick, director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, said "It was not a gay case," taking issue with the Human Rights Campaign’s statement that was quick to condemn the execution as anti-gay. "We would welcome HRC’s involvement in demanding that our government speak out on human rights violations. It was just the wrong case,” she said.
It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. Accounts of the executions on gay news Web sites referenced reports by the group and its English language news site, www.iranfocus.com. (That's the same site where the "Wipe Israel off the map" line originated, and which has been posted about here)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA05294620071010
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran’s president was misrepresented by Western media when he was quoted saying there were no gays in Iran, and actually meant there were not so many as in the United States, a presidential aide said on Wednesday. “What Ahmadinejad said was not a political answer. He said that, compared to American society, we don’t have many homosexuals,” presidential media adviser Mohammad Kalhor said. Kalhor told Reuters that because of historical, religious and cultural differences homosexuality was less common in Iran and the Islamic world than in the West.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7580990 - 10/31/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You keep dancing around the fact that Ahmadinejad is the leader of a government that executes children.
Keep digging around for ways to defend him. If there is such a thing as karma, you'll share a ride with him some day.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7582802 - 11/01/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well if there's such a thing as karma, then you'll be condemned the first time you stand up for the facts. yourself. Condemning me because your case has been shot to hell is is just as bad as condemning kids for being homosexual.
What I'm doing is actually what is sometimes referred to as "facing the issue head on." You see, If a person's government (which would probably be defined by the government that exists while that person is in control) has in fact not executed any children, then "a government that executes children" really is not an applicable description, not even a little. And in order for Ahmadinejad to be a valid target of animosity in this matter, there has to be a connection of responsibility to him for the sentencing. As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case.
What is happening here, is that he hasn't executed any children, and so I'm saying it because even if it isn't the "right" thing to do in your eyes, it is still the truthful thing to do. And if he did execute them, I wouldn't have any trouble saying it because I'm not on a mission to defend him, merely to correct the lies you've pushed.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7582853 - 11/01/07 02:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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has in fact not executed any children

Yep, you got me. Those pics were photoshopped.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7582864 - 11/01/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, flowstone, you got yourself.
They were sentenced/executed March/July 2005, Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.
Also, concerning that case...
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Paula Ettelbrick, director of the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, said "It was not a gay case," taking issue with the Human Rights Campaign’s statement that was quick to condemn the execution as anti-gay. "We would welcome HRC’s involvement in demanding that our government speak out on human rights violations. It was just the wrong case,” she said.
Maybe things are clearer for you now, and hopefully you can understand why I've taken issue with your argument against Ahmadinejad on this subject.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7582875 - 11/01/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, concerning that case...
You're missing the point. Gay nor not, Iran hangs kids. How the fuck can you defend that?
They were executed March 2005, Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.
You can't really be so dense as to think that these types of atrocities have suddenly stopped now that Ahmadinejad is running the show. Then again, maybe you can be.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7583061 - 11/01/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, that has never been the point at all at any time in this thread, not even sort of. Instead of just saying "oops," you're trying to divert attention away from your mistake.
Since you've missed your own point, I'll remind you of it: Ahmadinejad is a monster who hangs kids for being gay. But as it turns out, they were not hanged for being gay, and neither was Ahmadinejad President when they were hanged.
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You can't really be so dense as to think that these types of atrocities have suddenly stopped now that Ahmadinejad is running the show.
"The last person known with reasonable certainty to have been sentenced to execution in Iran for consensual homosexual conduct was in March 2005"
Maybe you should write Reality a letter, telling it off for opposing the things you say. Don't expect too much to come of it tho.
Of course, I don't know how much credit I'd give to Ahmadinejad for the difference, just as I didn't attribute the sentencing to him in the first place, as Sharia law isn't his doing. But if you were holding Ahmadinejad responsible for them, as Iran's President, then you would likewise also have to associate the responsibility of their cessation to him.
Being willing to make up reasons to hate somebody isn't a desirable trait, you know.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7583255 - 11/01/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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But as it turns out, they were not hanged for being gay
They were according to the articles I quoted a few posts back. It's all over Google for fuck's sake. There are hundreds of articles all supporting this. You quote one lady, Paula Ettelbrick of IGLHRC refuting this and I can't even find an attribution for that quote anywhere on the IGLHRC web. And the reference (#12) in the Wiki link where you got this doesn't contain that quote. You wouldn't happen to have a link to the IGLHRC page where she says this would you?
Here are some of mine, all independent, credible sources supporting what I've said, and there are HUNDREDS more:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2943
http://www.omct.org/index.php?id=CHL&lang=eng&actualPageNumber=1&articleSet=Press&articleId=5630&PHPSESSID=54e75a87e3.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/07/21/912/61967
But they must be wrong. There are no gays in Iran. Your buddy said so. 
and neither was Ahmadinejad President when they were hanged.
He's president now, and the retarded fundamentalist Muslim laws that killed those kids are still in effect under his watch. And it is STILL HAPPENING. See below.
Ahmadinejad became President August 2005.
The following kids have been executed in Iran since then:
http://www.stopchildexecutions.com/minors_executed.aspx
Name unknown 12 September 2005 Rostam Tajik 10 December 2005 Majid Segound 13 May 2006 Sattar September 2006 Morteza M 7 November 2006 Naser Batmani December 2006 Mohammad Mousavi 22 April 2007 Saeed Kamberzai 28 May 2007
There are more, but since your friend the coward is afraid of the truth, his state-controlled media doesn't report on executions of children because the last time they did, the Iranian Parliament got really pissed off at them and told them they better not do it again.
According to Amnesty International, 20 kids have been executed in Iran since your buddy took over, TWO OF THEM THIS YEAR! Read the complete list at this link:
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-stats-eng
Here's a pic of the 17 year old tortured into confessing, then executed by your buddy's regime in May of THIS YEAR! Take a good look at him and tell me again how Iran doesn't execute kids:

The Amnesty International report on his execution is here:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130342007
Keep burying your head in the sand.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7583311 - 11/01/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to see stats on how many people in Iran were executed for becoming Christian
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: BrAiN]
#7584700 - 11/01/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it interesting when "progressive' folks defend Islam. WTF
On sharia law day they would be the first to be hung or their throat slit....
Its like they always want to be either slaves or slave masters.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
#7584862 - 11/01/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it should be quite clear by now that there is nothing "progressive" about EP. Nor is he/she peaceable. By the way, what gave liberal loons the right to be labeled progressive. I find them to be incredibly regressive in their thinking. They have failed to learn that socialism is a failure in spite of decades of evidence. Fantasists.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7585992 - 11/01/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're actually still going to argue that they were hanged for being gay? Talk about going two steps back... Last night you said it didn't matter, which was contradictory to your stance before that. So quite literally, two steps back... all because you're afraid to say "oops." Next time save the "dancing around" analogy for yourself.
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Diploid said: Here are some of mine, all independent, credible sources supporting what I've said
Lol, you used Iranfocus.com as a source, and it even says in its article that they were arrested for rape with a weapon. Take into account that this website was thoroughly discredited on the first page of this thread and you're either being a conniver or have no memory.
You next source contradicts your first and says this: "According to the information received from reliable sources [lol?], the sole reason for the hangings is their confessions, obtained through torture, that they were involved in homosexual sex." Now we know not to count your claims of "credible" sources as being credible.
Your third link has no information on their sentencing, but links to a personal blog in which the writer uses IranFocus.com as its source. Do you see the problem with using multiple "sources" that in fact just reference themselves? Their other source is the Gay Rights groups Outrage!, whose account and motives were contested on the first page of this thread.
Not really important, but this is what Wiki's notes concerning the Outrage! report: "However, some groups and activists, such as British activist Peter Tatchell (Outrage!), claimed based on incomplete press reports that they were executed for consensual gay sex." "Human Rights Watch has noted that there is insufficient evidence to make a final determination in the case, but that no reliable reports suggest that the two were executed for consensual sex."
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You quote one lady, Paula Ettelbrick of IGLHRC refuting this and I can't even find an attribution for that quote anywhere on the IGLHRC web. And the reference (#12) in the Wiki link where you got this doesn't contain that quote. You wouldn't happen to have a link to the IGLHRC page where she says this would you?
It's actually link [10] on Wiki. A google search also brings it up.
That relevant article (which appears on a pro-gay site) also says: "It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. Accounts of the executions on gay news Web sites referenced reports by the group and its English language news site, www.iranfocus.com" Do you remember about IranFocus this time around? You probably don't, so here's the link.
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But they must be wrong. There are no gays in Iran. Your buddy said so. 
You need to re-read this thread, or at least a few posts back. And in regards to what is being discussed here, it would not matter whether he said that or not, because the invalidity of your sources and argument doesn't rest in his comment at Columbia University, but rather in, well, the invalidity of your sources.
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The following kids have been executed in Iran since then:
http://www.stopchildexecutions.com/minors_executed.aspx
Name unknown 12 September 2005 Rostam Tajik 10 December 2005 Majid Segound 13 May 2006 Sattar September 2006 Morteza M 7 November 2006 Naser Batmani December 2006 Mohammad Mousavi 22 April 2007 Saeed Kamberzai 28 May 2007
Interestingly, 90% of these 17-and-ups were executed for murder. Not that that makes it right. Capitol punishment is equally barbaric at all times, regardless of age. The United States is very guilty in this regard. In fact, up until 2005, the United States was the world leader in the execution of child offenders. It was only in March 2005 that the US Supreme Court, declared the execution of juvenile offenders unconstitutional. However, according to Wiki, "State laws have not been updated to conform with this decision. Under the US system, unconstitutional laws do not need to be repealed, but are instead held to be unenforceable."
I assume you hold that all US Presidents who have presided during a time of child executions are monsters. Really tho, in Iran it isn't Ahmadinejad's call. It has to go through Parliament, then the Guardian Council. If it makes it this far, then Ahmadinejad has the chance to sign the bill.
Actually, a bill has recently been submitted to Iran's parliament to move the age at which the death sentence can be applied to someone to 18. Parliament passed an identical bill 3 or 4 years ago, but the Guardian Council rejected it. The Guardian Council is appointed by the Supreme Leader. Ahmadinejad can only sign a bill that is passed by both Parliament and the Guardian Council.
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According to Amnesty International, 20 kids have been executed in Iran since your buddy took over, TWO OF THEM THIS YEAR!
Ummm, according to your own link, Amnesty international, in reality, claims 24 executions of child offenders in Iran since 1990. So does Child Rights Information Network.
CRIN states a "notable decrease in juvenile executions" since 2005, which most probably refers to a decrease in sentencing of juveniles for execution.
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There are probably more, but since your friend the coward is afraid of the truth, his state-controlled media doesn't report these things because the last time they did, the Iranian Parliament got really pissed off at them and told them they better not do it again.
Your injection of drama and lies to your posts is slightly humorous, but overall, pathetic. No, they did not tell them they better not do it again, and no, Iran's Parliament did not "get really pissed off at them." The source for this is once again IranFocus.com, and even they don't say the same thing as you. Tell me where you got this "told them they better not do it again" part from, I'd like the laugh.
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tell me again how Iran doesn't execute kids
You're right, I shouldn't have commented on that since it wasn't the topic of discussion, altho the paragraph I said this in was tying it back to Ahmadinejad being responsible for hanging gays, as the conclusion shows: "As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case."
The only coward whose afraid of the truth that I see here is you.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7586063 - 11/01/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not that that makes it right.
BINGO! You're finally catching on. Your buddy's regime executes children. Dozens of them since he came to power according to Amnesty International.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7586326 - 11/02/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Perhaps you are really this unaware or forgetful, but the Death Sentence for minors or otherwise (which to me is the same thing), has never been the object of discussion, and if it had been we'd have never been discussing in the first place, because that conclusion is not contested by me.
Again, you lie with the Amnesty International stats - something you seem to be able to do far too easily - even increasing the claimed number from the last time. 9 youth offenders have been hanged since Ahmadinejad became President, however, most or all of these were sentenced before he was elected. You also connive by ignoring the fact, which has been pointed out, that the sentecing of minors is not in Ahmadinejad's hands, nor is the law that allows them to be sentenced. A bill to change this has been introduced, but must be passed by the Guardian Council, which is 100% out of Ahmadinejad's reach.
To bring this all home, Ahmadinejad said something that sparked a reaction at Columbia University, which he was visiting to promote discussion between his country and the US amidst concerns over Iran's nuclear program. Regarding his comment, I pointed out what was later confirmed to be his intended message, but not before Diploid brought up a case meant to do nothing other than vilify Ahmadinejad with sentiments fitting of a witch hunt. As it turned out, the case was not at all what it was originally presented as to be here in this thread. Much later, as an interesting addition, I provided information that says no gays have been executed since Ahmadinejad's Presidency, which should have helped separate the supposed Ahmadinejad/gay-execution-in-Iran connection, and whatever hatred that connection was used as a tool to bolster. But this only made Diploid condemn me equally with Ahmadinejad for not simply choosing to hate the people he hates, a practice which I find as immoral as execution. After the usual refinement of bad-information the topic is suddenly supposed to have changed into whether execution is moral (an issue entirely unrelated to Ahmadinejad or homosexuals)? If we want to discuss that, we could discuss it concerning the US or one of many other countries who still practice this savage and unintelligent act. If you want to narrow it down to the execution of minors, which really is no different, then we can still discuss it concerning the US, as they have the ugliest record of this practice (in 2002 there were 80 juveniles on Death Row). But either way, this isn't the thread for it, and that isn't a subject that's holds any relevance to Ahmadinejad's comment, whether he is a monster, or homosexual persecution in Iran.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7586348 - 11/02/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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however, most or all of these were sentenced before he was elected.
A while back you said no children were executed on your buddy's watch. Now you backpedal and it's "most".
And you call ME a liar?
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7586404 - 11/02/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I said was:
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You're right, I shouldn't have commented on that since it wasn't the topic of discussion, altho the paragraph I said this in was tying it back to Ahmadinejad being responsible for hanging gays, as the conclusion shows: "As he has been responsible for no gay child's execution, you're making a pretty flimsy case."
Also, "Most kids" isn't a backpedal from "No kids." These two sentences are in fact dealing with two different subjects. The "No kids" refers to homosexuals who've been executed under Ahmadinejad, of which there have been none. The "Most kids" refers to those who have nothing to do with the homosexual issue in Iran, and was a sidetract from the discussion. However, this comment refers to the fact that, of those nine 17 year olds who were hanged since 2005, most or all of them were sentenced before Ahmadinejad became President, and so are unrelated to him.
To get further into it, the Supreme Leader of Iran appoints the head of Judiciary, who then appoints the rest. Again, Ahmadinejad is not responsible for any of their rulings, and cannot appeal them.
Yes, you have lied, adding your own phrases to the articles you bring, posting largely to trigger a sentimental response of moral indignation in people against your target rather than to cause them to think and analyze. While hyping, you've severely lacked comprehension of what certain data concludes, and have not followed an appropriate path of discussion, switching topics which aren't related while arguing the same sentiments - which shows an underdevelopped ability to separate issues in your mind such as: Kids were executed in Iran = Ahmadinejad's a monster or: Disco Cat is refuting Ahmadinejad had gay kids executed in Iran = Disco Cat bad These aren't rational thought proccess because the former doesn't equal the latter. A separation of the issues is needed.
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