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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
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Ahmadinejad is playing all these people like a deck of cards, and its all bullshit propaganda back in forth, and the media is constantly rolling this war drumbeat here in the US, and in Iran just the same is feeding off this very propaganda, boosting Ahmadinejad's support by legitimizing the fears of the Iranian people of a US invasion.
This is battle lines being drawn, and Iran and Syria have been funding guerrilla operations through-out and beyond the mid-east. They have funded Hezbollah with numerous high tech weaponry building a quasi-state in Lebanon to overthrow the government.
Syria and Iran are cutting a supply route through Iraq to fund these very militias to destabalize other middle eastern countries by trying to forment shiia revolutions, Iran is a dangerous unpredictable country. Why else would the Americans be supplementing these gulf countries with so many arms. Sparking a massive arms race is not a way of approaching peace.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/21/ww.armsrace/
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Saber-rattling in the Middle East has been growing, with Israeli air strikes over Syria at the beginning of the month and France's Foreign Minister talking of war with Iran, but behind the scenes there are fears of a new arms race in the region.
In a deal announced this week, Saudi Arabia has agreed to buy 72 Eurofighter Typhoon jets from Europe's largest defense company, BAE Systems worth almost $9 billion. A boon for the company, especially given that a previous major deal is under investigation for allegations of corruption.
Hailed by the UK ministry of defense as a "new chapter" in cooperation with Saudi Arabia, the contract will be called "Project Salam," meaning "peace." It is also a new chapter that will see much more military hardware entering the region and one that ratchets up current tensions and divisions between Sunni-dominated states, such as Saudi Arabia, and Shiite Iran.
Larger deals between governments have been taking place. In August this year, the U.S. agreed to provide Israel with $30 billion in military aid over the next ten years.
Another agreement that is currently awaiting approval by the U.S. Congress would see a further $20 billion in military aid go to Saudi Arabia and other weapons deals to UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman, plus a further $13 billion to Egypt.
CNN's senior international correspondent Nic Robertson believes it's a move that shores up the U.S. allies in the region in uncertain times. However it does little to ease the simmering international tensions between the west and the focus of its ire, Iran.
In a statement issued after the $20 billion deal to the Gulf states was announced in July, U.S. State Department Spokesman Tom Casey defended the deals as a means for its allies to defend themselves against threats from Iran and Syria.
"The Typhoon jet now has air-to-ground capabilities, which if they were to be used against Iranian nuclear facilities, would be effective, so I think that is the backdrop to that deal," Christopher Pang, Head, Middle East & North Africa Program at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies, told CNN.
Others see it as part of an attempt to create rival blocs in the region. Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini responded to the arms deal to Saudi Arabia a "horror scenario" that was aimed at dividing the region.
CNN's Nic Robertson believes that while arms sales to the region by the UK and U.S. are far from new, their timing and the current situation in the Middle East do increase fears from many quarters and the possibility of military action.
"Despite their own bi-lateral agreements with Iran, there is a mood within Saudi Arabia that it would not mind the U.S. and Israel striking some form of blow against Iran. In the Sunni dominated country, there are fears of a Shia crescent emerging in the region and popular opinion is that Iranian expansion cannot be tolerated," said Robertson.
While the U.S. would like Saudi Arabia to be a buffer to Iran's growing influence, Robertson believes the kingdom's immediate focus is currently on internal threats to its infrastructure and oil refineries from Al-Qaeda.
"The deals also do nothing to deter Iran from its perceived right to nuclear capability, but makes it more determined," said Pang.
"They've come at the first signs of U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, which is causing the greatest fears over security. This is a way for the U.S. to say to its regional allies, 'We're not going to leave you high and dry' in the face of growing Iranian aggression," said Pang.
The potential for unease remains, even between those countries that have benefited from the U.S.'s largesse and current round of deals. Fears have been expressed by Israel at the Saudi acquisition of "jdam" satellite guided missiles, bringing the Saudis closer to parity when it comes to the hi-tech weaponry in their arsenal.
At a recent hearing by the U.S. House Foreign Affairs sub-committee on the $20 billion deal to Saudi Arabia, concerns were raised over just how much the sale of missiles to Middle Eastern states guarantees their recipients stability and counters Iran's hard-line policies.
Military aid and weapons deals in tacit exchange for support do not always guarantee stability and influence; weapons sold by the U.S. to Iran before the 1979 revolution and later to Saddam Hussein's regime were used for means other than upholding democracy.
Pang however thinks that the likelihood of any "blowback" -- weapons being used against friendly states - is remote.
"Saudi Arabia, maybe not explicitly, has always indicated that its main threat is not Israel, but Iran's growing power in the region," says Pang.
Beyond the immediate deals is the larger question of just how effective the sale of fighter planes are in countering threats that operate within states. Sectarian violence in Iraq and attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon show that the balance of power in the region is affected by more than national armies.
"There is a feeling among Hamas is that Iran will be attacked by the U.S. and Israel," says Robertson, and the consequences could be Iran retaliating by using its allies, Hamas and Syria.
"One theory goes that if you give states, like Israel, satellite-guided missiles they have the ability to counter Iran's nuclear threat, so can then spend more time focusing on asymmetric threats like Hezbollah and Hamas. You may or may not find that convincing," said Pang.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7450651 - 09/25/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"I am hopeful that just as the Palestinian nation continued its struggle for the past ten years, it will continue to maintain its awareness and vigilance. This phase is going to be short-lived. If we put it behind us successfully, God willing, it will pave the way for the annihilation of the Zionist regime and it will be a downhill route. "
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4164
Here is a transcript of a speech in which he clearly wants the annihilation of Israel given at the World Without Zionism Conference
But by all means, go on and be coy and cute by changing the meaning of his words if thats your bag.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7451195 - 09/25/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Disco Cat said: Who cares? I only talked about whether it was a laughable statement in view of his culture vs US'. And you should have typed instead because of said comparative lack of homosexuals.
Precisely, comparative lack of homosexuals due to Iranian persecution of homosexuality; which, interestingly enough, is what the question pertained to. He also followed the statement "like in America" with " In Iran we don’t have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it.". The phenomenon in question, of course, being that of homosexuality, in general.
The conclusion that he stated that Iranian does not have the phenomenon of homosexuality is an entirely reasonable one. The reference to America was not saying that America has homosexuality differently - homosexuality is homosexuality. He was saying that America has sexuality, whereas Iran does not.
So, clearly, it is laughable, considering how homosexuality is a phenomenon apparent in Iranian culture, despite Iranian attempts at persecuting homosexuals.
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Obviously. Do some homework. To give you a nudge in the right direction, here is the exact quote: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."
It is interesting that the Iranian news source would perpetuate a clear mistranslation like that.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
#7452544 - 09/25/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obviously you guys are plain dull, or want to play the fool.
TheCow clearly doesn't know what Zionism is and thought that by calling for its abolishment Ahmadinejad was calling for Israeli anihilation.
fireworks_god clearly enjoys living in denial and even when given Ahmadinejad's exact (please see exact in the dictionary for further clarification) farsi words still can't think past this intentionally wrongful English translation, and I guess isn't sensible enough to figure out the possibilites of a Google + Ahmadinejad's words combination.
And NO that link is not an Iranian news outlet, it is an English translation made by, and provided on, an extremely biased website run by a third party outside of Iran (London, to be exact), of a news article that was originally reported by Iran's ISNA and which can be viewed here.
I doubt it's stupidity that keeps you from noticing this, so why?
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7453282 - 09/25/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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you are an idiot
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Locus]
#7453303 - 09/25/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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...Said the idiot.
Nice, but do you have an actual worthwhile thought passing through your head? If so, let's hear it, try and squeeze it out. What topic is your brain fart even in regards to?
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Locus]
#7453356 - 09/25/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Locus, calling another member an idiot is flaming, and violates forum rules. This is your official warning. Next violation will result in a ban.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: TheCow]
#7454392 - 09/26/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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IranFocus.com, is owned and operated by Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri, a member of MKO (Moshood Kashimawo Olawale Abiola [The People's Mujahedin of Iran]), which is an Islamic Socialist organization that advocates the overthrow of Iran's current government.
"The PMOI (MKO) is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, European Union, and Iran." -(wikipedia)
Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri also has a personal grudge against Iran's government, claiming they killed his father.
Looking at the date of the article on IranFocus.com it seems clear that they are the originators of the intentionally misleading line "wiped off the map." That's an important piece of information right there.
I know the issue of the validity of the line "wiped off the map" should already be long over, understood to be lying propaganda, but some of you guys can be pretty stubborn against facing the facts. I don't know if it's a pride thing, a living in the US thing, or an intelligence thing, but it has to stop, lest another "Iraq" or "Bush" happens.
I've also come across this informative article, written only 2 months before the "wiped off the map" line came out, that points out IranFocus.com to be a pure propaganda site.
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MadeUpStories.com - The MKO propaganda machine
August 1, 2005 iranian.com
Over the past few years, influential officials in the American government have utilized information received by news agencies associated with the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO) in order to persuade the American government that Iran poses a security threat to American interests. The end sum of these objectives is to force a military confrontation between the two governments, wherein MKO confidants and proxy organizations would replace existing political structures in Iran.
In order to accomplish this task the MKO is engaged in an intensive campaign to force governments to remove their terrorist label in order to gain both political influence and financial access to their frozen funds. Part of this agenda is the creation of various websites, which disseminate propaganda favorable to the MKO. In whole there are two messages sent by MKO proxy sites:
1) The Iranian government is in a constant state of war with America, and it will take any opportunity to launch an attack against the US; and,
2) The MKO and associated political bodies, are legitimate opposition movements, as opposed to a terrorist group, and the "democratic alternative" to the Iranian regime.
Instrumental to MKO’s propaganda campaign, are websites which serve as "news agencies" with ties to the MKO. Iranfocus.com, Iranterror.com and various other websites continue to relay information with questionable validity while exporting MKO propaganda, such as advocating the MKO as Iran’s only legitimate democratic alternative. Information from these sites are distributed on major online news sources, such as Google news. As such, these websites, which are actually vehicle of political propaganda for a terrorist organization, are mistaken as legitimate news sources with viable information
Evidence of these effects can already be seen by the MKO’s effectiveness in persuading mass news agencies to publish stories advocating that newly elected President Ahmadinejad was pictured directly involved in the 1979 hostage. A picture of a lean bearded Iranian holding a hostage was shown on the website Iranfocus.net, a "news" agency with ties to the MKO, to depict Ahmadinejad’s involvement. Although the allegations were quashed less than a week later (the man pictured was identified as Taghi Mohammadi), the public attention it was able to garner forced the Bush administration to establish a commission evaluating Ahmadinejad’s role in the hostage crisis.
That being said there's a variety of reasons to view the MKO news agencies and similar modules as instruments of propaganda as opposed to instruments of news.
First, the organization is a terrorist group under both US and European law. The State Department continues to list the MKO as a terrorist group. Although MKO agents have claimed that the inclusion was part of Clinton's appeal to the reformist government in Iran, the argument is no longer cogent in light of the fact that during Bush's 5 years in office he has yet to remove the MKO as a terrorist group despite significant political pressure by various neo-conservatives (this includes Daniel Pipes who currently has a chair with the US Institute of Peace) and Republican representatives.
Not only were the MKO re-designated as a terrorist group under executive order by Bush on November 2, 2001, but the President used the MKO as an example of Saddam’s support for terrorism during the drive up to the Iraqi war when stating: "Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians."
Second, the MKO proganda sites continuously misinform the public about events and issues in Iran. For example, both Iranfocus.com and Iranterror.com have stated that no Mojahedin member has targeted Americans or Europeans figures during acts of terrorism. These arguments are clearly false in light of the following:
- In 1973, the MKO assassinated Lt. Col. Lewis Hawkins, a U.S. military advisor in Iran.
- In 1975, MKO members shot and killed two U.S. Air force officers in Tehran and attacked a U.S. Embassy van in Tehran resulted in the death of a local employee.
- In 1976, the MKO assassinated three American employees of Rockwell International working in Iran.
- In 1979, the MKO openly supported the holding of US hostages until 1981 when they began directing their attention to Khomeini.
Evidence of MKO propaganda in Iran Focus is also apparent when we compare their report to a report by the Washington Times concerning a recent MKO event. An Iran Focus report indicates that there were thousands of participants, while the Times only reports 300. Similarly, when reporting on a MKO protest in Berlin, Iran Focus reported that over 40,000 participants were in attendance. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, the MKO only has 10,000 members and supporters worldwide.
Lastly, no terrorist organization should be excused for murders committed or tolerated under their authority. MKO leaders were directly engaged in past abuses against American soldiers and citizens during the late 1980s and Iranian citizens and officials in the 1990s. We would never expect the American government to excuse Osama bin Laden 30 years after 9/11 for not engaging in any further attacks against Americans, nor should such immunity be given to MKO officials.
There is no statute of limitations against murderers or conspirators to murder, nor is there one for terrorists and those who conspire with terrorists. Even were it that the MKO reserved its terrorist attacks for Iranian rather than American or British targets it is important to remember that terrorism anywhere is terrorism everywhere regardless of our relationship with its targets.
Using propaganda by a terrorist group, which is distrusted by Iranians everywhere because of their cooperation with Saddam Hussein’s regime during the Iran-Iraq war, does not more to benefit the Iranian government rather then its true democratic opposition. In particular, if American officials lend an ear to the MKO, the Iranian government will use this relationship as a method to create anti-US sentiment in Iran.
Iranfocus.com and Iranterror.com should not be used as a source of "alternative information." There's nothing "alternative" about propaganda, regardless if it addresses the same human rights issues which most Iranians are concerned with for "the most dangerous untruths are truths slightly distorted."
One should finally note that opposition to the MKO, or hardline monarchists, does not brand one as an apologist or IRI-supporter. As Congressman Bob Ney rightfully stated, "Opposition to the Mojahedin is not the same as support for the regime in Iran." Rather this opposition to the MKO is based on sincere concerns that political propaganda is being utilized by one organization in order to defeat the internal movement for democracy and human rights. Democracy in Iran should be based on truth, justice and reconciliation, not fabrications and exaggeration by terrorist organizations.
About: Nema Milaninia is a law student in Southern California and owner of the weblog Iranian Truth.
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I dedicate this post to all the poor souls who cry "idiot" when faced with reality. May they one day pull their heads out of the sand and see.
Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 03:41 AM)
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7454445 - 09/26/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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After all, it probably isn't an accepted lifestyle in Iran, and so according to his best knowledge there would be no gays in Iran.
Yeah, and there are no oppressed women in Iran either. I mean, sure, uppity women get 10 lashes of the whip and three years in prison, but hey, they clearly deserve it.
I know this because whip lashing, beheading, and stoning women for saying the wrong thing is an accepted lifestyle in Iran.
So yeah, there are no oppressed women in Iran.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7454451 - 09/26/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This 16 year old gay Iranian kid was hanged by Ahmadinejad's regime. He was imprisoned for over a year, tortured to get a confession, and lashed with a whip over 200 times first. Let's all keep defending this monster.

In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.
Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran “Homosexuality is illegal, those charged are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.
According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. Last August, a 16 year old girl was hanged for 'acts incompatible with chastity.'
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7454474 - 09/26/07 05:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's pretty sick and barbaric, and there is really no reasonable explanation for that whatsoever. I can't even think of an analogy in the US.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
#7456488 - 09/26/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: This 16 year old gay Iranian kid was hanged by Ahmadinejad's regime. He was imprisoned for over a year, tortured to get a confession, and lashed with a whip over 200 times first. Let's all keep defending this monster.

In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.
Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran “Homosexuality is illegal, those charged are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.
According to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. Last August, a 16 year old girl was hanged for 'acts incompatible with chastity.'
about.com
WRONG
Those two teenager was hanged for raping a younger boy, aged 8, I believe.
Let's all keep reciting propaganda that's been spread around.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: kotik]
#7456568 - 09/26/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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kotik said: that's pretty sick and barbaric, and there is really no reasonable explanation for that whatsoever. I can't even think of an analogy in the US.
Ignoring the fact that they weren't hanged for homosexuality, but rape, AND ignoring the fact that they were never tortured to confess * ... I can think of a perfect analogy for their anti-gay understanding. 30 years ago homosexuality in the US was labelled a disease. Just 15 years ago, in the US and Canada, homosexuality was nowhere near as socially acceptable as it is today. To laugh at Ahmadinejad's words is to be blind to our own nations' recent attitudes (which still continues among political leaders), and to be hypocritical. In essence, I think it's very stupid, and an emotional, rather than intellectual, reaction.
* Outrage, the Gay Rights group merely added "probably under torture" to their demonifying synopsis and Diploid presented it as if fact.
By the way, Diploid picked up this information from About.com, while it originally came from a UK website called Outrage.com, which is a gay rights site, belonging to the gay rights pressure group Outrage!.
They weren't hanged for homosexuality (they were hanged for rape), and no torture happened.
Look and the propaganda fly. Diploid quoted a gay rights group's propaganda, and added his own to it by stating that they were tortured as a fact.
You guy need better research and integrity standards, otherwise this forum with be nothing more than a brainwashing station.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7456606 - 09/26/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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...the boys were arrested about a year and couple of months before the execution. On the day of their arrest, five boys were fondling each other in a semi-public area. Their ages were 13, 14, 15, 15 (Mahmoud), and 17 (Ayaz). These are all boys that knew each other, and had homosexual relations with each other (perhaps for years).
“A woman called her civilian police husband who then tried to arrest them all (with the help of civilians), but only Ayaz, Mahmoud and a 13 year old boy were caught.
“Because the age of consent for men in Iran is 15, the 13 year old boy is automatically then classified raped by then 15 year old Mahmoud and 17 year old Ayaz. So, in the eyes of the Iranian law, that boy was raped. Whether the other boys were a few years older or not is not even a question, not to mention whether he (the 13 year old) was a willing participant. Because the issue is homosexuality, it even carries a harsher sentence.
The father of the 13 year old boy claimed his son was raped because in the conservative society of Iran it is much better to have a heterosexual raped son than a homosexual willing participant. Everyone and anyone from the east can identify with this.
Concerning their crimes: at first it was claimed that they committed one rape and were child molesters, then that they had committed several rapes. By the autumn of 2005, the supporters of the regime were spreading rumours that they were serial child killers.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Diploid]
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So you realize that you've now indicted the civillians of Iran, and freed Ahmadinejad from blame? Why did you place the blame on their President when clearly this was the orchestration of the populace? I guess that makes the common people of Iran monsets instead now.
And so in the end, they were hanged for multiple accounts of rape and child molestation. Did whoever dictated their sentence know these were false allegations? I don't know, neither do you... but false sentences get carried out in the US too, you know.
So in the end, this is a shitty situation, and one that has nothing to do with Ahmadinejad.
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: lonestar2004]
#7457379 - 09/26/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol that sounds like a childish insult or something.
Can't believe he even said that.
"well at least in iran we dont have queers like america does!!!"
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: aDoS]
#7457460 - 09/26/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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He didn't say that, where the hell did you read that?
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: fireworks_god]
#7457535 - 09/26/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
Precisely, comparative lack of homosexuals due to Iranian persecution of homosexuality; which, interestingly enough, is what the question pertained to. He also followed the statement "like in America" with " In Iran we don’t have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it.". The phenomenon in question, of course, being that of homosexuality, in general.
The conclusion that he stated that Iranian does not have the phenomenon of homosexuality is an entirely reasonable one. The reference to America was not saying that America has homosexuality differently - homosexuality is homosexuality. He was saying that America has sexuality, whereas Iran does not.
So, clearly, it is laughable, considering how homosexuality is a phenomenon apparent in Iranian culture, despite Iranian attempts at persecuting homosexuals.
"An Iranian official later told CNN Ahmadinejad meant to say Iran simply doesn't have as many homosexuals as there are in the United States" - CNN
I'm seeing a pattern here, with my application of reasoning and logical thought providing accurate conclusions.
Edited by Disco Cat (09/26/07 09:11 PM)
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Re: Iranian President Denies Existence Of Homos In Iran [Re: Disco Cat]
#7457634 - 09/26/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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he didn't say that...i was exaggerating
-------------------- "If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
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