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Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ?
    #7447836 - 09/24/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have been using Coir for a couple of months now... and I must say... its a GREAT substrate!
Especially for those who want to pasteurize at home and do not want a funky/shitty smell infiltrating your home..

My only complaint is that after massive first flushes... the coir substrate becomes extremely dry...

Does anybody dunk there Coir substrate after the first flush?
And if so... how & for how long?

I would like to avoid dunking the coir substrate and having to place it in a frige for 12-24 hours...

I was wondering if good second flushes were possible if you dunk the coir substrate after first flush and let it sit for 1/2 hour - 1 hour or so then drain it... without having to put it in the frige..
Or maybe even let it sit for a couple of mins.. then draining it

Also... I was even cogitating to use a needle to directly inject water into substrate.....

well what do you think?

your inputs are much appreciated....

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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7447852 - 09/24/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if a "couple of minutes" is going to do much but a couple of hours will. You could fill the tray in the sink and let the water slowly run into it for a few hours. Or if you're really pressed for space you could just soak at room temp where ever. Overnight in the fridge is great but not completely necessary.


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: cbiegel]
    #7447895 - 09/24/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You'll probably find that adding a small amount of vermiculite (something around 20% by volume) to your coir, assuming you're using straight coir as your substrate, will help prevent so much water from being lost during the first flush.

That being said, a casing dunk should be nothing more than slowly filling the tray up (along the edge of the tray) until the "cake" begins to float. Be careful not to break the "cake" during this or the draining process if at all possible. Let it sit there for a couple hours and drain.

Unless you're going to follow one of the "drunk and scrape" techniques (which I do not) I would avoid getting the top of the cake wet as you're casing layer is up there and soaking it can slow things down as the mycelium attempts to recover.


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7447918 - 09/24/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I used to rehydrate all my bulk subs (coir/manure mixes too) by submerging in water for an hour or two at room temp. Works great. Skip the fridge, think of all the floating nasties you are exposing it to in the refrigerator environment, are you really getting a leg up by using the fridge? Nope. Just dunk and put it back.


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: Holydiver]
    #7447996 - 09/24/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I used to rehydrate all my bulk subs (coir/manure mixes too) by submerging in water for an hour or two at room temp.  Works great.  Skip the fridge, think of all the floating nasties you are exposing it to in the refrigerator environment, are you really getting a leg up by using the fridge? Nope.  Just dunk and put it back.




thats more on the lines of what I was thinking :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7448013 - 09/24/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

after you dunk do you recase? i'm thinking about a monotub of popcorn/coir/coffee and not casing for the first flush, but then casing with peat or verm for other flushes.


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: Iolaa]
    #7448063 - 09/24/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I would case before first flush only, right before FC
I never even heard of doing it at any other time :confused:


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #7451062 - 09/25/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

When I have used coir, I have submerged the substrate completely in its fruiting tub with some sort of weight on top to keep it from floating. I do this for ~12 hours, drain, and throw it back in the greenhouse. No need to reapply additional casing material. This has always worked great for me.


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: tonyperez420]
    #16643016 - 08/04/12 02:03 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm also curious about this, I wanted to know if you could spray the coir casing with steril water a few times. 

Other than that question I have a proposal; how about putting a few gallons of steril water in ther refrigerator and then pouring them over the brick of substrate until it floats, (I have 1/4" chicken wire I would cut the size of the substrate and then put a brick on top.
thats My Common Sense approach, Anything Wrong With this Technique?... four year old post people???  lol    Tanks..


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: evjldeftone]
    #16643044 - 08/04/12 02:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

generally you don't need to rehydrate a casing until you harvest, which spraying it worked for me... and you second question i don't understand, it seems more difficult to do it that way... if you have going to cut the brick and hydrate just figure you will use a faction of water (ie if you use half a brick use have a gallon of water)


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Re: Experienced Coir Growers..... Rehydrating Coir ? [Re: evjldeftone]
    #16643048 - 08/04/12 02:20 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

In my experience with coir, you can rehydrate by almost any ways which you prefer.

I've tried putting a few quarts of water in the tub for a few hours, then drain out. Worked pretty good actually.

Most of the time though, I don't bother to dunk. All I do is after the first flush, put a thin layer of verm on top and mist the fuck out of it for the next few days.
Works pretty damned good.

I've even dunked them in a 5 gallon bucket of cold water for 24hrs and birthed as caked, dunk/roll and in SGFC, works great to get the 2nd and 3rd flush out of it while you spawn new tubs.

evjdeftone: Thats way over the top man... no need for sterile water. Tap water will work fine. Chicken wire? just put something heavy on it that will sink. I use a pyrex dish.

Edit: I'm really high and may have misunderstood. If it's about maintaining moisture during fruiting, and not between flushes, then just mist the thing.


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