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juende
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1 pint jars for the pftek?
#7447393 - 09/24/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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been out of the research game for a while. so heres a what if question. what if someone had 1 pint jars to use for the pftek, followed the same substrate formula, one part brown rice, one part water, two parts vermiculite. after inoculation and incubation would you birth the big 1 pint cakes or cut them in half? has anyone ever tried this? or foresee any problems with doing this? i've looked through the boards a bit but i've havent been around and theres a shit load to read up on thanks my cubie friends
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: juende]
#7447408 - 09/24/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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colonizing 1/2 pints is SOOOO SLOOOOWWWWWWW. I cant stand it, now double that i supose.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: rodfarva]
#7447411 - 09/24/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rye or WBS
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: juende]
#7447416 - 09/24/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this has been done before.
The only problems that i can think of is colinisation will take much longer and i think there would be a higher chance of colinisation stalled due to carbon build up. Also remember that u want mycelium to colinise as quick as possible so that if any contam does manage to get in it cant get a hold of the substrate and the mycelium can fight it.
I have a drinking glass that is inbetween 1/2 and 1 pint and it took a lot longer to colinise (its almost done took about a month).
Birthing would be just as normal. No need to cut in half.
The formula should be the same, just make more (twice as much per pint jar as 1/2 pint formula) If growth does stall then u could try turning the jar upside down (although weather it actually helps is debatable)
You would probably be better of just making twice as many 1/2 pint cakes. Or move onto grains and do grain to grain transers and casings
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7447541 - 09/24/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah i think that its time to up my research to some casing and one day to grains.in due time ;-) so make 6 jars for cakes and casing each might be the next step. as for speedy colonization once there is a good amount of growth going on i'd put a square of tvek on the canning jars lids and it does well.
and i'd prolly double the amount of spores.... its still in the beginnings of it so all you cool kids will be updated :-)
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7447554 - 09/24/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Or move onto grains and do grain to grain transers and casings
Once you go with grain, you'll never go back to BRF and verm. I swear it's magical! 3 days after a G2G transfer and your jars are 25% or more colonized. I can't believe I wasted so much time on BRF and Verm cakes. Actually, I shouldn't say that. If it wasn't fro the PF tek I probably wouldn't have ever produced my first shroom. LOL! My how we grow in our hobby.
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Another problem with bigger cakes (pints etc) is that they can sometimes start pinning at the top well before the bottom is fully colonized.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: juende]
#7447868 - 09/24/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just finished my first grow of 1 pint pf tek jars. It works, main thing for me is contams, you run a much higher risk for contams considering the sheer surface area and mass of the substrate. They took like 45-55 days to colonize and i didn't cut them in half. They yielded much more than what people say for half pints. Don't cut them in half if you birth em just dunk and roll then stick em in they'll fruit prolifically. Definitely long colonization times, in the end id recommend just doing half pints, but if all you have is pints go for it they're just a bit more difficult. Good luck man.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: juende]
#7447878 - 09/24/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you don't have a PC, and can't do...or don't want to do grain...
...use an LC, make sure the PF substrate is light and airy, and then use enough LC to drizzle all the way to the bottom without forming any kind of pool at the bottom.
You can get colonization in under 14 days.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: RoachMan]
#7447922 - 09/24/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm gonna have to check out this LC stuff. but next time around. i'm in the midst of moving so a long colo time wont be too much of an hassle. but 50 days?! damn. yeah all i have are pints for now. there was a lil mishap with the half pints. i guess it'll be an experiment for me. prolly put up a grow log if anything special is done. and hope to grow with this hobby :-P
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: juende]
#8383190 - 05/09/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have the same problem. All I can get a hold of right now is 1 pints. Couldn't you just put less in the jar, and then put a thicker top layer of verm? Of course, you would want to make sure your syringe would reach the bottom layer. Should I try this?
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: WHATTHE]
#8383573 - 05/09/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've used 1 pint jars, just make sure you don't pack down your substrate and they'll probably turn out fine.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: WHATTHE]
#8383903 - 05/10/08 12:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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WHATTHE said: I have the same problem. All I can get a hold of right now is 1 pints. Couldn't you just put less in the jar, and then put a thicker top layer of verm? Of course, you would want to make sure your syringe would reach the bottom layer. Should I try this?
you bumped a really old thread.. no, just do it the way that is recomended or you will have some problems.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: rodfarva]
#8383957 - 05/10/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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^^^ disagree
1 pt is fine for BRF cakes. But that's just about as big as you'll want to go.
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pftek? [Re: obscured]
#8384284 - 05/10/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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just get the half pint ones from walmart. 7$ for 12
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Re: 1 pint jars for the pf tek? [Re: juende]
#8384420 - 05/10/08 04:45 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am currently trying to colonize different sized containers for PF-tek cakes.
I have used some 1/4 pint glasses, 1/2 pint glasses and a 3 pint bowl(big 1s a bit of fun). The 1/4 pint jars fully colonized within a week, the 1/2 pint jars are almost fully colonized this has taken 2 weeks, and the big bowl has only about 1/2 glass colonized. I think CO2 is gathering at the bottom of the bowl so i have turned it upside down. I put a proportional amount of spores into all of these to make it a fair test.
I am looking forward to fruiting, expecting larger yields from the larger cakes but who knows!
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