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BirdsIView
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#7445058 - 09/23/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found these in grass at a park in Bay area.
This first group I found around a tree, most are the same species and then there's what seems to me to be some pan subbs.? Spores are attached. Spore print is tannish, about the same color of the mushroom itself.
[image] [/image] [image] [/image] spore print:
[image] [/image] Here's a picture of the smaller mushroom I found [image] [/image]
A lot of these next ones (and the last one) have a sparkle to them, when I move it in the light it seems like there's glitter on it almost.
Here's the ones I found on the other side of the field. None were in patches, just found them one by one.
Spore prints are all black but waiting on better one's since my camera sucks.
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MarleryCatooOO
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Your gunna have to give us better information, and pan subbs have a jet black spore print. you dont seem to have any.
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FatBluntz
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no subbs, couple foes
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BirdsIView
Mr. Helms

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Ok, what other information? I'm not good at saying what they smell like. Size ranges, the first group have about a 4 inch long stem and half dollar to about a penny sized caps. The spore prints are black, I'm not sure that you could call them jet black though.
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Alan Rockefeller
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I am going to have to call Psathyrella on the first ones. They look quite a bit like Conocybe as well though. I recommend letting the spore print go longer, you'll get a better color from a darker print.
Some of the others do look like Panaeolina foenisecii.
You should spore print them all overnight right next to each other so it is easy to compare colors the next morning.
If you keep looking you will come across some Panaeolus subbalteatus this time of year. I can't tell if you have found any yet or not.
If your camera has macro mode, use it!
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BirdsIView
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Thanks a lot Rockefeller. I am working on spore prints for both and I'm trying to send the original pictures that I took with my phone right after picking the possible foenisecii's to my photobucket. First time trying that but they are very good pictures IMO, and they had a LOT more color then and now they have turned to a brown. For the spore print I have the foenisecii's under a wet wine glass and the psathyrella I just have sitting in my drawer. One I checked and shows a much darker spore print which I'll get a picture of soon. Macro mode... I'm using a canon, do they have that mode? What sign is it that represents it? It seems like I got better pictures when I used the flower icon and I also realized that pointing the flash away from the shrooms gives much better results (used that technique for the last 3).
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Alan Rockefeller
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> One I checked and shows a much darker spore print which I'll get a picture of soon.
Both Pan. foenisecii and Psathyrella will have dark brown spore prints. Different shade though.
> I'm using a canon, do they have that mode?
Absolutely. It is the little flower. Use it every time you take a picture of something that is less than 24 inches away.
> It seems like I got better pictures when I used the flower icon
No doubt. : )
> I also realized that pointing the flash away from the shrooms gives much better results
The flash is a mixed blessing. Sometimes it really helps, other times it will overexpose your shot. The flash will work best on mushrooms when the little flower is on - It turns down the amount of light it collects significantly when it knows that the flash will be right next to the object you are photographing.
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BirdsIView
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Thanks a lot for the info. The possible foeniscii's that I have just sitting around (not under wine glass, haven't checked those yet) have a very light black spore print while the psathyrella's give off a tan print, very much like the color of the caps just a little darker. I'm leaving a couple of the psathyrella's alone for now.
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landsnorkler


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Those look more like conocybes than psathyrellas to me.
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BirdsIView
Mr. Helms

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Yeah, I think you're right. Conocybe tenera possibly...
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Alan Rockefeller
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> The possible foeniscii's that I have just sitting around (not under wine glass, haven't checked those yet) have a very light black spore print
Sounds like a walnut brown spore print, which confirms that they are probably Panaeolus foenisecii.
> while the psathyrella's give off a tan print, very much like the color of the caps just a little darker. I'm leaving a couple of the psathyrella's alone for now.
Psathyrella spores are usually quite a bit darker brown than that.
> Those look more like conocybes than psathyrellas to me.
Now that I look at them again, I completely agree with you. Every time I look at them they look more like Conocybe and less like Psathyrella. Psathyrella's would have darker colored gills at maturity than they are at in the first picture. Also, the way the gills are fine and straight and go all the way to the top screams Conocybe.
> Yeah, I think you're right. Conocybe tenera possibly...
That is a very good guess. You've convinced me.
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BirdsIView
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The spore prints for the possible foeniscii's are coming out very faded. In either case, theres close to 0 chance they are toxic, correct? I may go ahead and eat a few tonight and see what happens. Do you think I would have any luck if I scrape off the spores and put them on my back lawn? Might be a very stupid question but it would be nice to just walk right outside and get some nice possible actives.

After looking at this pic, I'm 99% sure they are foenisecii's. On wikipedia it says they aren't active? I thought they had a little bit of psilocybin in them...
Edited by BirdsIView (09/23/07 09:49 PM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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> The spore prints for the possible foeniscii's are coming out very faded. In either case, theres close to 0 chance they are toxic, correct?
There are no toxic Panaeolina / Panaeolus species. Everything with black spores is nontoxic with the exception of Coprinus atramentaria, which makes alcohol toxic.
If they are really Panaeolina foenisecii (90% chance at this point, I think), then you may go ahead and eat as many as you want.
I would prefer that you post some nice clear pictures of the spore print and gills of the mushroom before you eat it, as a final sanity check. If I am going to be responsible for someones life, thats fine it happens all the time (I am a rock climber), but I would like to be damn sure first.
Panaeolina foenisecii is one of those mushrooms that has a distinct smell and taste. I can ID them with my eyes closed just based on that. (possibly some other Panaeolus species would smell the same) Its kind of hard to describe - Kind of organic, kind of mushroomy, but with an extra indole type of smell due to the various tryptamine alkaloids present in all Panaeolus species.
> I may go ahead and eat a few tonight and see what happens
If you are expecting them to contain Psilocybin, you will almost certainly be disappointed. The reports of Panaeolina foenisecii containing psilocybin are mistakes, they accidently got some psychoactive jet black spored species in there such as Panaeolus castaneifolius or Panaeolus subbalteatus, which are both also found on lawns.
> Do you think I would have any luck if I scrape off the spores and put them on my back lawn?
It is possible, but I don't think that this is the species that you want on your lawn. Its probably already there anyway, there are few lawns that don't fruit this species at one time or another.
> Might be a very stupid question but it would be nice to just walk right outside and get some nice possible actives.
You will have much better luck burying some spawn of a known active species in your lawn. What you should really do is mow your lawn, save the clippings, pasteurize them, and inoculate them with grain spawn. You could fruit that indoors or spread it all over your lawn or bury it in flower pots.
If you can find an active species growing on a local lawn, you would have a good strain that likes your local environment. That would be better than ordering spores from half way across the country.
> On wikipedia it says they aren't active? I thought they had a little bit of psilocybin in them...
I wrote that, and I believe it is true.
If you decide to test it, at least fry them in butter so they taste good.
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BirdsIView
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[image] [/url][/image][image] [/url][/image]My apologies for even worse pics than before, my other cameras battery is dead.
Hopefully you can see that it's a dark spore print and
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CureCat
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BirdsIView said: [image] [/url][/url][/image][image] [/url][/url][/image]My apologies for even worse pics than before, my other cameras battery is dead.
Hopefully you can see that it's a dark spore print and
and...?? 
Maybe Birds internet ran outta battery too.
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