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Offlinelemon67
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    #7444219 - 09/23/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hey everyone Im new here, looks like an awesome place though, looking forward to sharing ideas and such. I have some newb questions that ive been wondering about getting solved. So im just wondering what the term flush is all about, Im assuming its talking about the whole growth cycle, but what does it mean when someone is on their 3rd flush, is that using the same cakes to grow new shrooms or something? And another thing, what would happen say, I have a cake to inoculate and I inject with z strain spores and pink buffalo spores? Just as an example, but what happens when you mix spores in one cake? Do they mix?


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: lemon67]
    #7444236 - 09/23/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"Flush" is the terminology for what growth cycle your cake is in. Your first flush indicates that your cake has pinned, fruited, and been picked.

To answer your second question; one of two things would happen. The first possibility would be that one Mycelium would take over the other Mycelium. The other possibility would be that the Mycelia from both strains would be compatible and wind together, and the mushrooms would likely show characteristics of Psilocybin Cubensis. You wouldn't get any ubersupermega shrooms or anything.


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: Chi Ro]
    #7444323 - 09/23/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

K, So after my cakes and fruited and been picked, if I leave them in the grow chamber they will fruit again and this will be flush 2?

And so if the mycelium wind together, they can share characteristics between strains?


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: lemon67]
    #7444370 - 09/23/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yea, the cakes will continue to flush so long as they don't
a) get contaminated (which happens if the picking process leaves room for contam), or
b) their acidic waste products build up enough to stop their growth (often protected against in bulk grows by mixing garden lime into the casing layer)

... after you pick, you want to rehumidify to prepare for flush #2!


As far as I know, the mycelia of 2 strains (or even 2 "siblings"- mycelia grown from spores from the same parent mushroom) will keep their own separate characteristics. Some are more compatible growing together than others.
More advanced growers will try to isolate and grow one particular fungus (from one original spore, with its own unique genetic code) to minimize "fighting" with other fungi and to select for certain desirable traits of that organism. The process is called cloning.


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: ananda]
    #7445154 - 09/23/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wicked, thanks for the help both of you. How do I minimize the chance of contam when picking? And I was under the impression that after picking/during fruiting the mycelium is colonized enough to fight off infection? And how many flushes will fruit bodies still grow for until I need to start new culture?


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: lemon67]
    #7449805 - 09/24/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Minimize the chance of contam by keeping everything clean, like your hands and tools. Yes, there is an immune system in place. Immune systems can fail, just like people's. So its an odds game, just do everything in favor of staying clean.

When you pick, use clean hands and twist them off, try not to leave too much uncolonized substrate visible... no big danger there, but you never know.

I usually got 4 flushes, with each one getting weaker. That might just be saying some thing about my skill level, who knows, you might get more.


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Re: New Member, new grower! [Re: ananda]
    #7449821 - 09/24/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

bulk subs are what will give you high-yield grows with lots of flushes.

more than four flushes of cakes and soon you'll be getting little to none off them. I'd say three is reasonable, but by around that time the myc would be ravaged and prone to contamination.


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