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Middleman

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I bet folks are wondering what we're arguing about.
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JacquesCousteau said: To me, sports is a spiritual discussion if you want it to be.
Sports and the act of discussing them certainly can be an expression of spirituality. It can contain within it spirituality. And what if one wishes to discuss that which is contained within sports and that discussion of it? One would discuss spirituality itself.
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Just so you know, there are spiritual conversations that take place outside of this forum on this website.
I'm well-aware.
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You really annoy the fuck out of me sometimes. Is that a personalism? Please, ban me from this sinkhole.
Of course it is, and you already know I can't ban you from this forum. This is why the personalisms rule is in place, after all, because discussing personalisms obstructs the discussion of the ideas being exchanged.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Middleman]
#7443591 - 09/23/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Middleman said: I bet folks are wondering what we're arguing about.
The topic I outlined for discussion in the original thread?
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And, therefore, is it not reasonable for me to state that there is no reason for one forum in particular to don the label of "spirituality" when all the other forums can be deemed equally spiritual in nature through this integral connection between the concept of spirituality and all things in this experience we call life?
Yes but I think that there's has to be made a distinction. That is, the difference between simply living life and being aware of the fact that we're living (how much awareness and choice we place in this experience). On the latter we have spirituality revealed.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7443626 - 09/23/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7443672 - 09/23/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Of course it is, and you already know I can't ban you from this forum. This is why the personalisms rule is in place, after all, because discussing personalisms obstructs the discussion of the ideas being exchanged.
Actually, no, I didn't know I couldn't be banned from a forum. My mistake.
Please refrain from telling me what I know in the future.
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I was only responding in like-kind, tit for tat. After you decided to start discussing personalisms, instead of ideas, you stated that, "just so you know, there are spiritual conversations that take place outside of this forum on this website.". You clearly assumed that I was not aware of this.
Please refrain from telling me what I know in the future.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7443717 - 09/23/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now, let us focus once again on the ideas for discussion.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7443744 - 09/23/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: I was only responding in like-kind, tit for tat. After you decided to start discussing personalisms, instead of ideas, you stated that, "just so you know, there are spiritual conversations that take place outside of this forum on this website.". You clearly assumed that I was not aware of this.
Please refrain from telling me what I know in the future.
Now you're telling me what I assumed? Wow, where does it end? Amazing.
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Tell me what the meaning of the phrase "just so you know" is.
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Wow...testosterone levels really ARE highest in the morning!
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Veritas]
#7443794 - 09/23/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: adrug]
#7443904 - 09/23/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly I think spirituality is a way of life, an honest and personal approach to things. As such, I believe we are very spiritual about our philosophy.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7444118 - 09/23/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is spirituality you ask? It is skillful action in wielding the Sword of Discriminating Wisdom. It is cutting at the roots of all the traps that ensnare one in the webs of space-time and force one to identify with the dramas of life which always result in death.
It is in my personal methods of staying free, moving swiftly yet keeping the Awareness, without being trapped into unbridled emotions and runaway thoughts. It is refusing to own a cell phone, it is in not watching network TV, it is in watching rather than acting on emotions that arise, it is in being altruistic and friendly but also abstaining from chit-chat. It is (still) laughing at those who run from the worksite on Friday afternoons because fulfillment is 'out there' somewhere, perhaps in some Happy Hour, but not here & now in a now-quiet, lucid, empty middle school building whence one can just mosey on home. Spirituality is keeping the same position for years with zero interest in climbing the career ladder because one prefers to counsel kids than to control co-workers. Spirituality is buying Mazdas when one can afford Mercedes' but chooses not to.
It is not about the objects and their social uses but the false assumptions about Reality that are being cut down. Spirituality is the creative expression of Truth. Therefore, there are as many manifestations of spirituality as there are persons to manifest it. Most people who are not creative merely pour themselves into the mold of religions. For me that is like the 'dummy load' my childhood friend used when tuning his ham radio. rather than sending random signals out to everyone with a ham radio through his antenna, he re-routed the signal into a gallon can of transformer oil where it nothing but heat up the oil. No communication, nothing gained by anyone. Spirituality is creative and can be manifested in everything, in certain things, or in nothing at all - which is no spirituality.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7444424 - 09/23/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Religion and Spirituality are not the same thing.
One is rigid, unchanging, dogma, the other is isn't.
I'm an atheist. I am also spiritual.
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"It is (still) laughing at those who run from the worksite on Friday afternoons because fulfillment is 'out there' somewhere, perhaps in some Happy Hour, but not here & now in a now-quiet, lucid, empty middle school building whence one can just mosey on home."
When can we tell them the big joke, boss?? Fuck.
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Diploid]
#7444561 - 09/23/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm an atheist. I am also spiritual.
Interesting. How do you consider yourself to be Spiritual?
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Middleman]
#7444624 - 09/23/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is very possible to be spiritual without believing in any form of god. I don't see what's the contradiction here. Is this feeling of wondering at life and about life reserved only for those who believe in god? This is totally erroneous because it would mean that those who believe in god and consider themselves to be spiritual would form an exclusory circle where only those who share the same beliefs (or similar) are entitled to spirituality.
In my opinion, atheists are much more honest when it comes to life's mysteries because they don't claim to know The Answer, so from that point of view one could even say that atheists are even more spiritual than theists. Which in extent gives them more freedom to explore and inquire, making them able to understand more than those who are limited by religion and it's dogma (no matter the religion or dogma, from this angle it's all the same because it becomes restrictive)
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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7444734 - 09/23/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Religion/mysticism is an attempt to explain an obscure concept in simple terms while cloaking it in mystery to do just as you said. Conceal. Paternalistic hierarchies and such?? Had some spirit filled soul never doubted the 'truth' as accepted we'd all be on auto pilot by now. IMO. Its a tending towards and realization of further and further truths. A synchronization of sorts. A vibration produced by strumming your chord of sympathetic frequencies to this crazy jungle beat mixed by an unknown competition scratch DJ that ultimately moves people to the floor and gets things shaking. Feels good to get a handle on it, however turbulent. Never did dance much. I'm up for a slow song.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
#7447098 - 09/24/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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To me, religion and spirituality appear to have little to do with one another. Those who would claim that atheists/agnostics are not spiritual people are expressing a narrow definition of the term.
What drew me to psychology was the idea of applying the mind to understand our own consciousness. The root word "psyche" means spirit or soul, which I take as descriptors of consciousness and motivation. When I turn inward and explore my own consciousness, that is spiritual. When I reach outward and share the fruits of my explorations, that is spiritual. When I listen and question and test and try the expressions of others, that is spiritual.
So, yes, we definitely discuss spiritual matters here. Spirituality is the heart of this forum, while philosophy is the mind. Philosophy proposes how we might best structure our lives, and spirituality connects us with our most-authentic selves. No supernatural deities need be involved, no arcane rituals, no woo-woo, no fluff.
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