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Spirituality And This Forum
    #7443113 - 09/23/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have a question to ask of ye posters of P&S. :wink:

Do you think this forum has anything to do with spirituality? Do we regularily discuss spiritual matters here? Is spirituality an integral aspect of this forum?

And, for the hell of it, what do you think spirituality is? :sherlock:

Personally, I see spirituality as being the perspective and the path of exploring one's perspective on the nature of life, reality.... purpose and meaning...

Personally, I find that this is a central focus of this forum, and that we use philosophy in order to consensually explore out our spirituality.

Does anyone agree with me on this one? What do you all think? :smile: What does spirituality mean to you, and does this forum seem to be all about exploring it?


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443128 - 09/23/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I equate spirituality with religion and faith, both two things I am mostly against these days. So I would say no, I'm not spiritual (in that sense anyway). I'm factual. I believe in what can be proven and nothing else.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: adrug]
    #7443141 - 09/23/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And why do you make the equation? I've always heard it stated that many athiest scientists are deeply spiritual. :wink:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443143 - 09/23/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This forum is more Philosophical than Spiritual IMO.

Philosophy is more about objective analysis and Spirituality is more about subjective faith.

Main Entry: phi·los·o·phy
Pronunciation: f&-'lä-s(&-)fE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -phies
Etymology: Middle English philosophie, from Anglo-French, from Latin philosophia, from Greek, from philosophos philosopher
1 a (1) : all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts (2) : the sciences and liberal arts exclusive of medicine, law, and theology <a doctor of philosophy> (3) : the 4-year college course of a major seminary b (1) archaic : PHYSICAL SCIENCE (2) : ETHICS c : a discipline comprising as its core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology
2 a : pursuit of wisdom b : a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means c : an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs
3 a : a system of philosophical concepts b : a theory underlying or regarding a sphere of activity or thought <the philosophy of war>
4 a : the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group b : calmness of temper and judgment befitting a philosopher


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Middleman]
    #7443153 - 09/23/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I agree that it is more philosophical than spiritual; in fact, that is why we decided to switch the order of the two words around some time ago. :smirk:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: adrug]
    #7443161 - 09/23/07 08:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My question regarding the association was for you specifically, I thought I might add - I do understand the connections amongst spirituality and religion, even though they are clearly distinct phenomenons that do not share a lot of common ground. In fact, it could be affirmed that spirituality is the center essence of both philosophy and religion, and that it is simply a question of which means one wishes to utilize to immerse oneself within spirituality.

Some individuals prefer to access spirituality through unquestioned faith, some individuals prefer to utilize critical thought and questioning to analyze the nature of reality in order to arrive at the experience of spirituality. In fact, spirituality essentially is the experience of life itself - the intangible experience of reality. :levitate:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443169 - 09/23/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This forum is different for everybody and everyone can experience it from different angles, being up to each of us what we make of it. This is why I find it to be so interesting and assorted.
Spirituality in my opinion resides in the ability to recognize the higher state of being in each of us, being able to enjoy exploring this life and feeling good about it, the way we choose to interact with others.

I think that this is the main focus of this forum, and this comes from the way each of us present our views and choose to respond to the views of others, and the fact that everybody here seem to be manifesting that sense of a greater state of presence, looking for ways to grow and make the most of this experience :yinyang:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443345 - 09/23/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Mostly this forum has to do with you flirting with MT. I guess that could be seen as spiritual. (by you)


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: Icelander]
    #7443412 - 09/23/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Mostly this forum has to do with you flirting with MT. I guess that could be seen as spiritual. (by you)




:rofl:

IMHO:

Philosophy: The rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.

I believe this forum is philosophical in nature, as it deals with the rational investigation of any given subject.

To try to say that it is not spiritual in nature is false, as spirituality can encompass all aspects of reality, including philosophy. In other words, ANY FORUM on this site can be declared spiritual in nature if it is so to the poster at hand.

Therefore, I would not put the label of "spirituality" on this forum exclusively. If it goes on this one, it should be on every one, as it is a subjective opinionation.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443446 - 09/23/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose if I were looking at spirituality from a larger perspective, such as, we're all human, we're all alive, there's SOMETHING there that drives us, well then I see your point. In some ways maybe I am a spiritual person, even though I don't necessarily believe in all-knowing higher powers or organized religion. :shrug:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443484 - 09/23/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe this forum is philosophical in nature, as it deals with the rational investigation of any given subject.




And I believe that this forum is also spiritual in nature, in that it has been orientated towards philosophical discussion of spirituality. "Any given subject", far more often than not in this forum, is the subject of spirituality. It does not take any amount of digging to readily observe this fact.

This forum does not resemble, simply, a philosophy forum. It never has. It has always been integrally associated with spirituality - philosophy being the manner in which we explore spirituality. It is not strictly spiritual, or it would be, simply, the Spiritual forum. :lol:

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To try to say that it is not spiritual in nature is false, as spirituality can encompass all aspects of reality, including philosophy. In other words, ANY FORUM on this site can be declared spiritual in nature if it is so to the poster at hand.




It isn't the same thing. :sorry:

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Therefore, I would not put the label of "spirituality" on this forum exclusively. If it goes on this one, it should be on every one, as it is a subjective opinionation.




No, that doesn't make sense. This forum has been intended for discussion of spirituality for a very long time now. Its identity involves spirituality itself, and not in some "ohh, everything is spiritual in a sense" way. The fact that it also concerns philosophy is regardless, they are very mutally associated.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443499 - 09/23/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:

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To try to say that it is not spiritual in nature is false, as spirituality can encompass all aspects of reality, including philosophy. In other words, ANY FORUM on this site can be declared spiritual in nature if it is so to the poster at hand.




It isn't the same thing. :sorry:





Well I guess I don't see your point then. :sorry:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: adrug]
    #7443504 - 09/23/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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adrug said:
I suppose if I were looking at spirituality from a larger perspective, such as, we're all human, we're all alive, there's SOMETHING there that drives us, well then I see your point. In some ways maybe I am a spiritual person, even though I don't necessarily believe in all-knowing higher powers or organized religion. :shrug:




Yes, and I think these sorts of topics are very abundant in this forum. Even Icelander has his posts about death anxiety driving us, plus his spiritual teasing of Veritas.... :smirk:

I think what is discussed a lot here, in a philosophical way, is life itself, and that is what spirituality concerns. Life, and the experience thereof. :yinyang: Philosophy is how we work together to express and exchange these views - philosophy, of course, basically means, what, purposeful thinking? Nothing more spiritual than that, especially when it is regarding our life, the fact that we are aware, etc. etc. etc., all these common insights and experiences that we are searching to express, in a meaningful way. :wink:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443517 - 09/23/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I think what is discussed a lot here, in a philosophical way, is life itself, and that is what spirituality concerns. Life, and the experience thereof.




So... when it's convenient to your point, spirituality is all encompassing, but when it's contrary to your point, you just shoot me down with corny emoticons?

How is your point that "life itself" is what spirituality concerns any different than the point I was trying to make about how all aspects of life can be incorporated into the concept of spirituality?

Is it not just a different wording of the exact same concept?


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443521 - 09/23/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Well I guess I don't see your point then. :sorry:




I've already presented my viewpoint as to how philosophy and spirituality are integrally linked in this thread. Is there anything with the ideas I've presented that you disagree with or would wish for further elaboration upon? :sherlock:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443529 - 09/23/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You've also stated that spirituality and life are integrally linked.

Does this not indicate that all the forums on this site (which, you may note, involve different aspects of this thing we call "life") are integrally linked to the concept of spirituality?

And, therefore, is it not reasonable for me to state that there is no reason for one forum in particular to don the label of "spirituality" when all the other forums can be deemed equally spiritual in nature through this integral connection between the concept of spirituality and all things in this experience we call life?


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443535 - 09/23/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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So... when it's convenient to your point, spirituality is all encompassing, but when it's contrary to your point, you just shoot me down with corny emoticons?




Nope, I believe you've misinterpeted my statements. :shrug:

The expression of spirituality is all encompassing, but spirituality itself is not all encompassing. Discussing sports does not thus discuss spirituality, even though engaging in playing sports can be spiritual. Do you recognize the distinction?

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How is your point that "life itself" is what spirituality concerns any different than the point I was trying to make about how all aspects of life can be incorporated into the concept of spirituality?




Spirituality being evident within all aspects of life does not necessitate that discussing all aspects of life is thus a discussion of spirituality.

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Is it not just a different wording of the exact same concept?




Nope. :sorry: :wink:


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443541 - 09/23/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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You've also stated that spirituality and life are integrally linked.

Does this not indicate that all the forums on this site (which, you may note, involve different aspects of this thing we call "life") are integrally linked to the concept of spirituality?




Yes, they may be integrally linked, but it does not mean that all these aspects are the concept of spirituality.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443547 - 09/23/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
Well I guess I don't see your point then. :sorry:




I've already presented my viewpoint as to how philosophy and spirituality are integrally linked in this thread. Is there anything with the ideas I've presented that you disagree with or would wish for further elaboration upon? :sherlock:




I could say that Mysticism and Spirituality are integrally linked.

All we're talking here is arbitrary semantics.


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Re: Spirituality And This Forum [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7443550 - 09/23/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Whatever man. You win. Here, have a medal.

To me, sports is a spiritual discussion if you want it to be.

Just so you know, there are spiritual conversations that take place outside of this forum on this website.

You really annoy the fuck out of me sometimes. Is that a personalism? Please, ban me from this sinkhole.


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