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    #7443060 - 09/23/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So here we are, after about a year of lurking(i hate that word), then finally signing up and now I finally have something worthwhile to post. At least I hope so...
I am having a hard time with the ID on this one. I have consulted Roger Phillips guide as well as a new guide 'Pocket Nature Fungi'
Based on those sources, I still couldn't make a distinct verification.
everything seems right for a gymnopilus or at least pholiota. All characteristics that I observed matched, except for size.
England has been very dry, and this may be a contributing factor.

Location: South east England. north of london, Cambridge area
Habitat: Small deciduous woodland
Local Habitat: Growing from a decomposed tree stump.
Here are the pics...I think I covered all the bases.
local habitat...
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Sectioned, and a piece that I froze and thawed out. Also, there is a stem that I pulled apart, very fibrous...
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Gills...
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Stained with NaOH (a stain with KOH is supposed to turn the cap black/red and stem red) This is a feature associated with pholiota I believe. Also, the cap is ever so slightly fibrous. And, there are rings present, except where it was still attached to the cap...
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Some more pics...(the foliage shown was from saplings growing out of the stump where I found the mushrooms.
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spore print...
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I think I noticed some colored(maybe black/green/blue) bruising, but it was so slight, that it may not have been anything. Or perhaps just the darkened bruised area inside the stem showing through to the outside from when I rolled a portion of it between my fingers.
The taste was very bitter, and they had a strong smell when wet.
I found this pic on my computer. I think I took the photo last year in mid October when the climate was optimal in Epping woods, north London
What is it?
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Lastly, I did look at the spores under a microscope, and they were elliptical and almond shaped.
So, now I wait and hold out for some good news. If there is any more info I can add, let me know.
Thanks everyone
-alex


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: akb112211]
    #7443466 - 09/23/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Nice description!

I personally would lean towards looking into the Gymnopilus genus further. One trait is that Philota tends to have brown spores, and you have orange, which would suggest Gymnopilus.


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: angryshroom]
    #7443600 - 09/23/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the quick response!
Just to clarify, the last picture is unrelated to the previous pictures.
If we are talking gymnopilus(for the fungi in the detailed description), i guess the jury is still out on whether they will be active or not. Hopefully i can get further confirmation on which gyms they are(if indeed gyms). At which point I can sacrifice my tastebuds on them for the sake of 'science'


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: akb112211]
    #7443734 - 09/23/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I miss you Angry!!!


akb, they are Gymnopilus indeed. Some funky veil going on in that 6th photo. Anyway, the bitter flavour is consistent with Gyms.

I can't say whether they are active or not. I generally only eat Gyms if they have green discolouration. I have drop kicked known active Gyms over my balcony, not because I was uncertain, but because if they don't have evident green/bluing, then they are probably not very potent compared to their colourful counterparts.
Coon may disagree with this, however, they taste so horrible to me, I'd rather not bioassay.


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: CureCat]
    #7443846 - 09/23/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> Lastly, I did look at the spores under a microscope, and they were elliptical and almond shaped.

Were the spores smooth or covered in little bumps?

Pholiota has smooth spores while Gymnopilus has roughened spores. Both genuses can have rusty orange spore prints.

How about the cap surface - Was it dry, or sticky/slimy? If you wet your finger and touch the cap, is it viscid (slimy)?

A close up macro shot of the cap would help a bit.

Here is a picture I took of some Gymnopilus luteofolius spores:



The spores in the above photo were slightly roughened, though it doesn't show up well.


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7444152 - 09/23/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

unfortunately, the microscope i am using has a pretty bad light source. (lot's of chromatic aberration). When at the highest magnification, all I can make out is the shape. I'm gonna have another look anyway.
I'll also wait for another flush, and collect more fresh. The caps have a suede-like feel, and on a somewhat dry cap, it doesn't go slimy upon wetting. Also, it may just be my imagination, but they seem to have taken a slightly green tinge where the stems are more white-yellow upon drying. It is subtle, if anything. I believe this calls for a bioassay indeed. Thanks a lot everyone.
Man, I hope I don't spend too much time on the boards. I'm hooked already.
I'll take a macro shot in the morning with natural light, but the caps will be a bit dry.


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Re: lurker no more...Shall I begin with an ID request? [Re: akb112211]
    #7444245 - 09/23/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> unfortunately, the microscope i am using has a pretty bad light source. (lot's of chromatic
> aberration). When at the highest magnification, all I can make out is the shape. I'm gonna have
> another look anyway.


Try slowly adjusting the fine focus as you are looking at the spores under the highest magnification. You should be able to focus in on the cell walls and see if they are smooth or warted.

> I'll also wait for another flush, and collect more fresh. The caps have a suede-like feel, and on a
> somewhat dry cap, it doesn't go slimy upon wetting.

Sounds like a Gymnopilus. Pholiota's often get slimy when you wet the cap.

> Also, it may just be my imagination, but they seem to have taken a slightly green tinge where the
> stems are more white-yellow upon drying.

The green tinge is a giveaway that it contains psilocin, if it is really there. Try crushing a fresh stem and put it in the fridge for a couple days, see if that makes it any greener.

The bitter taste is another indicator that it is Gymnopilus.


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