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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7444819 - 09/23/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"But how could 'both' factors (if there are even only two) be consistent with one another or even be able to interact if they are not originally from the same source?"

This statement lead me to believe that you acknowledge the division of the ONE into 'parts'.
Going from this I agree that they originate from a single source.


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7444833 - 09/23/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"You seemed to say they're necessary and inherent to things, and I said that they're not inherent and everything is much simpler than that."

I say that to enter into the head space that would be called knowing, as in understanding the (your) truth, you would have to walk through gates not walk out, ya know??


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7444861 - 09/23/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I say that to enter into the head space that would be called knowing, as in understanding the (your) truth, you would have to walk through gates not walk out, ya know??



Well yes, but this does not even necessarily imply a duality, just distinction. Duality implies two equal entities counteracting/complementing each other, does it not? But this doesn't approach a greater/less than relationship, or the existence of more than two entities in a relationship, or two entities not in a counteracting/complementary relationship at all.


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"I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou

"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7445407 - 09/23/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"Are we too clever for ourselves - did we create the concept of duality so that we couldn't ever escape from it....?"

I should have put this in my original post.
This is why I said bingo.
I feel that a lot of the stories are written from a dual perspective.
Hero/villain, good/evil
If into mythology you understand that these stories are important.
I feel that it all exists.
Both what people call good, and what they refer to as evil. But, as ONE.
The stories fed to us all force us to choose sides from an early age.
This fragments the ONE, IMO.
"...so that we can't escape..."

Something about NOT eating the fruit from the tree in the garden.
Something about the opportunity to NOW be as of the gods, knowing the difference...

I feel this rather dominant model is applicable.
I feel the forces are at play but they are well blended by now, and possibly on the rocks.


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7446334 - 09/24/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I feel that my mind is spinning.:stars:

:tongue:


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"To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7446913 - 09/24/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Join the club.:lol:
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