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OfflinePhanTomCat
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Escaping and/or Transcending Duality..........
    #7442662 - 09/23/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Can it really ever be done....?
Is it just too clever for us....?
Or are we too clever for ourselves....?




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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7442716 - 09/23/07 02:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of duality?  You mean gender?

Well... unless you mean eunuchs, I guess.  Or maybe trannies, as they can switch back and forth at their leisure. :shocked:

Who knows, but this is a really serious question. :lol:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7442812 - 09/23/07 03:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Do you mean escaping infinity? Is there any thing else possible than infinity... I made a thread about this recently and the general response was: you can't escape infinity because it covers everything, that's the point of infinity.

I don't know... it's like... even if there was a way to deny or transcend ultimate reality... the place you would end up would then become part of ultimate reality. There has to be something which language can't come close to pointing to.


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7442972 - 09/23/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"If the string is too tight it will snap, if it is too slack it will not play."


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7442973 - 09/23/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I believe that one's ATTACHMENT to duality is transcended every time you let your mind quiet and find your way back to the roots of consciousness within yourself, which is a single-pointed state of being.

Duality is a product of the mind. Reality is a product of the mind. Our acknowledgement of what we deem dualistic arises as a result of our analyzation of that reality. We make the choice to move from a single-point to a dual-pointed system simply by pulling information into a logical form that we think we can "know."

Either way it's all in your head... it's just a matter of whether we want to think in a single-pointed way (experiencing god, oneness, unification) or a multi-pointed way. (Experiencing duality and further evolutions upon duality which exist in higher dimensional thinking.)

http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php <--This does a good job of illustrating the concepts of higher dimensional thinking. Keep in mind that this is a handbook for understanding how reality works as a construct of the mind, not as an external objective reality.

Now if you mean PERMANENTLY transcending the attachment to duality, I don't know. We constantly shift in and out of it, in my opinion. Some do it with awareness of the process, while others do it without being aware of it.

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If I had to fathom a guess, I would GUESS that attachment to duality is not permanently transcended until the physical plane is left behind.

Duality is the separation of one into two, which is what allows all structure to hold form instead of collapsing in on itself. To permanently transcend duality would be to leave the physical plane, as far as I can tell.

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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7442979 - 09/23/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

From what I've heard Duality continues beyond the Physical onto the Astral and it is not until the Causal plane that Duality is permanently transcended, I guess.

I think the most persistent duality is the Observer and the Observed and the most beneficial perspective is not of one or neither, but of BOTH.

It's like walking a tightrope, imo...


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Middleman]
    #7442987 - 09/23/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well I wouldn't know one way or another about that. Like I said, if I had to fathom a GUESS, I would guess that duality is transcended upon leaving the physical plane.

However, I would consider the idea that dreamstates seem to offer a form of physicality, which may allude to your point. :smile:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7442990 - 09/23/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, I'm just guessing too. I dig how you qualify your views with IMOs. :thumbup:

So few people around here do that, they just state their views like it's the end-all Truth. :thumbdown:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Middleman]
    #7442993 - 09/23/07 05:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
Hey, I'm just guessing too. I dig how you qualify your views with IMOs. :thumbup:

So few people around here do that, they just state their views like it's the end-all Truth. :thumbdown:




Yeah... I've learned to do that so that the skeptics don't assume I'm stating fact and jump down my throat by... er... stating factually how wrong I am. :wink:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7442995 - 09/23/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hehe, as far as I see, duality is a byproduct of existence itself. If there's existence, there's nonexistence too, automatically.
At least, that's where I see the roots of duality.

Existence and nonexistence are strongly contextual.


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7442997 - 09/23/07 06:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good point. I was shrooming once and heard a song lyric that said "non-existence does not exist" it sounds like gibberish, I know, but at the time I understood it completely and it was very profound...


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Middleman]
    #7443012 - 09/23/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, and transcendence in some context means our ability to take a look into the realms of the nonexistence.


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Middleman]
    #7443031 - 09/23/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Good point. I was shrooming once and heard a song lyric that said "non-existence does not exist" it sounds like gibberish, I know, but at the time I understood it completely and it was very profound...




I think this is hinting at the idea that the existence/non-existence duality is a fallacy. Perhaps the absence of something is not the opposite of it, because it's not anything at all. It has no inherent definition whatsoever, so how can it be part of a duality?

Uhoh, I smell a paradox a'brewin'... :laugh:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443039 - 09/23/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The absence of 'something' is 'its' definition - and therefore a duality :wink:


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7443051 - 09/23/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
The absence of 'something' is 'its' definition - and therefore a duality :wink:




How can something be defined by the absence of another label?

To me, that's like saying my name is Mark because my name isn't Bob. To me, that's not true. (Because my name isn't Mark.)


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443059 - 09/23/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In a dried out river bed, there is no river. It's the absence of the river.
There is nothing in the river bed (except hot air),  but primarily it's the lack of the water which defines the context of non-existence there.

edit:I mean, we often only recognize the non-existence in the lack in and of it's context. And you are right, of course there could flow a river of Fanta too, not water :wink:


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Edited by BlueCoyote (09/23/07 07:07 AM)


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7443373 - 09/23/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Can it really ever be done....?
Is it just too clever for us....?
Or are we too clever for ourselves....?




>^;;^<


P.S. Someone else made the pic, I just found it while surfin....




No

Yes

What?


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Icelander]
    #7443781 - 09/23/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

DailyDouble... What is sex, Alex?


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7443831 - 09/23/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Duality is a product of the mind. Reality is a product of the mind. Our acknowledgement of what we deem dualistic arises as a result of our analyzation of that reality. We make the choice to move from a single-point to a dual-pointed system simply by pulling information into a logical form that we think we can "know."




Is reality really a product of the mind, or visa~versa~....?
This very much reminds me of something that I never understood from science class as a young lad....
The tree falls in the woods, no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound....
The rules of science say that there must be a receiver for the sound, for there to be a sound....

I always thought that if the sound waves were produced, then the waves of sound exist and travel outwards, whether there is a direct receiver or not....    :shrug:
The hell I say....!?    :lol:



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JacquesCousteau said:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php  <--This does a good job of illustrating the concepts of higher dimensional thinking.
Keep in mind that this is a handbook for understanding how reality works as a construct of the mind, not as an external objective reality.




Aahhh yes, I just posted this link in the 4th-5th Dimension thread last week in the other form - (this forum's duality mate!)...  :tongue:
Reality is stuck between two points - according to the video, and what they say that "we" understand up to this point....


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Re: Escaping and/or Transcending Duality.......... [Re: Icelander]
    #7443838 - 09/23/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
What?




Are we too clever for ourselves - did we create the concept of duality so that we couldn't ever escape from it....?


>^;;^<


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