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mikebart101
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Is insanity sane?
#7442403 - 09/23/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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3 questions...
1.) "if you had a split personality; if you could associate with sanity and insanity at the same time, which personality would you choose;insanity?"
2>) "If you truly knew what i was talking about, would you cry at your best friends wedding/funeral; or....would you laugh."
3.) "If you know what you are talking about, why are you afraid to be God.?"
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Wrong forum.
The insanity forum is to your left.
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finally a thread *I* can relate to
question first: insainity FTW!
number two: laughter is key
and in the end: pfft...what makes you think I'm afraid
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One quick question.....
If you were insane, would you be able to realize, recognize, and know it....?
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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7444074 - 09/23/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can 
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The people that call themselves "insane" are posers.... 
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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7444098 - 09/23/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's not what my doctors say
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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7444100 - 09/23/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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No no no! I refuse to take this conversation any further if you don't believe me!
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OK, OK, you can both be insane for the sake of conversation....
But, only on the grounds that I get to be a Pimp....

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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7444171 - 09/23/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pimp or assistant pimp?
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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: Muppet]
#7444195 - 09/23/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah...I'd say this thread is about two seconds away from pube status at this point
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mikebart101 said: If you truly knew what i was talking about,
Well I don't, so there.
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 "To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald
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Either or all the time every time forever right now.
Both always.
Its not a man, man. At least not yet, right?? Left. For good??
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I'm certainly out there, but not quite so much that I can't function (mostly) within normal society. Sometimes. Most of the time. Kinda.
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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: Kinematics]
#7444509 - 09/23/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Normal?? Dang. Thing is beyond overwhelmingly strange, for sure, already. Is there an on-ramp to non-normal society somewhere, where?? Up to speed, blinker, merge.
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Metal illness and sanity are socially defined. Those who differ from the masses are mostly considered to be insane. Can someone who is labeled as insane have great skills at maneuvering life, feeling good about life, experience lots of understanding, compassion as well as the ability to make constructive changes around them? The answer is yes. Are those people really mentally ill? The answer is no in my opinion.
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MushroomTrip said: Metal illness and sanity are socially defined. Those who differ from the masses are mostly considered to be insane. Can someone who is labeled as insane have great skills at maneuvering life, feeling good about life, experience lots of understanding, compassion as well as the ability to make constructive changes around them? The answer is yes. Are those people really mentally ill? The answer is no in my opinion.
I would agree that it is often defined that way, although society normally determines someone as actually mentally ill when it impedes the quality of their daily living to a serious degree. Of course, a generalization about that kind of thing is hard to make.
But yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. I was labeled crazy for a long time simply because I didn't believe like the status quo. 
Oh, well. Guess that's what you get when you become a revolutionary. 
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And I would agree with you if I had the prove that the society itself is sane. Until now, it shows no signs that it would be. So how can an unhealthy society determine what's healthy? Our minds are being evaluated, mostly, by sad people. So it's only natural to figure that, in order to fulfill their sanity standards, we have to have a certain degree of sadness (worrying about life) as well. How many times have you heard someone tell you "it's ok to feel sad". Well it's NOT ok to feels sad, it's not ok to encourage, in any way, someone to feel sad. In fact, most problems come exactly from this particular issue. If we let ourselves being driven into "insanity" by those who lack the ability to feel animated, alive, it means that we're facing the risk of becoming living corpses.
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Well see, the issue you're talking about isn't even what I was referencing when I said "impedes the quality of their daily living to a serious degree". I'm talking about those who can't even lift their fork to eat because of all the crazy thoughts running through their heads. That's certainly not healthy and concerns a different issue.
As far as being sad or whatever, I don't think it's a bad thing to be sad, but it's unhealthy to be depressed. There's a difference between the two, IMO.
I don't think I ever remember seeing someone overwhelmingly happy being labeled as insane, though.
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Encouraged sadness can lead to depression. Also saying that it's all right to be sad is not exactly correct, because it could the false impression that they can prologue, indulge themselves in that state, instead of taking action and control over their emotions.
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I'm talking about those who can't even lift their fork to eat because of all the crazy thoughts running through their heads.
Are those the only ones which are being labeled as insane? No Even thought I'm not so sure that those who behave like you described are all mentally ill, because the data you gave is insufficient. But yes, I understand where you're coming from. Still, I'll stick to my initial opinion and sustain that insanity is mostly socially defined.
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MushroomTrip said: Encouraged sadness can lead to depression. Also saying that it's all right to be sad is not exactly correct, because it could the false impression that they can prologue, indulge themselves in that state, instead of taking action and control over their emotions.
Well true, I don't see any virtue in encouraging people to be that way.
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MushroomTrip said: Are those the only ones which are being labeled as insane? No
I keep feeling like there's a context to what you're saying that I'm missing. Which people who are being labeled insane, and by whom? Are sane people labeled as insane sometimes? Yes. Are there enough instances to be worthy of mention? I'm not sure. I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe you're having some experiences relative to this that I'm not personally familiar with. 
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MushroomTrip said: Still, I'll stick to my initial opinion and sustain that insanity is mostly socially defined.
True, but I guess the real argument is whether such a definition is needful or legitimate. And referring to the issue you're speaking of, I don't think it is at all.
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I keep feeling like there's a context to what you're saying that I'm missing. Which people who are being labeled insane, and by whom? Are sane people labeled as insane sometimes? Yes. Are there enough instances to be worthy of mention? I'm not sure. I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe you're having some experiences relative to this that I'm not personally familiar with. 
Mostly people who behave unconventional, those who refuse to socialize or accept submitting to some social rules, those who choose to be unsociable. As opposed to those who conform, which are automatically considered sane and trust worthy. This measuring scale is far from being accurate, but still is widely spread and used. It's not a matter of being familiar with it or not, because we can see that by simply observing the near reality. If someone's behavior is somehow distorted from the commonly accepted norms, then, most likely, that person is being avoided, even if they would have more skills (let's say in doing a certain job) than another which subscribes to the rules. And which is the one who presents more credibility. 
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True, but I guess the real argument is whether such a definition is needful or legitimate. And referring to the issue you're speaking of, I don't think it is at all.
Not really. I think that this is worth mentioning and examined because it explicitly influences our lives, our level of awareness and in extent the choices we make. It's necessary to keep those things in mind because otherwise we're facing the risk of repeating the same mistakes that others did before us. How else can we learn and grow if we keep on sticking to a fixed and rusty definition on insanity? How can this help us in any way, if we want to improve our lives and be able to see people for what they are, not for what a characterization might tell us?
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Oh, I see what you're saying now.
Yeah, and those kinds of impressions are only regional. What might be sane to a culture across the world might be insane to our culture. Or it could vary even from one region of the country to another.
I couldn't agree more. Sometimes, too, people act controversial just to get others thinking, and nobody understands that. Or some people hide their intelligence so people don't expect too much of them and to remain humble. Alot of times that backfires, though, as the crowd only likes to recognize that which is obvious and shiny and out in the open. Hardly anybody really likes to think.
I've been labeled as crazy and stupid for most of my life. I think in a different fashion than most and tend to be very idealistic. The way I've survived is by having the quiet knowledge that I actually am intelligent and that others tend to be very assumptive. It still hurts though, because sometimes it fires on a level I wasn't expecting, and I wonder how somebody could actually believe I'm that senseless.
Of course, nobody likes to recognize that they may be wrong, especially if its concerns the legitimacy of a social norm, because they want to feel secure. They never stop to think that the other guy just might have a point too.
...*sigh*
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Edited by stellar renegade (09/24/07 12:06 AM)
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