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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7445233 - 09/23/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Encouraged sadness can lead to depression. Also saying that it's all right to be sad is not exactly correct, because it could the false impression that they can prologue, indulge themselves in that state, instead of taking action and control over their emotions.

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I'm talking about those who can't even lift their fork to eat because of all the crazy thoughts running through their heads.




Are those the only ones which are being labeled as insane? No
Even thought I'm not so sure that those who behave like you described are all mentally ill, because the data you gave is insufficient. But yes, I understand where you're coming from.
Still, I'll stick to my initial opinion and sustain that insanity is mostly socially defined.


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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7445272 - 09/23/07 07:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Encouraged sadness can lead to depression. Also saying that it's all right to be sad is not exactly correct, because it could the false impression that they can prologue, indulge themselves in that state, instead of taking action and control over their emotions.



Well true, I don't see any virtue in encouraging people to be that way.

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Are those the only ones which are being labeled as insane? No



I keep feeling like there's a context to what you're saying that I'm missing.  Which people who are being labeled insane, and by whom?  Are sane people labeled as insane sometimes?  Yes.  Are there enough instances to be worthy of mention?  I'm not sure.  I feel like I'm missing something.  Maybe you're having some experiences relative to this that I'm not personally familiar with. :shrug:

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Still, I'll stick to my initial opinion and sustain that insanity is mostly socially defined.



True, but I guess the real argument is whether such a definition is needful or legitimate.  And referring to the issue you're speaking of, I don't think it is at all.


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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7445360 - 09/23/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I keep feeling like there's a context to what you're saying that I'm missing. Which people who are being labeled insane, and by whom? Are sane people labeled as insane sometimes? Yes. Are there enough instances to be worthy of mention? I'm not sure. I feel like I'm missing something. Maybe you're having some experiences relative to this that I'm not personally familiar with. :shrug:




Mostly people who behave unconventional, those who refuse to socialize or accept submitting to some social rules, those who choose to be unsociable. As opposed to those who conform, which are automatically considered sane and trust worthy. This measuring scale is far from being accurate, but still is widely spread and used. It's not a matter of being familiar with it or not, because we can see that by simply observing the near reality. If someone's behavior is somehow distorted from the commonly accepted norms, then, most likely, that person is being avoided, even if they would have more skills (let's say in doing a certain job) than another which subscribes to the rules. And which is the one who presents more credibility. :rolleyes:

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True, but I guess the real argument is whether such a definition is needful or legitimate. And referring to the issue you're speaking of, I don't think it is at all.




Not really. I think that this is worth mentioning and examined because it explicitly influences our lives, our level of awareness and in extent the choices we make. It's necessary to keep those things in mind because otherwise we're facing the risk of repeating the same mistakes that others did before us. How else can we learn and grow if we keep on sticking to a fixed and rusty definition on insanity? How can this help us in any way, if we want to improve our lives and be able to see people for what they are, not for what a characterization might tell us?


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Re: Is insanity sane? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7446315 - 09/24/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I see what you're saying now.

Yeah, and those kinds of impressions are only regional. What might be sane to a culture across the world might be insane to our culture. Or it could vary even from one region of the country to another.

I couldn't agree more. Sometimes, too, people act controversial just to get others thinking, and nobody understands that. Or some people hide their intelligence so people don't expect too much of them and to remain humble. Alot of times that backfires, though, as the crowd only likes to recognize that which is obvious and shiny and out in the open. Hardly anybody really likes to think.

I've been labeled as crazy and stupid for most of my life. I think in a different fashion than most and tend to be very idealistic. The way I've survived is by having the quiet knowledge that I actually am intelligent and that others tend to be very assumptive. It still hurts though, because sometimes it fires on a level I wasn't expecting, and I wonder how somebody could actually believe I'm that senseless.

Of course, nobody likes to recognize that they may be wrong, especially if its concerns the legitimacy of a social norm, because they want to feel secure. They never stop to think that the other guy just might have a point too.

...*sigh*


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Edited by stellar renegade (09/24/07 12:06 AM)


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