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cactu
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mutation , ?
#7442277 - 09/22/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hello . i´m using the check spelling button it really works , i do not why i was so afraid to used , is like a new world to me, OK ok, here there are the mutants that is what appears


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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7442288 - 09/22/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: coon]
#7442299 - 09/22/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never seen anything like it.
Hey its my 1000th post, I am not a n00b anymore!!!
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you were a perdorker.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: coon]
#7442311 - 09/22/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> you are a perdorker.
I am pleased that I was able to rise to that level.
Thank you very much.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: coon]
#7442315 - 09/22/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah , i was thinking , this are great pins and few week later they have not open, and never do ,, only the stem elongates more and more , they release spores in the lower parts of the gills , change the color you can notice in some specimens , attempt to make a spore print where futile
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7442318 - 09/22/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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those are some crazy mushrooms cactu!
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Cactu, what makes you think these are mutants?? The consistency in macroscopic traits among all these specimens makes me think it might be a new species... again. Even patches of mutants, tend to have varied morphology of the fruiting bodies. Glad to see you have become aqcuainted with spell check!
Congrats Alan. I hope I'm invited to your stretch Hummer pool party- after all, i'll hit 6k here soon. For you:
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: CureCat]
#7442343 - 09/23/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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he hath risen beyond perdorker.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: CureCat]
#7442371 - 09/23/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah , a new specie will i have the pleasure to dialogate with you about mycological issues curecat,i will improve ,i have,i guess. is a new location yet in the immense forest that support the grow of PS zapotecorum at first i told you i speck this one to open and show me the zapotecorum face , but nooo, you can see the dates,but was not able to post then since where is my friends camera are a bit old i was today in that place and not find as many as in that dates in fact i have encounter these mutation before but not pay attention to much , well , this is a trace i´m beginning to see in many thing , someone remember balloon panaeolus,also , but only in my imagination it come to mind werakoa , don´t get me wrong this are not close to werakoa just, this type of mutation , lets call it like that don´t let the cap to open freely, some mutation like that i have seem in semilanceata in pictures have you .
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7442384 - 09/23/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cactu said: this is a trace i´m beginning to see in many thing , someone remember balloon panaeolus
Yeah, Workman figured out that they are Panaeolopsis, a secotioid relative to Panaeolus.
Last week I handed off a specimen to Dennis Desjardin, I'll be curious to hear his thoughts on the issue.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7443152 - 09/23/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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woot awesome
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7443230 - 09/23/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cactu your mushrooms are almost as crazy as you.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7443450 - 09/23/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe they need to name the new species after you like: Panaeolus Cactu, or Psilocybe Cactu. HA HA! Good Vibes sent your way!
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: nushroom]
#7444669 - 09/23/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the habitat is under the roots of a alnus tree that fall to the side and xposed the root systems and they grow from there
 they never open this one is releasing spores in lower part of the gills

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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7444715 - 09/23/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really intersting pics. When it is a mutation it is really an beauty one. When this is an new species they come from space 
Im sure they are hardcore strong, did you eat them?
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no i haven´t friend, because those are the only one i have found so far , but they don´t see as potent as the zapotecorum , those thing make my mouth to blue , amazing never seem that in a psilocybe, i will love to see some test in this ones, maybe azurescens is more potent but one of this mushrooms is easy 3 or 4 azurescens by mass. and big don´t mean less potent, guess there is no a more potent mushrooms maybe in the world
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7445022 - 09/23/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn cactu, is there anything you haven't found?
Very nice, thanks for posting.
O, do you use Internet explorer as a web browser? Try fire fox, it has a spellchecker built into it (case you didn't know )
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well i do what i can about the finding, i mean ;about spellcheck i will using it more often you will see i love to communicate and learn so i´m learning i remember how much time it took me to post my first post , i stayed a while in the back round , just looking , now i can interact with you, and learn more, thank you Louise Louise . did you ever have a wish so strong that it became real!
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7445187 - 09/23/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The novelty of Cactus' english has enchanted me. that, and the fact that he finds crazy new mushrooms all the time.
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Cactu, you are blessed!
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i wonder what will happened of my life if i have not the opportunity to try magic, an not only in entheogenics substances , i guess i will be dead in the soul by now , life is so wonderful, so immense when i begging study biology after i quit industrial engineering , not my style, i begging to understand, in that same time i was beginning to use entheogenic substances , all i learn in the book i could prove in mi mind and more yet i discover places in the mind that i was thinking all people access , but know i´m beginning to think some people not experience mushrooms as a immense change in soul and in mind, sometime i ask my friend what did you see, they don´t look noting maybe colors, natural distortion , the basic, but have you foreseen the future, see the past , took to your dad,see what your friend where doing in some place else, this is just the beginning , visit a special place in your mind where internet access is just a simple play of kid, you can download anything you want did any one notice how many mushroom are being discover, few have did any one notice,how the vibrations are more faster life seem more faster , since 94 i begging to notice , i was thinking is just i´m getting old ,i´m starting to think , is a global change, did you notice how weather is changing, did you notice, how all the people with same Wave length are getting together, did you notice, how war is not the solution did you notice, you can go back the mushrooms told this or that , you can go back, did you notice, something in the air did you notice, the city's make you sick did you notice the beauty of all creations in nature did you notice perfection in all the chaos did you notice we are getting smarter and smarter, and more significant we are gaining emotional intelligence, you can be very smart but still kill yourself and your friends did you notice in your dreams mushrooms communicate with you have you see then ? did you notice how the world is getting better and better did you notice, why all this have to end. did you notice others cultures an fell something you can explain did you look at night to the stars did you notice the alien are with us did you notice the genesis can a genetic experiment did you notice you are special did you notice you can not be fool now did you notice the star and what you see did you notice that if you were the president of the world things will be different did you notice, where are going to the ultimate step in evolutions and mushrooms are the key to advance to that society
don´t go changing the world , change yourself and the world around you. will change
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7445466 - 09/23/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said, per se'.
As for your first paragraph, just read my sig.
-------------------- My favorites are weeping willows, which aren't really weeping at all. They're very wispy, witty and will dance in the breeze with you. Nothing like a tree that wants to dance with you. Although it doesn't like its thin limbs being pulled at all, it absolutely LOVES it when you walk through them, letting them gently slide over your face and shoulders. If you're naked, the willow considers it to be sex. It will orgasm on your mind and you will blow dream chunks into outer space. All very fun until your neighbor sees you. -The Joekenorer
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yeah that got me inspired. thank you for downloading , and sharing
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7448124 - 09/24/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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cactu = mushroom hunter of the year.
Your finds really should be viewed as an inspiration for all the dedicated mycophiles to view their hobby as an exploratory field where much of the map remains terra incognita. Realize there is room amateurs and professionals alike to make great contributions. After focusing on the indigenous species within your given region you will likely discover their is an ever widening vacuum of knowledge.
I live in an area that isn't generally thought of as a haven for mushrooms however over the past ten years the number of documented species has swelled by nearly 100%. This was accomplished by the efforts of about five dedicated individuals within a relatively small geographic area. I can't help but wonder what could have been discovered if we had 20 or 100 or 1,000 people taking a genuine interest.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: georgeM]
#7449508 - 09/24/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hello , the wind of change are here, the air , , the sun have move in the horizon more and more, the time to go back to earth is felt , i know this magic have to go to all the others part of the world , is beginning the season of the north , and the creatures, still have a few lesson to show , time to think , and time to save some energy for the dry times , i say thank you to all of you , to inspired me in this guest, in my vision guest , i learn many thing , sharing here with you all, sometimes i fell like a puppet where a high force move me, is hard to say your felling with out someone fell you being adulatory, ,my road is long the mushrooms have told me ,i speak with the true , with my heart you can fell it in all my post, i don´t fell shame to cry or love , i´m not hyppy , hyppy die long time ago at least that moment don´t get me wrong hyppy friends , i´m just human , i behave as such , have learn from the best master , but really i don´t know noting , noting , but i will be enlighten if my experience could influence the life of others , this is the only thing that really make you fell worth it , not money, and powers, no after all we all going to dye some day , when that day come to me , if it is tomorrow i will be happy to be alive , i´m almost 31 , my first trip was when i was 15 , this change my life totally , is been to the conscience use of this tools , this symbiont's because i guess what it is a symbiont,is a creature, so strange, many have fell to the enchanted or magic of mushrooms ,, hha i say , in ironic way they get your soul, but is not like that, i like when you marry someone , but more different of course , both are conscious about the union , both benefice about the relationship, is a symbiont, then ,i also say ironic, you begging to search in odd places, in your free time , then the worst part(more ironic), you begging dreaming with then , that is where you are doom (remember this most be understood in opposite way instead of doom you are bless), yeah , the dream part is exhausting , day after day sometimes , night after night, well since i was being ironic now i Will speak with the true , now i fell great to go to sleep, like a kid happy to something new, i know i will dream with then , i fell A joy so immense about dreaming now , but you are very right GeorgeM if where where 20 or more working , and we are , we are getting together more and more , step by step, well just have to say thank you GREAT SPIRITS, THANK YOU ALL MIGHTY, THANK YOU BIG MYSTERY
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7449685 - 09/24/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably a Psilocybe cactu. Send it to Guzman and Workman!
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yeah i'd second that cactu. Very impressive. You have probably done more for the genus psilocybe in the past years than many professional mycologists...
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DONE
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7485021 - 10/04/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hello i like to post all the pictures of this tread an new ones so you can observe with more details the pictures. also i like to get rid of all my last pictures, also i like to ask you cure cat is OK i keep uploading pictures or should i start to worry about delete some, jaja , really , yesterday rain so i´m happy hope you like the revival of this tread....
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7485041 - 10/04/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cactu!!! You the man!! Awesome pictures!
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: fliped]
#7485293 - 10/04/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those are some of the strangest magic mushrooms ive ever seen. You dont even know if its a separate species? thinking mutations?
Well it looks completely alien to any other shrooms ive seen you post pics of... not like the zapotecorum or the villareali at all.
I do believe it is a psilocybe but what attributes does it share with psilocybes that you have noticed other than having active alkaloids?
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7485548 - 10/04/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love the alien look of those They remind me a bit of a semilanceata "mutation" (don't know if it really is a mutation) i once found

Unusual thick stem and tiny cap..
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fliped thanks man
Those are some of the strangest magic mushrooms ive ever seen. You dont even know if its a separate species? thinking mutations?
me too , this is for sure a psilocybe , for the spores and all feutures, no doub , what i doub is in what section could it be they have the stem of the zapotecorum , but the cap is like anything i have seem before, i have read about some mutation of muliercula in veracruz that guzman is studyng and is a new specie,soon to be publish, maybe is something over there i hopé workman get this specie soon , ans tell us more about it , i guess guzman will take more time.
i like you post that picture kaal-kopje, i don´t now where i have seen some mutation of semilanceata , have you notice some specimen that not open , and not produce spores i know that semilanceata not produce too much spores, but sometimes i have seem this , also to mention balloon paneolopsis, werakoa, and some others, we can only speculate but is fun to do so...
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
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upload as many photos as you are allowed- there is a maximum bk amount per day, but other than that, keep the photos coming! Hopefully we'll get to see the high res version soon!
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: CureCat]
#7612519 - 11/08/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Appears to be Psilocybe zapotecorum based on the microscopic features but does resemble P. barrerae in the cheliocystidia. Spores 5.5-7.2 x 3.2-4.0 microns. The reduced gills of the dried sample were very difficult to work with.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, YEAH CAPS ON CC, I ´M YELLING .
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
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Those are such cool mushrooms... I wonder what they are. Is there a cultivation attempt in this mushrooms future??
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: CureCat]
#7613488 - 11/09/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is the habitat of the mutant Psilocybe zapotecorum:

This is me, photographing the mutants:

Cactu:

The spot where these mushrooms grow is really hard to get to. They only place they grow on this one mass of tree roots, way down by the water. It is 100 yards from the big P. zapotecorum patch, so it is not surprising that they resemble that species microscopically.










These mushrooms blued more than any mushroom I had ever seen. When I cut them open they turned a deep shade of cobalt within one second.




They are really, really blue:

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that blueing is truly astounding. i've not seen such intensity even in P. azurescens.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: canid]
#7613815 - 11/09/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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bioassay?
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: jeetered]
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This shrooms are awesome. I hope its an new species and not an mutation.
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Those pics of the blueing made my day. Amazing
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7616883 - 11/09/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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does anyone know what the function is for the jelly-like substance in the cap?
That is one amazing fungus. I envy you cactu.
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Prankster239 said: This shrooms are awesome. I hope its an new species and not an mutation.
I think we were all wishing that one Prankster. Sadly, Workman did the microscopy earlier in the thread and said they seem to be mutant zapotecorums. I wish it were only a new species. Keep your fingers crossed. I can only wonder at the potency.
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Psilocybe zapotecorum is extremely variable in its described features and is difficult to pin down. At the very least this specimen is very closely related to P. zapotecorum. A comparison with normal specimens from the same locality will help with the determination. Even if it isn't a new species, it is still a unique variant and well worth a cultivation attempt.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
#7618796 - 11/10/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jeettered said:bioassay? subbedhunter420 said: I can only wonder at the potency.
bioassay will be perform next year, i did my contibution to the science , my job is done. well now is time to enjoy the find , but i will wait for next year i have few dry ones but i like to try fresh ones for a real contac with psilocybe ..
Drewwyann said: does anyone know what the function is for the jelly-like substance in the cap?
you may refer the pictures of alan that the mushrooms are open in two is just they are pretty wet that´s all , there is no jelly substance , there, i have notice also in zapotecorun sometimes they have lot of water inside the stem ..
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
#7636917 - 11/14/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Preliminary microscopy of cactu's Psilocybe zapotecorum specimens. I didn't add the central pictures of the mushrooms yet because I wasn't 100% sure which ones are which.
The composite below is of a large specimen of Psilocybe zapotecorum. Spores are around 6.5-7.4 micrometers. A bit larger than the mutant's spores but more in line with published descriptions for P. zapotecorum (5.5)6.6-7.1(8.8). This specimen also has very large, abundant and distinctive Pleurocystidia.

This next specimen was labeled Nippled Psilocybe zapotecorum. The spores are slightly smaller at 5.5-7.0 micrometers, which is closer to the mutant's spore size (5.5-7.2) and the cheliocystidia are very similar in form and size to the mutant. I am thinking now I have the wrong structure identified as a pleurocystidium in the mutant composite and will look again to see if I can find matching pleurocystidia. The mutant specimens are hard to work with as the gills are much reduced.

What all this seems to suggest is that the top composite is authentic Psilocybe zapotecorum and the nippled and mutant are another closely related but distinct species (maybe Psilocybe barrerae). The mutant appears to be a mutation, but of the nippled species and not of P. zapotecorum. Isn't this fun?
My earlier assessment that the mutant was Psilocybe zapotecorum seems to have been premature. Although it is in the Section Zapotecorum and is a close relative, I now have my doubts on its identity. Especially now that I have looked at a specimen that is a closer match to the description for P zapotecorum. Hopefully I can pin down an exact species in the near future. Psilocybe barrerae looks possible with good matches with the cheliocystidia and the pleurocystidia with the finger-like extensions
Comparisons of Pleurocystidia
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: canid]
#7638337 - 11/15/07 04:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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truely breathtaking species and pictures. That blueing is insane!
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thank you , thank you. i´m craying right now of happyness
i s like i was blind all the time , and i starting to see shadow and few colors, at leats i was able to determinate what look like in macroscopoc appearence, but are very variable i would´t be surprise if a new specie is there , or more variant. i know ps zapotecorum is one of the biggest mushrooms of the genus psilocybe in the world . guzman said that in his master peice the genus psilocybe , so the species i have found with caps of 14 centimeter wide , and 26 cm long in the stem , are really amazing also this big ones only grow in the other side of the river , i like in one side of the river was one poblation the small zapotecorum and niples ones and also the ps. villareallii or what look like , then in the vertical wall are some zapotecorum and few crazy ones as the niples one, then you pass to the other side and is the monster area , this are the big , caespitosa.cluster. i have show all the time that are bigert than mi face all the time , this ones always grow in groups, have pseudoryzza and some how something diferent , this also remind me of the place where the supost laurae and villareally grow there must be growing also many species, . thank you workman , every time we are more closer , and more happy.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7639913 - 11/15/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, I spent some more time with the mutant under the microscope and I can't see any of the large pleurocystidia which are obvious on the other 2 samples. So I guess that blows the theory that the nippled mushroom and the mutant are the same species. Maybe the mutation is affecting the microscopic structures. The next step is to search the literature for a matching description and a cultivation attempt.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
#7643673 - 11/16/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well ,that is more comprehensive for me , i mean the nipples are not as close to the mutant , the mutant are really strange for sure, and grow very big sometimes like a long stick . like in the first pictures of this tread . thank you work man , keep me up date about cultivation attempt and to see if they can interbreed with each others , that would probe are different species, or really related ,well also DNA study but we can perform that later, + all my best vibration my friend
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7643745 - 11/16/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am compiling everything I can find in the Zapotecorum Section into one easy to reference document. This should help pin down likely species for these samples. I find it maddening how Guzman organizes his descriptions and having to look through 4 or more references (1 in Spanish) isn't easy. This should be done next week or so.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#7680173 - 11/25/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like a Psilocybe zapotecorum mutation resembling the Penis Envy strain of cubensis.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#8195752 - 03/26/08 09:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to bring up an old thread i was wondering if anyone knew the outcome to this and what it was declared if anything.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: grod31]
#8196068 - 03/26/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe they were just simply mutated zapotecorum. Like someone mentioned before, its like the penis envy srain for Zapotecorum.
Thats what I heard last about this. Workman was the one doing the microscopy so he would know for sure.
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No, it was never identified. It is probably a new species rather than a mutant.
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My earlier assessment that the mutant was Psilocybe zapotecorum seems to have been premature. Although it is in the Section Zapotecorum and is a close relative, I now have my doubts on its identity. Especially now that I have looked at a specimen that is a closer match to the description for P zapotecorum. Hopefully I can pin down an exact species in the near future. Psilocybe barrerae looks possible with good matches with the cheliocystidia and the pleurocystidia with the finger-like extensions
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Ok, I spent some more time with the mutant under the microscope and I can't see any of the large pleurocystidia which are obvious on the other 2 samples. So I guess that blows the theory that the nippled mushroom and the mutant are the same species. Maybe the mutation is affecting the microscopic structures. The next step is to search the literature for a matching description and a cultivation attempt.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: CureCat]
#8196663 - 03/26/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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> i was wondering if anyone knew the outcome to this and what it was declared if anything.
I think it is a new species. Its a different habitat than the zapotecorums, growing only behind this one tree stump right next to the water. They blue much quicker and look quite a bit different.
One big flood and its gone forever. The samples Cactu and I collected last september did not dry properly and rotted, I hope to get some better material this year.
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Thats tragic. A new species that might never be seen again. And I wonder how they still exist in such rarity...
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I am still planning to extract some spores from the samples for a cultivation attempt. It isn't lost yet.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: Workman]
#8199897 - 03/27/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i hope it goes well, is there a possibility we'll be seeing these show up on spore works?
those are incredible specimens, the bluing is absolutely astounding.
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: doitagain]
#8201275 - 03/27/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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it was real nice to see all this thread again , and read it all , iam one of the person that believe that knowledge should be spread to all the world , iam convince of a higher purpose , i always try to spread this idea, and to fire up the light of us, is the same as with this incredible find , how are the odds to find something like this again , if my intentions are correct we are going to find more and more this species i do all i can to try not this as "my" find, some people are jealous of their find for me is matter of share it or loose it , give it and it will come back, iam so happy that few are working on this Gaston may never reply but i know i did my contribution to science, workman may isolate the strain, and iam specially please by the work of pranskter his great personality are the reflections of their work , he had much success with many species i provide him , now i know when thing are special .this year i will try this mushrooms , i still have a few for someone else that like to try cultivations attempt. i don't want this to be loose in the history of time, that place where this mushrooms grow is sacred ,el lugar sagrado i call it , is my probe that something mysterious is out there and i have only see it for few minutes i got a glimpse of the true , but if any of you are believer you will understand what is to dream about then and then found then, the culmination of a dream come true , from this find i knew my life will change and i was part of a big change in the world , yes why not where are all connected , believe me when i said this mushrooms or at least the zapotecorum are something to really study more further , i hope i can get in touch with people doing study of the minds and using mushrooms since this mushrooms have the capability to open heaven as the India's said, why is that so , i guess is a mystery . or maybe is the work of all shamans that imprint in the genetic code of this mushrooms a message , no any other mushrooms is like this one, hope people don't think is ego from my side , is just is,i once told to Gaston Guzman that we have to do something to try to save all the species that where almost extinct in the genus psilocybe , but he told me that i was going to loose my time growing then that it was too difficult and i never succeed i got so angry at him that i did not took to him for 2 years , in that moment psilocybe villarealae grow in my house maybe in a natural way since i always put spores and stem butt and use sawdust and organic matter , trying to cultivate him , one day iwas in my garden i notice this 2 big mushrooms they where sporulating already and very big , i drop in mi knee and drops of tear fall of my eyes was so incredible felling that my body express always with that type of emotions , i fell that they where communicating with me, in a way , they last until the second year when i decide to take a piece of mycelium and try to propagate and apparently i kill the mycelium because i use different sawdust , but was a lesson , then in those year i always dream about knew species of psilocybe as today thank to the spirits still do , then i was looking for the zapotecorum for 3 years , the day we found it , i fell their presence, believe me is something you fell , i knew in that place something was calling me. but i can not go there because other people where already there locals, so we turn around , but i wait until all where gone and tell my friend lets go now to that place , i was looking for 2 or 3 meter of distance , the moment i saw a big monstrous cluster , i got a flash of light i fell a immense sensation, a strange happiness surround all of us , i have never fell like that even on mushrooms. then when i approach and all approach we begging to find that what we found was not a causality was a big field of mushrooms a big mycelium , a immense being and old one, i was no 2 specimen or some, it was a hole place in the forest, that they dominate, i have never seem something like it , every time i learn more and more only to look at the habitat ,and the size of this thing are tremendous, noting is as big as they are . no even in pictures i have see the big size as this mushrooms , what also tell me that to get this size the mycelium must be real big , no doubt , this will be the second year of this find i will try to study all i can , help in the way i can this mushrooms, try to listen more, he is always toking but i sometimes don't listen , i will my mushrooms friend i guaranty ................
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Re: mutation , ? [Re: cactu]
#8201408 - 03/27/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice one cactu!
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