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About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked!
#7441720 - 09/22/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel have read most of what there is to be read in the FAQs etc and feel ready to take the plunge into the world of whole grain utilization.
I would just like to get some nods of relative approval and some reassurance before embarking. I know there are a multitude of ways to do this stuff, but if I could get reassured on my chosen plan it'd help. I have a few questions as well. Here's the rough plan:
-Get whole grain -Soak for 12-24 hours -Simmer accordingly (~1 hour?) -Strain & rinse excess starch -Put in jars with shaking room allowed & pressure cook -Inoculate & let colonize, shaking a couple times throughout the process
-After full colonization, break up and spread over 1" pre-moistened/pre-sterilized layer of 50/50 peat moss/vermiculite
-Spread another 1" layer of this 50/50 ontop of the grain layer.
-Cover and let colonize. Induce fruiting when mycelium breaks through top layer.
Good? Well, after you tell me what you think of the outline -
I have some questions:
1. How do you sterilize the rubbermaid casing/fruiting bin before any substrate is put in? Is rubbing with alcohol good enough?
2. Is there any other substitute for the 50/50 mix aside from using straw/manure/compost that you would recommend over the 50/50 mix?
3. After mycelium emerges from the top substrate layer, is any fanning necessary? And if so, does one have to mist after fanning?
Thank you SO much in advance.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7441790 - 09/22/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds good
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7441887 - 09/22/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, as I sift through more info I have concluded (lemme know if I'm wrong):
-Fanning should be done from the initiation of fruiting and on, but *not* before you see the mycelium on the top layer. (I'm still shaky on the fanning part)
-Some people may need to supplement their casing moisture if they live in a dry area with a layer of moist perlite at the bottom of the casing container.
And as I read about sterilization of fruiting chambers I get confused because I see the container must be microwavable or bakeable - but why then do I see large containers (rubbermaids) used in casing techniques?
Thanks
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Edited by VisionsToReality (09/22/07 09:54 PM)
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7442064 - 09/22/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, here goes....
-Get whole grain......... What grain are you going with? Rye seed, Rye feed, WBS, etc. etc.?
-Soaking......... longer than 12 is better just to sure.
-Simmering....... I find that simmering for 30 min is just fine
-Put in jars with shaking room......... Don't forget to let it strain overnight! You don't want too much moisture in your jars
pressure cook for 90 min at 15PSI
Inoculation procedures look fine.
After full colonization, spread 1" over pre-moistened pasteurized, (not sterilized), layer of 50/50 mix of coir and vermiculite, not peat and vermiculite. Peat is used in casing layers not bulk substrate layers.
-Cover and let colonize before inducing fruiting. Where is the casing layer?
Those are my comments........ I hope it helps.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7442082 - 09/22/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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oo i hate waiting for it to drain, i towel dry those bitches and only Pressurecook for 60 minutes, since my buddy gets pissed off about the loud ass noise
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7442179 - 09/22/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wutang said: oo i hate waiting for it to drain, i towel dry those bitches and only Pressurecook for 60 minutes, since my buddy gets pissed off about the loud ass noise
LOL! I know what you mean! I tried the towel thing once and ended up with WBS EVERYWHERE! Not a pretty sight. I've learned patience in this hobby if anything. I'd tell your buddy to get a grip or he wont get any when its all said and done! LOL!
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7442263 - 09/22/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7442363 - 09/23/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: -Get whole grain
Once again, WBS, Rye, what?
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-Soak for 12-24 hours -Simmer accordingly (~1 hour?) -Strain & rinse excess starch -Put in jars with shaking room allowed & pressure cook
I only soak for 12 hours and don't simmer. However, I spawn to a hpoo-based mixture. I like to keep my grains relatively dry so that they colonize quickly to be prepared for spawning. You'll need someone who is more experienced with spawning straight from grain for this one.
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-Inoculate & let colonize, shaking a couple times throughout the process
You only need to shake once at about 15% colonization. Everytime, you shake you are destroying the mycelium network which then has to expend time and energy to regrow. Shaking more than once just slows things down
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-After full colonization, break up and spread over 1" pre-moistened/pre-sterilized layer of 50/50 peat moss/vermiculite -Spread another 1" layer of this 50/50 ontop of the grain layer.
You do not need a casing layer underneath your grains, only above. And most people don't generally sterilize their casing material, they pasteurize it.
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-Cover and let colonize. Induce fruiting when mycelium breaks through top layer.
... More or less
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1. How do you sterilize the rubbermaid casing/fruiting bin before any substrate is put in? Is rubbing with alcohol good enough?
Works for me
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2. Is there any other substitute for the 50/50 mix aside from using straw/manure/compost that you would recommend over the 50/50 mix?
First, straw/manure/compost is not a casing material. It is a bulk substrate. Once your grain jars are fully colonized, you can break them up and mix them with a bulk substrate to further expand your mycelium. However, an alternative to 50/50 for the lazy man is Miracle Grow Moisture Control from just about any garden center/hardware store.
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3. After mycelium emerges from the top substrate layer, is any fanning necessary? And if so, does one have to mist after fanning?
Definitely. Fresh air exchange (FAE) is one of the biggest factors in fruiting. You should be providing fresh air as soon as you are ready to initiate pinning until you eventually throw your spent substrate away.
Good luck and keep reading up on the basics!
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: soulsizzle]
#7443105 - 09/23/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help everyone.
I guess I am still confused between what casing is and what bulk substrate is:
I thought casing was increasing yield by encouraging mycelial growth in a *non-nutritive casing* substrate (Ex: 50peat/50vermiculite)
I thought bulk substrate was inoculating (usually by grain) a nutritive substrate (such as straw/poop/compost).
Can someone set me straight, if this is wrong? I have a feeling I got part of it, but I'm missing a part at the same time.
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Edited by VisionsToReality (09/23/07 08:11 AM)
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: soulsizzle]
#7443196 - 09/23/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: You do not need a casing layer underneath your grains, only above. And most people don't generally sterilize their casing material, they pasteurize it.
If you do not need a casing layer underneath, what goes underneath? Moist perlite or moist vermiculite...does that work?
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443199 - 09/23/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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nothing, everytime i put on a bottom layer, it wastes time cause it colonizes the bottom. so if you dont put anything there, it doesnt have anything to colonize
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7443217 - 09/23/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very interesting...cool
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443225 - 09/23/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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OH ONE MORE THING that i messed up on my first case remember to BLOCK ALL THE LIGHT ON THE SIDES side and bottom pinning sucks ass
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443226 - 09/23/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought casing was increasing yield by encouraging mycelial growth in a *non-nutritive casing* substrate (Ex: 50peat/50vermiculite)
Right, the casing is applied to the top of a fully colonized substrate, is it generally non-nutritive. I would suggest 50/50 verm/peat, but using the term "casing substrate" becomes confusing, so we refer to them as casing materials.
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I thought bulk substrate was inoculating (usually by grain) a nutritive substrate (such as straw/poop/compost).
Correct!
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: simplemachine]
#7443232 - 09/23/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok great, thank you for clearin that up. So I assume bulk substrate is better, quicker, and bigger yields than casing because of its nutrients, right?
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443248 - 09/23/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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uh huh
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443255 - 09/23/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, and when you spawn a single WBS jar that would have made maybe half a casing to a big tray of bulk sub, you have increased you cropping space significantly.
BTW I don't see the point in casing a straight grain. Those jars are so much better used to spawn coir/poo/ect.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: simplemachine]
#7443260 - 09/23/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow i've never heard of casing a straight grain sounds like failure..spawning is way better
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7443262 - 09/23/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber if it's a large rubbermaid - just rub with alcohol?
And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them?
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443269 - 09/23/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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pressure cook, you only pasturize the substrate
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7443270 - 09/23/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wutang said: wow i've never heard of casing a straight grain sounds like failure..spawning is way better
Ok, thanks for telling me. By spawning you mean putting myceliated grain into a bulk substrate - right?
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443281 - 09/23/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol yes, put it in layers like lasanga or however you spell it
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443298 - 09/23/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them?
Oh PC for sure. Grain w/o a PC is a road to heartache.
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So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber if it's a large rubbermaid - just rub with alcohol?
Fruiting chambers, greenhouses, closets where you keep them, NONE of it has to be sterile, just clean is good enough.
@ wutang - to post as much as you do and not have heard of that is nuts.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7443343 - 09/23/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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K thanks I think I'm done with questions for now..gotta read up on the bulk substrate and pasteurizing though, I haven't done that. Which will prob. lead to more q's but I hope not. Thanks a lot dudes
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7443375 - 09/23/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Casing straight grains is fine. It leads to harvest much sooner. You could get a larger harvest by spawning your grains to bulk substrate, but laying the colonized grains into a tray and casing them works very well. It's the old standard. Grains must be sterilized. Bulk substrates and casing material are best pasteurized. RR
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7443531 - 09/23/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So if I have this right:
The whole grain is the main protein for the mycelium/shrooms, and the bulk substrate is like the micro climate/nutrient provider for the mycelium?
Is this why one could not just use whole grain (same as what they used in their jars) as a bulk substrate - because it'd be a bad micro climate? Or could you do that?...
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7445833 - 09/23/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bulk substrates serve the exact same purpose as your grains do. They both provide the food for the mycelium to grow. Bulk substrates are essentially just a means to expand your mycelium network further. This is why bulk substrates are more suited to relatively larger crops than straight grains. However, you cannot simply inoculated a bulk substrate with a spore syringe. This is why users of bulk substrate begin with grain jars and then spawn to their bulk substrate. Bulk subs also hold moisture better. This is not the "micro-climate" that you refer to above. The casing layers sole purpose is to provide this micro-climate. A casing layer should not provide any nutrients to your mycelium but only act as another source of water.
Additionally, using bulk substrates is certainly not faster. After waiting for your grain jars to fully colonize, now you have to wait for your bulk substrate to fully colonize as well. However, as many will tell you, patience is a virtue in this hobby and you will be rewarded well if you practice it.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7446188 - 09/23/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i'm learning too... thanks!
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7446382 - 09/24/07 12:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber if it's a large rubbermaid - just rub with alcohol?
And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them?
Holy Jesus! There is so much confusion here!
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So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber
You don't pasteurize a fruiting chamber! you sanitize it, "at best", with alcohol or a surface disinfectant. and Quote:
And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them
you sterilize jars before inoculation by pressure cooking them.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7446470 - 09/24/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The shroomy 1 said:
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VisionsToReality said: So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber if it's a large rubbermaid - just rub with alcohol?
And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them?
Holy Jesus! There is so much confusion here!
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So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber
You don't pasteurize a fruiting chamber! you sanitize it, "at best", with alcohol or a surface disinfectant. and Quote:
And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them
you sterilize jars before inoculation by pressure cooking them.
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: Blutjager]
#7446665 - 09/24/07 05:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7449428 - 09/24/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha. Whoa. Well good I understand now how it all goes. I swear, for a beginner, it's kind of hard sorting out all these steps & techniques just arriving to the site. Jumping around the FAQs and techniques didn't really do it for me. But that's why you good people are here so thanks =)
Anyways this is what I've decided at the moment -
Cambodian strain Wild bird seed grain (rhymes) Compost substrate (and maybe hay?)
3 things with that -
1) Does it matter what kind of hay I get - I may not be able to find out. I thought I remember in my reading here only to get particular types of hay..but does it really matter that much?
2) What function does the hay serve - why would it be better to use hay+compost rather than just compost?
3) If I can't find hay and only can find compost, what'd be good to substitute for the hay?
I figure this plan should work as long as I follow the basic rules of zee bulk substrate. Yes?
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Edited by VisionsToReality (09/24/07 09:37 PM)
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7449547 - 09/24/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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use hay you see pumpkin patches, fuck timothy hay, i heard that contams
remember straw is just an additional ingrediant, not needed like a cupcake with sprinkles, it doesnt need them but it makes it better i'd rather use coir than compost, coir+coffee+straw poo coir coffee and straw makes monsters, they just love shit!!
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7465263 - 09/28/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok: First off, that's a sweet bin; I'm inspired and envious =)
At this point I'm confused on how to prepare an inoculated substrate in the large rubbermaid.
Hypothetical situation: I have compost/hay available (I'll add coir if I can get it) for the substrate. (Vermiculite is easily obtainable if needed)
Lets say I pasteurized this substrate - WBS jars are fully colonized - and I have a sterile large rubber maid bin.
Ok, now what? 1. I need to know exactly how to inoculate the substrate with the WBS (Do I mix WBS through ought the substrate? Or do I make layers of substrate and WBS in some sort of fashion?)
2. How deep should the resulting substrate/WBS mixture or layering be once in the rubbermaid?
3. Would it be beneficial to cover the whole substrate with a casing layer such as vermiculite, after the substrate is inoculated with the WBS?
4. After this is all prepared, I cover the rubbermaid with a piece of saran wrap (do I poke holes in it?) and wait until it is time to initiate fruiting - correct? Or do I have to provide fresh air BEFORE I initiate pinning?
5. Coffee: Do you mean liquid coffee, or used coffee grounds?
THANK YOU so much for your patience. I'm really glad I have you good people to help me with starting out.
I apologize for asking so many questions. I'm just the type of semi obsessive person who wants these things planned out and detailed so I know exactly what I'm doing every step of the way. I do the exact same annoying thing in labratory settings, lol.
Edited by VisionsToReality (09/28/07 07:10 PM)
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7465333 - 09/28/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i understand man, its like, no one helped most of us, we had to learn all that crap. read read read, it is the best! but i can help you, im interested in seeing your grows if you have a camera.
-layers, mixing isnt great because the mycelium is broken and needs to repair, layers the mycelium can knit back together and take off growing.
what ever depth you want, just dont go over 6 inches
of course it is!! just let the sub get fully colonized verm is the best
no need to even put wrap on
no air!! no light!! until you fruit
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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
#7465370 - 09/28/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok thanks a lot and pics will be available when the time comes!
So this is what I envision:
Bottom Layer = Substrate (2") Middle Layer = WBS spread evenly as possible (1-2" ?) Top Layer = Substrate (2")
Let fully colonize, throw on a layer of 1/2" vermiculite (moistened to field capacity), and fruit when mycel. pokes thru.
Cool?
Also:
I'm at the end of my question-rope almost:
-Is it OK if I place a plastic sheet or even tinfoil over the rubbermaid top to keep airborne contaminants from being introduced?
-Is it OK if this is an airtight seal for the 2 or so weeks it'll take to fully colonize the substrate?
I have a good amount of plants I grow, and fertilize with fish ferts. Some of the soil is from OUTDOORS (yikes) and if that soil gets moist, BAM - I have cobweb mold on the top. Which normally isn't a problem, but now....it may be.
I also have some other organic stuff like dead dried cat tails hangin around as decoration.
So, I'm worried about airborne contams given the ease of cobweb mold I see growing. I keep my place as clean as I can, but the presence of these plants/organic material worries me somewhat.
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