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About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked!
    #7441720 - 09/22/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I feel have read most of what there is to be read in the FAQs etc and feel ready to take the plunge into the world of whole grain utilization.

I would just like to get some nods of relative approval and some reassurance before embarking. I know there are a multitude of ways to do this stuff, but if I could get reassured on my chosen plan it'd help. I have a few questions as well. Here's the rough plan:

-Get whole grain
-Soak for 12-24 hours
-Simmer accordingly (~1 hour?)
-Strain & rinse excess starch
-Put in jars with shaking room allowed & pressure cook
-Inoculate & let colonize, shaking a couple times throughout the process

-After full colonization, break up and spread over 1" pre-moistened/pre-sterilized layer of 50/50 peat moss/vermiculite

-Spread another 1" layer of this 50/50 ontop of the grain layer.

-Cover and let colonize. Induce fruiting when mycelium breaks through top layer.


Good? Well, after you tell me what you think of the outline -

I have some questions:


1. How do you sterilize the rubbermaid casing/fruiting bin before any substrate is put in? Is rubbing with alcohol good enough?

2. Is there any other substitute for the 50/50 mix aside from using straw/manure/compost that you would recommend over the 50/50 mix?

3. After mycelium emerges from the top substrate layer, is any fanning necessary? And if so, does one have to mist after fanning?

Thank you SO much in advance.


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7441790 - 09/22/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

sounds good

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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
    #7441887 - 09/22/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, as I sift through more info I have concluded (lemme know if I'm wrong):

-Fanning should be done from the initiation of fruiting and on, but *not* before you see the mycelium on the top layer. (I'm still shaky on the fanning part)

-Some people may need to supplement their casing moisture if they live in a dry area with a layer of moist perlite at the bottom of the casing container.


And as I read about sterilization of fruiting chambers I get confused because I see the container must be microwavable or bakeable - but why then do I see large containers (rubbermaids) used in casing techniques?



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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7442064 - 09/22/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, here goes....


-Get whole grain......... What grain are you going with? Rye seed, Rye feed, WBS, etc. etc.?

-Soaking......... longer than 12 is better just to sure.

-Simmering....... I find that simmering for 30 min is just fine

-Put in jars with shaking room......... Don't forget to let it strain overnight! You don't want too much moisture in your jars

pressure cook for 90 min at 15PSI

Inoculation procedures look fine.

After full colonization, spread 1" over pre-moistened pasteurized, (not sterilized), layer of 50/50 mix of coir and vermiculite, not peat and vermiculite. Peat is used in casing layers not bulk substrate layers.

-Cover and let colonize before inducing fruiting. Where is the casing layer?

Those are my comments........ I hope it helps.


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7442082 - 09/22/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

oo i hate waiting for it to drain, i towel dry those bitches
and only Pressurecook for 60 minutes, since my buddy gets pissed off about the loud ass noise


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
    #7442179 - 09/22/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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wutang said:
oo i hate waiting for it to drain, i towel dry those bitches
and only Pressurecook for 60 minutes, since my buddy gets pissed off about the loud ass noise



LOL! I know what you mean! I tried the towel thing once and ended up with WBS EVERYWHERE! Not a pretty sight. I've learned patience in this hobby if anything. I'd tell your buddy to get a grip or he wont get any when its all said and done! LOL!


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7442263 - 09/22/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:headbang:yup


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7442363 - 09/23/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

VisionsToReality said:
-Get whole grain





Once again, WBS, Rye, what?

Quote:


-Soak for 12-24 hours
-Simmer accordingly (~1 hour?)
-Strain & rinse excess starch
-Put in jars with shaking room allowed & pressure cook




I only soak for 12 hours and don't simmer. However, I spawn to a hpoo-based mixture. I like to keep my grains relatively dry so that they colonize quickly to be prepared for spawning. You'll need someone who is more experienced with spawning straight from grain for this one.

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-Inoculate & let colonize, shaking a couple times throughout the process




You only need to shake once at about 15% colonization. Everytime, you shake you are destroying the mycelium network which then has to expend time and energy to regrow. Shaking more than once just slows things down

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-After full colonization, break up and spread over 1" pre-moistened/pre-sterilized layer of 50/50 peat moss/vermiculite
-Spread another 1" layer of this 50/50 ontop of the grain layer.





You do not need a casing layer underneath your grains, only above. And most people don't generally sterilize their casing material, they pasteurize it.

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-Cover and let colonize. Induce fruiting when mycelium breaks through top layer.





... More or less

Quote:


1. How do you sterilize the rubbermaid casing/fruiting bin before any substrate is put in? Is rubbing with alcohol good enough?




Works for me

Quote:


2. Is there any other substitute for the 50/50 mix aside from using straw/manure/compost that you would recommend over the 50/50 mix?




First, straw/manure/compost is not a casing material. It is a bulk substrate. Once your grain jars are fully colonized, you can break them up and mix them with a bulk substrate to further expand your mycelium. However, an alternative to 50/50 for the lazy man is Miracle Grow Moisture Control from just about any garden center/hardware store.

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3. After mycelium emerges from the top substrate layer, is any fanning necessary? And if so, does one have to mist after fanning?




Definitely. Fresh air exchange (FAE) is one of the biggest factors in fruiting. You should be providing fresh air as soon as you are ready to initiate pinning until you eventually throw your spent substrate away.

Good luck and keep reading up on the basics!


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7443105 - 09/23/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the help everyone.



I guess I am still confused between what casing is and what bulk substrate is:

I thought casing was increasing yield by encouraging mycelial growth in a *non-nutritive casing* substrate (Ex: 50peat/50vermiculite)

I thought bulk substrate was inoculating (usually by grain) a nutritive substrate (such as straw/poop/compost).

Can someone set me straight, if this is wrong? I have a feeling I got part of it, but I'm missing a part at the same time.


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Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy
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Put your vision to reality, yeah!


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7443196 - 09/23/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

VisionsToReality said:
You do not need a casing layer underneath your grains, only above. And most people don't generally sterilize their casing material, they pasteurize it.





If you do not need a casing layer underneath, what goes underneath? Moist perlite or moist vermiculite...does that work?


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443199 - 09/23/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nothing, everytime i put on a bottom layer, it wastes time cause it colonizes the bottom. so if you dont put anything there, it doesnt have anything to colonize


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
    #7443217 - 09/23/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Very interesting...cool


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443225 - 09/23/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

OH ONE MORE THING that i messed up on my first case
remember to BLOCK ALL THE LIGHT ON THE SIDES
side and bottom pinning sucks ass


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443226 - 09/23/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought casing was increasing yield by encouraging mycelial growth in a *non-nutritive casing* substrate (Ex: 50peat/50vermiculite)




Right, the casing is applied to the top of a fully colonized substrate, is it generally non-nutritive. I would suggest 50/50 verm/peat, but using the term "casing substrate" becomes confusing, so we refer to them as casing materials.

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I thought bulk substrate was inoculating (usually by grain) a nutritive substrate (such as straw/poop/compost).




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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: simplemachine]
    #7443232 - 09/23/07 08:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok great, thank you for clearin that up. So I assume bulk substrate is better, quicker, and bigger yields than casing because of its nutrients, right?


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443248 - 09/23/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

uh huh


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443255 - 09/23/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, and when you spawn a single WBS jar that would have made maybe half a casing to a big tray of bulk sub, you have increased you cropping space significantly.

BTW I don't see the point in casing a straight grain. Those jars are so much better used to spawn coir/poo/ect.


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: simplemachine]
    #7443260 - 09/23/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wow i've never heard of casing a straight grain sounds like failure..spawning is way better


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: wutang]
    #7443262 - 09/23/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So if you do bulk substrate you basically don't need to pasteurize the fruiting chamber if it's a large rubbermaid - just rub with alcohol?

And is it best to pasteurize the jars of grain, before inoculation? Or pressure cook them?


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Re: About to embark on a whole grain journey. Assurance & Answers seeked! [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7443269 - 09/23/07 08:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

pressure cook, you only pasturize the substrate


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