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Re: UFC 76 [Re: Syle]
    #7447100 - 09/24/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

don't need to be an expert to see that


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7447346 - 09/24/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yah i know, i was just saying that excuses for shogun are not deserved, he just got flat out beat. and my post was sort of for all.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: Syle]
    #7447526 - 09/24/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Shogun won the first round and then gassed completely. He didn't look very good even in the first round, did enough to win it though.

Oh well, shit happens

rudimar needs to change something up at chute boxe, can't help that the team seems to be drifting apart again.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: d33p]
    #7447718 - 09/24/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you might want to watch the first round again

shogun takes forrest down 3 times - griffin takes shogun down twice and takes his back both time while landing strikes

shogun didn't land any punishment in any take down

griffin started the mouse of shoguns forhead in the first as well


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7448195 - 09/24/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no i do know forrest outworked him the entire fight


shogun looked like crap. It was shocking, especially for me, after seeing him dominate so many great fighters (including rampage), to just get mangled the way he did.


forrest came out with a solid gameplan, and just kept up the pace throughout the fight.


Seeing him gas like that was surprising....like he didn't even train for this fight.

Someone whose used to fighting a 10 minute round gassing after 2 5 minute rounds....something's wrong there.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7448214 - 09/24/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

mean is from butte - he won :smile:


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7448218 - 09/24/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

you have all the right to rag on me and my pride nuthuggery now


the MMA world as we've known it, has come crashing down.


Shit, even Jardine over Liddell is frickin...unbelievable.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7448244 - 09/24/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no its not - mean is from butte :laugh:


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7448254 - 09/24/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it is dude


Jardine choosing to stand with chuck using his wierd chimp style boxing....and not getting KOed.


Liddell couldn't even check his leg kicks...


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7448315 - 09/24/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

sucklesworth said:
you might want to watch the first round again

shogun takes forrest down 3 times - griffin takes shogun down twice and takes his back both time while landing strikes

shogun didn't land any punishment in any take down

griffin started the mouse of shoguns forhead in the first as well





here's a quick rundown

When shogun gives up his back to roll into a knee bar/guard to escape to his feet or a more advantageous position that is effective grappling. Taking risks is rewarded by judges. Griffen never held shogun's back for more than a few seconds and the hammer fists he landed were not effective strikes. Shogun held Griffen on the ground for around 2 minutes of the first round and landed a few decent shots, better than anything Griffen had. The takdowns were in the favor of Shogun.

The stand up was close with Shogun landing slightly more effective strikes imo although Griffen landed the best two shots. Neither did much.

Shogun was clearly the aggressor.

Comparatively, Shogun looked like shit right from the beginning and Forrest looked good but that doesn't automatically make Griffen the winner of the round. This is a mistake is made by many people.

Still, it's really disappointing how bad shogun looked. His punching was unusually slow, where his speed usually allows his unorthodox style to be more effective. He didn't attempt to clinch or trip much at all, which is understandable due to forrest's size advantage but I think it is not smart for chute boxe fighters to completely abandon their strong point because of this.

Whatever may be the reason for his poor performance (under training, steroids, sickness) hopefully he'll get everything in check for his next fight and come back strong.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: d33p]
    #7448673 - 09/24/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I thought shogun won the first too. Seriously anyone could have beat shogun that night.A top 5 fighter would have ended it the first round.


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: sucklesworth]
    #7449101 - 09/24/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

shogun got beat..but he gassed
he won the first round, if u know how mma is scored
count the takedowns, count the strikes and count agression
shogun clearly had more takedowns, landed strikes and was more agressive
try watching the fight with no announcing..for some reason rogan and goldie didnt acknowledge any of the few strikes shogun landed
anyway no excuse for his though...he quickly gassed and dropped the las 2 rounds
then actually got RNCed

griffin didnt really even look that great...shogun looked that bad

liddell is completely overrated and it finally came out
any decent striker they throw against him will beat him
he's like crocop, mma has passed him by...u cant be that one dimensional anymore
and in chuck's case, his striking was never even as good as crocop's
he just had some really unnatural power
however jardine found the key
kick the leg he pushes of with..its a great gameplan against a 1 dimensional puncher.. using your legs and hips is very very important..kill the leg chuck needs, he loses 50% of his punching power
guess we know who would have won chuck vs wand right, lol...no wonder wand was so sad, all it would have taken was leg kicks...i think wand kicks harder than keith
also rumor is chuck fights shogun next now...hopefully the shogun just uses the same game plan. take out his legs and go for the kill


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Re: UFC 76 [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7450851 - 09/25/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

don't worry skott, the pride guys will get with it sooner or later


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