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Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'..
#7440771 - 09/22/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7441050 - 09/22/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm not watching 45 minutes of StarTrek.. what it is about?
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7443150 - 09/23/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We know why, it because the brain produces a chemical that makes you forget.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: WScott]
#7447599 - 09/24/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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WScottsdale said: Yeah I'm not watching 45 minutes of StarTrek.. what it is about?
So be it. 
Ego Death: What would that be?
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7447678 - 09/24/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gomp said:
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WScottsdale said: Yeah I'm not watching 45 minutes of StarTrek.. what it is about?
So be it. 
Ego Death: What would that be?
It would be like waking up from a dream Only to find that you are still a character in others' dream But you being in their dream is all too real!
I enjoyed that episode
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7450286 - 09/25/07 01:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gomp said: http://joox.net/cat/334/id/1328519
Star Trek TNG - Parallels ...
Because we slip into a parallel-reality quantum rift??? I can't believe I just watched that.
I did not always recall my 'sleeping dreams' because I was STONED ALL THE TIME.
I quit smoking Cannabis, and now I remember EVERYTHING.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7451088 - 09/25/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Placebo..
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7452457 - 09/25/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um how it can it be placebo if I HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING?
It doesn't work in reverse like that dude. 
Psychosomatic maybe...
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7453290 - 09/25/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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middleman, what are you referring to that is a placebo? you mean about weed smoking and the dreams cus weed absolutely fucks with dream recall. no question about it, no placebo there.
i think as far as the not recalling dreams go is because it is part of the subconscious realm which of course is self explanitory as to why you wouldnt remember.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Locus]
#7453330 - 09/25/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. The subconscious itself is not the explanation, it's the effect. But there are always ways to turn the subconscious into super conscious, by adjusting our awareness in the waking state. We don't remember dreams mostly because we don't have full contact with that experience like we do in "real life", because we're kind of half asleep in our waking times as well, because of stress, feeling tired, and the list could go on forever. In my opinion, the subconscious is the area of our mind, information that we need to work on, just like a muscle, to make it reachable to our discernible mind. And I'm not really buying that defense mechanism either. It seems like a very superficial explanation to me.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Locus]
#7454566 - 09/26/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the backup Locus. 
My point is that I think we are naturally supposed to remember our dreams, because of the LINK they create between our conscious and unconscious minds.
I think the reasons for dream erasure are purely environmental, namely CANNABIS, REFINED SUGAR, CAFFEINE and FLUORIDE. (Fluoride calcifies the Pineal Gland)
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7454846 - 09/26/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does it really?? 
Is there any fluoride-free toothpaste out there??
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Lion]
#7454910 - 09/26/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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unfortunately, yes: http://fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/
I use Tom's of Maine flouride-free, found just about anywhere...
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7456308 - 09/26/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The articles available from flouridealert and other similar sites all seem to be based upon one study, conducted on small groups of gerbils, which the author concludes by saying:
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In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation.
How does this equal fluoride being a confirmed health risk and interfering with dream recall? 
I know that this is a non-debate forum, but I have a tough time ignoring what seems to be false health information.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Veritas]
#7457396 - 09/26/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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A "Guru" told me the same thing, and that's good enough for me. The Tom's toothpaste isn't any more expensive.
I saw a thread where someone's dentist told them "Teeth don't really need flouride."
I'm usually a little more skeptical of stuff, but hey if it doesn't hurt... 
This isn't a non-debate forum anymore, btw. It's a criticism-free forum. Yes, there's a difference.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7459172 - 09/27/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use fluoride-free toothpaste & only drink filtered water, as I have not read anything which supports the benefit of fluoride consumption. I'd rather not conduct science experiments with my health. My objection was to the misrepresentation of the research.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Veritas]
#7460299 - 09/27/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
I'd rather not conduct science experiments with my health.
Only with our Brains, right?
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Ego Death]
#7460311 - 09/27/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego Death said: We know why, it because the brain produces a chemical that makes you forget.
its called DMT, in large doses studied people forgot what happened but during it could tell us what was going on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
its an amazing drug and can be extracted from just about anything.
its inside your brain, and its a schedule 1 drug. so you're doing illegal drugs at night!
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Middleman]
#7463441 - 09/28/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Middleman said: Um how it can it be placebo if I HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING?
It doesn't work in reverse like that dude. 
Psychosomatic maybe...
You heard it was so, thus you make it be so...
It is a common mistake.
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Locus]
#7463444 - 09/28/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is so cute..
How come some people have better dream-recall, when smoking?
Hehe.. Placebo-deluxe!
(On that note; Do remember that people given alcoholic beer, can override the alcohol consumption, and not get drunk by it...)
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Veritas]
#7463453 - 09/28/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said: The articles available from flouridealert and other similar sites all seem to be based upon one study, conducted on small groups of gerbils, which the author concludes by saying:
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In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation.
How does this equal fluoride being a confirmed health risk and interfering with dream recall? 
I know that this is a non-debate forum, but I have a tough time ignoring what seems to be false health information.
Glad you can grasp this, Veritas!
How, you ask?
By imposing it on themselves.. Believing it... It is called "placebo effect" ... 
[BTW: If I post in P&S they move it here, and if I post it here, it is "debated", so I do not know what to do. (I do not mind the "debate".) The Mod's will hopefully move it if it is fit.. ]
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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Alion]
#7463463 - 09/28/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alion said:
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Ego Death said: We know why, it because the brain produces a chemical that makes you forget.
its called DMT, in large doses studied people forgot what happened but during it could tell us what was going on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
its an amazing drug and can be extracted from just about anything.
its inside your brain, and its a schedule 1 drug. so you're doing illegal drugs at night!
Wiki is as trust-able as a rotten dick.. But, hey!
Thanks for the notion! I surely agree! 
BTW: I woke up this morning, recalled all of the dream, as if it was "just before", and had a laugh.. HAHAHA.. I could nearly not stop myself..
What a great way to start a/the day!

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Re: Why we do not always recall our 'sleeping dreams'.. [Re: Gomp]
#7469177 - 09/30/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think some of it may be that the waking mind cant process what happened in the dream. I always find the more lucid the dream, the more easy to remember, i think thats because its closer to the reality the mind works on when its concious, making it easier to process. The next time you day dream and you notice that you have snapped out of it, wait a little while, then try and remember in detail what you were thinking about, usually its like a blur to me. Like i know, i spent a considerably amount of time yesterday day dreaming, because everyone does, every day. But i cant remember it all really. I think the concious mind cant process things at that level.
Edited by DimensionX (09/30/07 09:10 AM)
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