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I am human
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or am 'I'? There are by some 1000 different animal species living inside of 'us' (a human body), many of them essential to health; in other words we could not live without them.
So does that make them part of what it takes to be human? Are we not, in fact, a symbiotic colony disguised as a single organism? Does not 'me' more accurately refer to millions of organisms acting in concert that gives rise to the illusion of self?
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Right on!
I AM LEGION!
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i am ten ninjas xD
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Icelander said: Right on!
I AM LEGION!
'Who' wrote that?
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the little man behind the curtain
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*Shmoopy shows incredible restraint by NOT making a joke here*
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thank you, I'd call that growth.
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I made a post(s), possibly a thread, about this a while ago (maybe even in here, somewhere...don't remember) but for the most part it was ignored
but yes, "we" (as in I or you) are not just humans. the human is only the outer shell. life is contained within, on, and outside of us
even more interesting is how this relates to capitalisticnomad's thread on suicide. when one takes life, they are taking billions, not just one
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Re: I am human [Re: demiu5]
#7440733 - 09/22/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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but for the most part it was ignored
Someone is getting dissed here!
they are taking billions, not just one
More bad karma.
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More bad karma.
Nah, we play "host" to many more organisms as we decay.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7440777 - 09/22/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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not sitting inside a silk-lined wooden (or other) box, we don't
well, maybe still some of those bacteria that are sealed in the air with us, but it's not like they're going anywhere/have anything else to eat after the remains are disposed of
karma, lol
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Re: I am human [Re: demiu5]
#7440783 - 09/22/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what we'd like to think...truth is, decay goes on whether we are preserved & sealed in a silk-lined box, or not. It is as inevitable as death. Unless you plan to float in a vat full of formaldehyde, your remains WILL host millions of organisms as you rot. Your coffin will eventually succumb to water damage and mold, and the organisms which have multiplied in your remains will escape to reproduce elsewhere.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7440787 - 09/22/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Necrophilia = e-rot-ic?
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7440799 - 09/22/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are an ecology -
Ecology - Human Body
1: Org Body parts and inorg. pieces
2: Fire Acids
3: Wind Breath
4: Water Water
5: Earth Earthly body
I think that there is no distinction between us and "it".
Inside and outside are no different. The only differences are a matter of scale. Microscopic processes in nature are exactly same as those that are going on on a planetary, galactic or universal scale.
The delineation between "human" and non, is null. The corruption of the human mind begins with society telling us there actually "is" a difference. But when you learn more, you find nothing.
I think Ill stop talking now. Nice thread btw.
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Re: I am human [Re: gmuralid]
#7440814 - 09/22/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inside and outside are no different. The only differences are a matter of scale.
I disagree. The difference is in direct vs. indirect awareness. We directly experience that which contacts our particular assortment of molecules, and indirectly experience that which contacts other molecules.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7441225 - 09/22/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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truth is, decay goes on whether we are preserved & sealed in a silk-lined box
Maybe I'll have myself cryofrozen? Hmmm...
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441252 - 09/22/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought you said that your family would have you sealed into a stainless steel coffin?
Set up your cremation in advance, then the decay process is cut short.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7441261 - 09/22/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In fact try to be cremated before you die.
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...or at least eat lots of grilled foods.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7441264 - 09/22/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's the current plan, but hell, why not go all the way and freeze me first. At least then the silk blanket will come in handy.
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441277 - 09/22/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instructions for reviving Diploid:
Microwave for 3 minutes on med. heat, remove wrap and stir. Replace in microwave and cook for 3.5 minutes on med. heat. Let sit for 2 minutes. Remove wrap and serve!
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7441290 - 09/22/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yum!
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Yes, he is excellent topped with the optional pouch of Country Gravy.
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441298 - 09/22/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If my family follows my wishes (which they won't, and I'm not gonna fight them, especially when I'm dead) they'd give me what's known as an Ecological Funeral, or Promession.
It's a process where you're cryofrozen, then you're put in a grinder and turned into sawdust. The sawdust is later buried and in a couple of months you're completely reintegrated into the environment.
That's the way to go.
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441307 - 09/22/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd still want the gravy.
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441314 - 09/22/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds more expensive than cremation. Do you still have your bodily fluids drained & replaced with formaldehyde? I heard that this process is required even if you are being cremated afterwards. 
I'm donating my body to science, so hopefully they can cut some corners with the disposal of the leftovers.
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
#7441361 - 09/22/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The method behind ecological burial is crystal-clear, easy to grasp and accept. It is based on a new combination of tried-and-tested techniques that prepare the corpse for a natural process of decomposition. The procedure is justifiable in terms of ethical, moral, environmental and technical considerations, and does not subject the body to violent or destructive handling.
"The method is based upon preserving the body in a biological form after death, while avoiding harmful embalming fluid. Then it can be returned to the ecological cycle in a dignified manner as a valuable contribution to the living earth," explains Susanne Wiigh-Mäsak, biologist and head of operations at Promessa Organic AB.
An important part of the solution is to remove that which is least important; the water that makes up 70 percent of a normal-sized body. Technically speaking, this is done using an entirely closed individual process in which the corpse is freeze-dried in liquid nitrogen.
Within a week and a half after death, the corpse is frozen to minus 18 degrees Celsius and then submerged in liquid nitrogen. This makes the body very brittle, and vibration of a specific amplitude transforms it into an organic powder that is then introduced into a vacuum chamber where the water is evaporated away.
The now dry powder then passes through a metal separator where any surgical spare parts and mercury are removed. In a similar way, the powder can be disinfected if required. The remains are now ready to be laid in a coffin made of corn starch. There is no hurry with the burial itself. The organic powder, which is hygienic and odorless, does not decompose when kept dry. The burial takes place in a shallow grave in living soil that turns the coffin and its contents into compost in about 6-12 months time.
In conjunction with the burial and in accordance with the wishes of the deceased or next of kin, a bush or tree can be planted above the coffin. The compost formed can then be taken up by the plant, which can instill greater insight in and respect for the ecological cycle, of which every living thing is a part. The plant stands as a symbol of the person, and we understand where the body went.
"Our ecological burial reduces environmental impact on some of our most important resources; our water, air and soil," says Susanne Wiigh-Mäsak, biologist and head of Promessa Organic AB. "At the same time it provides us with deeper insights regarding the ecological cycle, and greater understanding of and respect for life on earth."
www.promessa.se
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441366 - 09/22/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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On second thought it sounds just yummy without the gravy.
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I come with dessert. Who needs gravy?
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441411 - 09/22/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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As V might be lurking, lets take it to PMs from here on out.:D Brokeback mountain here we cum.
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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7441938 - 09/22/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Maybe I'll have myself cryofrozen? Hmmm...
Be careful....! Trendal said that crystals may just be "life".... If so, freezing would technically fill you will a totally different form of life.... 
>^;;^<
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Re: I am human [Re: Veritas]
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I'm donating my body to science, so hopefully they can cut some corners...
You said you had curves; never mentioned any corners.
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Diploid said: Maybe I'll have myself cryofrozen? Hmmm...
Be careful....! Trendal said that crystals may just be "life".... If so, freezing would technically fill you will a totally different form of life.... 
>^;;^<
Hmmm 
And you collect crystals, right? Maybe you'll collect one Diploid specimen
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Re: I am human [Re: demiu5]
#7441993 - 09/22/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The way I always explained it is that we are made of dust. From dust we are, and to dust we will return. Ashes to ashes and all that jazz.
So basically I'm a conglomeration of everything in my environment put together with a little bit of saliva or 'spirit' to stick it all together. If we're using the archetype methodology, God just leans over and spits into the dirt to make me, nothing, into something.
What are we, anyway? I don't think it really matters.
As Popeye says, I yam what I yam. 
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demius said: even more interesting is how this relates to capitalisticnomad's thread on suicide. when one takes life, they are taking billions, not just one
That reminds me of a little thing I wrote that will one day (hopefully) go into a larger novel, where a girl shoots herself in the skull and as she goes she can hear each brain cell 'crying out' in agony. At the end of that snippet it says, "Whoever said that suicide is instantaneous death is a fool. And all men are fools."
Of course, I know that sounds incredibly morbid, but there's way more to the whole story than just that.
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Ashes to ashes...
and ducks to ducks.
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PhanTomCat said:
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Diploid said: Maybe I'll have myself cryofrozen? Hmmm...
Be careful....! Trendal said that crystals may just be "life".... If so, freezing would technically fill you will a totally different form of life.... 
>^;;^<
Hmmm 
And you collect crystals, right? Maybe you'll collect one Diploid specimen

THAT, is one TWiZ-TeD concept....
I guess if Diploid is ever put up on Ebay as a frozen specimen, I will be obligated to purchase him just because we had this conversation....!? 
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Ashes to ashes...
and ducks to ducks.
Can anyone say, "AFLAC!"?!

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It could be considered a tacit agreement of both parties involved
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OOoohhh, COME ON....! Don't make it any weirder.... 

>^;;^<
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Yes, but only when wearing V-neck pullovers.
 

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Re: I am human [Re: Diploid]
#7442785 - 09/23/07 03:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: The method behind ecological burial is crystal-clear, easy to grasp and accept. It is based on a new combination of tried-and-tested techniques that prepare the corpse for a natural process of decomposition.
After a quick scan of that sentence, I thought it said "tried-and-tasted techniques..."
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Re: I am human [Re: Nasrudin]
#7442800 - 09/23/07 03:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did say I come with dessert.
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