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the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom
#7439829 - 09/22/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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after several flushes, the fitness of a mushroom (the micelyum itself) decreases and the fruits appear less in number and only from time to time. mushrooms are living organisms and must live their lifes naturally; that implies keep an old-aged mushroom for a long time until the life signs disappear. howewer, in many occasions (due to legal issues, productivity, etc) the growner can't keep the old mushrooms during their entire life cycle. how is, then, the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom? the growner has awaked a life and owns the responsability of care it. i think natural dehydration, placing the mushroom outside the FC, could be the less traumatic metod.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: x7x_x7x]
#7439835 - 09/22/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you get a 5 gallon bucket to throw them in...don't cram them in...
Then mist it with a spray bottle once, put the lid on with a crack in it, and then check 'em in a week or so.
You can sometimes get another (very uneven) flush or two out of them before they contaminate.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: x7x_x7x]
#7439844 - 09/22/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i don't understand what you meant about the 'growner' not being able to keep the old mushroom..
the mushroom doesn't know a difference, but supposing it did, the less traumatic way would be to eat it immediately, stamping out it's life quickly naturally drying them would be long, slow, and painful artificially drying them would be a little bit quicker
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: x7x_x7x]
#7439880 - 09/22/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You must eat it. The sole purpose of bringing life to it was to exploit it's magic. You must let it run it's full course.... up until the very last one. The last one should be given it's due respect. After that, put the remaining substrate out to bury or include it in your compost.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: The shroomy 1]
#7439902 - 09/22/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he's talking about the substrate as a single "mushroom". In which case...wtf...quality of life for your fungus?
It's...a fungus. Born to sporulate and die.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: anarchOi]
#7440066 - 09/22/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the mushroom is the micelyum growing in the substrate; what you eat is the fruit
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: x7x_x7x]
#7440088 - 09/22/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, the "mushroom" would be the fruit. The mushroom isn't the mycelium, the mycelium is the mycelium.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: MorphMan]
#7440238 - 09/22/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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MorphMan said: Actually, the "mushroom" would be the fruit. The mushroom isn't the mycelium, the mycelium is the mycelium.
mushroom is made out of mycelim tho
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: THEBats]
#7440262 - 09/22/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always liked to think of mushrooms as big fungal penises sticking right out of the ground. They are the reproductive organs of the fungus, after all...
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: THEBats]
#7440279 - 09/22/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean you really don't want to hurt the mushrooms nerve endings. Also they might kind of get sad if they knew you were giving them an artificial natural death.
This thread is stupid 
Simply growing them in an artificial environment in your house defeats the idea behind this question.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: StreetFreak]
#7440400 - 09/22/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushroom is made out of mycelim tho
No. No, it isn't. A fruit, a mushroom, is distinct from mycelium. Funny that while worshiping the things you don't know much about them. This thread is ridiculous anyway. Why should you care any more about a mushroom than the food you eat? The sacred chemical? You give a burial ceremony to any DMT-containing grass that you step on?
Absurd.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7440408 - 09/22/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um... a mushroom does originally form from a tightly-bunched mass of mycelium. You can see it at the base.
Why the hostility?
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I think I understand what hes saying.
Bury it outside if you cant get anymore mushrooms out of it.
If the myc dies, it dies.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: CaptainLinger]
#7440506 - 09/22/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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CaptainLinger said:
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mushroom is made out of mycelim tho
No. No, it isn't. A fruit, a mushroom, is distinct from mycelium. Funny that while worshiping the things you don't know much about them. This thread is ridiculous anyway. Why should you care any more about a mushroom than the food you eat? The sacred chemical? You give a burial ceremony to any DMT-containing grass that you step on?
Absurd.
That's why it's possible to turn a mushrooms back into mycelium then right?
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: THEBats]
#7440631 - 09/22/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Euthanasia is the painless killing of an organism that is suffering from incurable and painful disease or irreversible coma.
The practice is illegal in most countries.
That having been said, I think II understand what he is saying.
I would say compost. I think you have brought life, and feel the responsibility for it. In this case, I would say give back to the earth, and let nature take its course.
Another quick note: You are not God. You have brought life, but the life you speak of and its ancestors were there well before you and your entire species were even a thought. Dont put this much thought into it. They will be around well after you are around.
Just remember, when you are in the ground, their family will be the ones asking "Hey, should we start on this one? Nah, I think we should wait till hes a little more cured, so then hell taste better."
In a way, death is their way of life: Without mushrooms, so much of the organic crap in the world would have piled up (for a long time), that we could probably walk to the moon. So, let them have death. It is them.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: spock1]
#7441539 - 09/22/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes, when I talk to mushrooms, they jump in my mouth while I am talking and get chewed to bits and then before I know it, the mushroom is talking to me
Def. Compost it, it's the most "natural" way to go about IMO. Put it with your garden. If it's the winter, you could dig a hole in the snow
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: hightimesreader]
#7456195 - 09/26/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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spock1 said:
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gmuralid said: Euthanasia is the painless killing of an organism that is suffering from incurable and painful disease or irreversible coma.
The practice is illegal in most countries.
Nope. You're talking about humans when you say it's illegal, but it still happens in a lot of countries. And the orgalism doesn't have to be suffering from a painful disease, because stray animals are euthanized even though they are healthy.
Thank you for the clarification.
Unfortunately, this was meant more in sarcasm than anything else. Also, since you want to talk semantics, the word has become frequently used in the sense you have spoken of, only due to an expanded meaning given to this (ie mercy killing does not equal culling due to population expansion, but both meanings are being used for the same word), not necessarily the textbook meaning.
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Does mycelium feel pain? It doesn't have a nervous system like higher animals.. it could feel a different kind of pain, but what's the point? Evolution has made us feel pain because that is how we survive.. the way we learn not to get into dangerous situations. Mycelium can't really move, so evolutionarily why would it help to feel pain?
Um...ok.
Your standpoint on evolution is interesting. So you are saying that pain is an evolutionary trait somehow which has trained us not to get into dangerous situations.
Hmm. And then somehow linked this to movement. So movement = pain = evolutionary strategy for survival/danger avoidance.
Ok. Uh....I dont think I understand where you are going with this.
If evolution makes humans feel pain to survive, why not mushrooms? Not that Im leaning either way, I mean It really doesnt matter, because I have made my opinion clear on what should be dont with the mycelium.
Oh and next time, maybe quote the whole post, and dont necessarily just pick a piece you can harp on (esp. when your not clear where I was going with it.)
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: gmuralid]
#7456271 - 09/26/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If evolution makes humans feel pain to survive, why not mushrooms?
Simply not evolved enough. To boot, mushrooms have no consciousness. Which would make pain pretty pointless. And painful. I again ask, do you have any particular reason for caring about proper disposal? I for one, throw the mycelium in a trash can when it's done.
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Re: the ethical way to euthanize a mushroom [Re: x7x_x7x]
#7456993 - 09/26/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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x7x_x7x said: mushrooms are living organisms and must live their lifes naturally; that implies keep an old-aged mushroom for a long time until the life signs disappear. howewer, in many occasions (due to legal issues, productivity, etc)
i know this great home, where old mushrooms can go. there's daily bingo, craft hall, and nap time.
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