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Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life.
    #7439077 - 09/22/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7439090 - 09/22/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I agree

I mean I don't advocate spilling skull in the middle of a crowded street but I agree with the general sentiment


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7439117 - 09/22/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

look on the bright side, is suicide


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: qwertymkonji]
    #7439149 - 09/22/07 02:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Explain these rights and what it means to be a human being. Who are you and where do you come from?


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7439172 - 09/22/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It certainly should be your right, one of the most basic off all human rights. And it should be everyones obligation to keep eachothers spirits up so that we don't have to consider such a dire tactic. Unless you're like me and are considering doing it just to see what comes next. It's like a big red button that I'm soooooo tempted to push JUST to see what happens.



spilling skull...omfg I love that. Mind if I use it?


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7439615 - 09/22/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Capatalistc nomad said:
If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.




It is your right, as you make your own decisions and are capable of action. It is also your right to live a fufilling, peaceful life, rich in experience and awareness. :mushroom2:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7439692 - 09/22/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

By the same philosophy it should be your right to decide to be born or not?
But we can only decide to give life to a new being whether that being be willing or not. Maybe all beings are willing until they age to the point of intelligence where they can question it?

Yeah, it is your right to kill yourself. The good thing is nobody can moan at you or inflict a BS law upon you once you've done it. But it will of course affect alot of other people - your family left wondering why, somebody has to find the remains of your body etc.

If I was in enough pain or so disabled that I didn't want to live, then I would say goodbye and do it - I think everyone can understand that.

The philosophical problems come when the person cannot speak and we don't know whether or not to turn off the life support machine.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: Ego Death]
    #7439766 - 09/22/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with the topic. But would it be fair to say that most people who commit suicide reached that point through a series of mishaps and tragedies that are not within their control?

In that mindset, are they even capable of claiming such a right? Is it really their choice or are they just being influenced by many negative factors?

Is suicide a sum? Is it a biased decision? Could a person kill themselves without any real reason? To just claim the right to kill yourself, free of any bias of experience - is it possible?


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: vaportrail]
    #7439776 - 09/22/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree with the topic.  But would it be fair to say that most people who commit suicide reached that point through a series of mishaps and tragedies that are not within their control?




Not likely, unless we are simply talking about a tragedy that inflicts physical pain upon the individual to the point that they cannot bear it any longer. Otherwise, it is not the mishaps and tragedies that lead an individual to commit suicide, but their own response to what has happened. That, of course, is one's own choice.

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To just claim the right to kill yourself, free of any bias of experience - is it possible?




Sure, it is possible, but for someone to be aware of the nature of themself and reality to the point that they would be capable of making that decision, I'd imagine that actually exercising that right would not seem to them as preferable as simply living and enjoying their life. :wink:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7439790 - 09/22/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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suicide is played out. if you're going to die, then take people with you.




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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: kotik]
    #7439807 - 09/22/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

interestingly,
the rights of the human being are delegated to the tenuous thread of
thinking that any person may have.
you can think something, say something, sign someting and do something because of thinking.
not from knowledge, or even from knowing one's self.
thinking is not that
some thinking can be inspired by knowing, but
usually it is just static and replay,
kneejerk reactions from conditioning, experiences, and basically
monkey see monkey do.

I reccommend looking into things more reflectively, not more "thinking" more insight and meditation before taking advantage of the right to do something that you think you think.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7439909 - 09/22/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Capatalistc nomad said:
If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.




Oh yes please do. I suggest putting it on You Tube so we can all share in your performance.

Of course it's your right.:thumbup:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: joekenorer]
    #7440382 - 09/22/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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joekenorer said:
It certainly should be your right, one of the most basic off all human rights. And it should be everyones obligation to keep eachothers spirits up so that we don't have to consider such a dire tactic. Unless you're like me and are considering doing it just to see what comes next. It's like a big red button that I'm soooooo tempted to push JUST to see what happens.



spilling skull...omfg I love that. Mind if I use it?




I feel the exact same way, but I know that I may not come back to this life, so I'm going to make the best of this before it.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: joekenorer]
    #7440461 - 09/22/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And it should be everyones obligation to keep eachothers spirits up so that we don't have to consider such a dire tactic.

The only obligation I feel is to tell myself the truth as I know it.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7440463 - 09/22/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Capatalistc nomad said:
If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.




No argument here. It could, of course be rather rude to kill yourself in certain places, traumatizing others and making them clean up a gross mess...


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7440473 - 09/22/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Humans are in the habit of leaving messes for others to clean up. It's tradition.:monkeydance:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. *DELETED* [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7440486 - 09/22/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: roby000]
    #7441124 - 09/22/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It is my right to pick at my butt and then sniff my fingers.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: TODAY]
    #7441136 - 09/22/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Freedom!:thumbup:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7442093 - 09/22/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The question I'm trying to pose here is - what does your 'right' entail?  What makes something your right or not your right?  Whether it hurts others or not?  Whether it is within your control and involves your own private will?  Whether the legal system of your country allows for it?

Obviously it may hurt others, so the first one is worthy of consideration.  The last one is kind of moot since (at least successful) suicide can't be outlawed as of yet, while we still have not determined a method of punishing those already dead. :lol:

So, we're left with the second question.  And this is rather complicated, as our choices are tied in with the choices of others.  Let's say, hypothetically speaking, your little bro for awhile didn't know what he was going to do with his life, but finally decided on going to go to college just because he saw what it is doing for you, and is just about to send in his application, and then you commit suicide.  Now, he may or may not know the real reason for why you committed suicide or what factors played into it, but regardless of that he doesn't want to go to college anymore.  It may have plenty of opportunities, he says, but it just isn't the same anymore.  Consequently, he takes no initiative in his life and becomes a drain on others around him.

Is he responsible for his decision?  Yes.  But so are you, and all of us.  And at the same time, we have to realize that there are a million tiny factors or reasons playing into why we do what we do.  After all, we don't do anything for nothing.  We do it because of something.  And if that something is altered in the tiniest degree, it somehow affects our actions.  Your committing suicide (in the scenario provided) is a result of these factors as well.

Is it your right to commit suicide?  I'd say only if you mean that you are capable of doing it, and it is an expression of what you feel like doing.  Is it what you would really like to do after examining all the potential ramifications of your action?

That's another question entirely. :strokebeard:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: stellar renegade]
    #7442110 - 09/22/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The question I'm trying to pose here is - what does your 'right' entail? What makes something your right or not your right? Whether it hurts others or not? Whether it is within your control and involves your own private will? Whether the legal system of your country allows for it?

Obviously it may hurt others, so the first one is worthy of consideration.




I do not agree with that.
Why is one obliged to live a life that he doesn't want to live anymore, just they don't "hurt" the others? :what:
The others, have only the right and responsibility for their own actions & lives and that's the healthiest way to think about that, if we want to have our independence.
Would you feel like you did a good deed if you knew that the reason someone's not killing him/herself is just because they don't wanna hurt you?


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7442117 - 09/22/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Have a good one. I wish you success in your venture.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7442367 - 09/23/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I do not agree with that.
Why is one obliged to live a life that he doesn't want to live anymore, just they don't "hurt" the others? :what:
The others, have only the right and responsibility for their own actions & lives and that's the healthiest way to think about that, if we want to have our independence.
Would you feel like you did a good deed if you knew that the reason someone's not killing him/herself is just because they don't wanna hurt you?



It seems there are two ways of looking at this problem.  I meant it in the sense that we shouldn't be careless in our dealings with others, not (as you have seemed to me to imply) that we should walk on eggshells around them.

I would rather not someone kill themselves out of guilt over it what might do to me (I have actually been through these kinds of situations), but at the same time, I would also rather them take into consideration the effects it would have on the others around them.

Put better, if they realize that it would hurt me deeply and affect my life in a profound way, and then decide on their own that it is better to stay, then the consideration they have put into it has had the kind of affect on their decision-making process that I would hope it would.  If, however, they realize this and still want to leave, that is their own decision, and I cannot help that anyway, although it may not be a perfectly positive thing.

Assuming this context, I do think it is the right of the person to take away their own life, so long as it is within their ability to do so.

But I don't believe we are individuated from each other but are connected into one harmonious whole.  In the same sense (but not a lawful one, legally or morally), I would think it would be within their rights to take away someone else's life.  After all, if I kill myself, I am also killing others (if we consider that a person is more than just their body but also a collection of emotions).  It doesn't make it right, but it does make it a decision that I can possibly make.  We've been given free will for a reason, to test life out and see what comes of our decisions, and we have every "right" (however questionable the usage of that word might be here) to use it whichever way we see fit.


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7442462 - 09/23/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Capatalistc nomad said:
Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life
If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.




It is within your ability....  :thumbup:
It is also within your ability to decide what "rights" you have....  :thumbup:


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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7447070 - 09/24/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Suicide in a spirituality forum??
Give up??
Warrior??
Good work.

:mad:

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