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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: stellar renegade]
#7442110 - 09/22/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The question I'm trying to pose here is - what does your 'right' entail? What makes something your right or not your right? Whether it hurts others or not? Whether it is within your control and involves your own private will? Whether the legal system of your country allows for it?
Obviously it may hurt others, so the first one is worthy of consideration.
I do not agree with that. Why is one obliged to live a life that he doesn't want to live anymore, just they don't "hurt" the others?  The others, have only the right and responsibility for their own actions & lives and that's the healthiest way to think about that, if we want to have our independence. Would you feel like you did a good deed if you knew that the reason someone's not killing him/herself is just because they don't wanna hurt you?
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   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly


Registered: 06/13/04
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Loc: On the Border
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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
#7442117 - 09/22/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have a good one. I wish you success in your venture.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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stellar renegade
explorer ofmetaphysicaldepths



Registered: 09/19/07
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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7442367 - 09/23/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: I do not agree with that. Why is one obliged to live a life that he doesn't want to live anymore, just they don't "hurt" the others?  The others, have only the right and responsibility for their own actions & lives and that's the healthiest way to think about that, if we want to have our independence. Would you feel like you did a good deed if you knew that the reason someone's not killing him/herself is just because they don't wanna hurt you?
It seems there are two ways of looking at this problem. I meant it in the sense that we shouldn't be careless in our dealings with others, not (as you have seemed to me to imply) that we should walk on eggshells around them.
I would rather not someone kill themselves out of guilt over it what might do to me (I have actually been through these kinds of situations), but at the same time, I would also rather them take into consideration the effects it would have on the others around them.
Put better, if they realize that it would hurt me deeply and affect my life in a profound way, and then decide on their own that it is better to stay, then the consideration they have put into it has had the kind of affect on their decision-making process that I would hope it would. If, however, they realize this and still want to leave, that is their own decision, and I cannot help that anyway, although it may not be a perfectly positive thing.
Assuming this context, I do think it is the right of the person to take away their own life, so long as it is within their ability to do so.
But I don't believe we are individuated from each other but are connected into one harmonious whole. In the same sense (but not a lawful one, legally or morally), I would think it would be within their rights to take away someone else's life. After all, if I kill myself, I am also killing others (if we consider that a person is more than just their body but also a collection of emotions). It doesn't make it right, but it does make it a decision that I can possibly make. We've been given free will for a reason, to test life out and see what comes of our decisions, and we have every "right" (however questionable the usage of that word might be here) to use it whichever way we see fit.
-------------------- "I threw a small stone down at the reflection of my image in the water, and it altogether disappeared. I burst as it shattered through me, like a bullet through a bottle... and I'm expected to believe that any of this is real!" -mewithoutYou
 "To believe in the wide-awake real, through all the stupefying, enervating, distorting dream: to will to wake, when the very being seems athirst for godless repose: these are the broken steps up to the high fields where repose is but a form of strength, strength but a form of joy, joy but a form of love." -George MacDonald
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PhanTomCat
Teh Cat....



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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
#7442462 - 09/23/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Capatalistc nomad said: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life If i want to go and blow my brains out, any time, any place. Its my right as a human being.
It is within your ability....  It is also within your ability to decide what "rights" you have.... 
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backfromthedead
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Re: Its my right, and my right alone, To choose to end my life. [Re: ZippoZ]
#7447070 - 09/24/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Suicide in a spirituality forum?? Give up?? Warrior?? Good work.



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