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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452440 - 09/25/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

people use hps/hid cos its a proven method... if flouros were better we would be using them. :rolleyes:


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7452467 - 09/25/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well, i guess there is something to be said for a proven method. Maybe some experiments are in order.

How many lumens are you guys running at in a typical HID setup....lets say per plant instead of per area?

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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452476 - 09/25/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

vertical floros will give horizontal photons which in turn will give little to no photosynthesis.


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452478 - 09/25/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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show me science!






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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452481 - 09/25/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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well, i guess there is something to be said for a proven method. Maybe some experiments are in order.




the experiments HAVE been done, that is what "proven method" means...


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452484 - 09/25/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

As I said a shit-load of growers have tried both.
Floros are not as good.
There is a lot of science.
I will not break my back trying to gather it for you.
If you cant take our word for it browse the multitude of ganja forums and look through the grow-logs.


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7452488 - 09/25/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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well, i guess there is something to be said for a proven method. Maybe some experiments are in order.




the experiments HAVE been done, that is what "proven method" means...



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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7452506 - 09/25/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol, science indeed sir. LowRyder?

in all reality, i think the reason people REALLY continually go with HID setups is because they can have a very small amount of total lamps (like 1 400W HPS instead of 10 to 15 CFLS or 20 or more flouros).


oh and nalim...i think instead of "horizontal photons" you mean that less light hits the leaves.

we as a community really should strive to understand why we do things.

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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452527 - 09/25/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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oh and nalim...i think instead of "horizontal photons" you mean that less light hits the leaves.



:wtf:
horizontal photon current --> less hits/worse angle(bigger loss through bad penetration through the individual leaf, longer distance from impact to photosystem 2)
I just assumed that was inductively obvious.

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in all reality, i think the reason people REALLY continually go with HID setups is because they can have a very small amount of total lamps (like 1 400W HPS instead of 10 to 15 CFLS or 20 or more flouros).



How many times do you need to hear it: NO!
It has been tried.
Wattage aginst wattage.
Lumen against lumen.
HPS wins.
Read up.


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452539 - 09/25/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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lol, science indeed sir. LowRyder?




fuck lowryder... thats a propper indica trained how i want...
u havent ever grown weed indoors have u jslice?


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in all reality, i think the reason people REALLY continually go with HID setups is because they can have a very small amount of total lamps (like 1 400W HPS instead of 10 to 15 CFLS or 20 or more flouros).




u make a good point about number of lights...
quite simply: who the hell wants a billion CFL's with a billion wires all over the place... if anything its a damn fire hazard and a pain in the ass...


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
    #7452545 - 09/25/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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As I said a shit-load of growers have tried both.
Floros are not as good.
There is a lot of science.
I will not break my back trying to gather it for you.
If you cant take our word for it browse the multitude of ganja forums and look through the grow-logs.




sorry, I actually was trying to find references that are not based on what people have experienced growing pot in there basement/closet. I guess looking for academic articles was the wrong direction to go in.

I was also browsing non-drug gardening forums (gardenweb) and have found there are alot of contradictory statements on the internet (drug and non-drug sites) when it comes to grow lights.

i dont grow pot, i have 2 cherry tomatoes, and 2 cilantro, and i have 1 46 watt CFL (2700 lumens). I have no problems at all. This is why i ask so many questions.

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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7452549 - 09/25/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh thats what he meant:rofl:
I totally missed that.
If that had been a lowryder you'd been my ganja god forreal(not just a demi-god).


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
    #7452563 - 09/25/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if lowryder produced like that, id have been growing it all along :lol:


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and have found there are alot of contradictory statements on the internet




the internet is contradictory by nature.


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7452572 - 09/25/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

indeed.

thanks for indulging my curiosity (which is far from satiated).

on the note of whether or not things work how people say...im off to build my ultrasonic fog cloner. :wink:

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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
    #7452587 - 09/25/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ultrasonic fog cloners are good from what I hear.
If you're interested in comparing cfls floros and hps you could check out some logs on here:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65535
a lot of good info there too.


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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
    #7463250 - 09/28/07 06:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well just to clear up I'm gonna continue with my original set-up as shown on this grow. Two 4 foot fluorescent tubes (one is "Natural Sunshine" and the other is "Plant/Aquarium". And two CFL's. One is the GE Genura. And the other is the TCP 23 Par 38 style reflector. And I may not have had the pictures taken well, but the setup is not a fire hazard. I have everything grounded and properly routed and terminated. So if anything I will use this as a base experiment for growing under fluorescent lights. I am very interested for my next time I grow(if I do) to get a HPS set-up. Does the ballast from these HID lights (in particular the illustrious 400W HPS) give off a significant amount of heat. Since I am in a closet and rent I cannot make any permanent alterations to the room (ie a hole in the ceiling fo exhaust). Just a door opening once in a while is all I can afford. Thanks for everyones input so far.


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