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OfflineAlCapwn
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Was Leary a quack?
    #7437440 - 09/21/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm really having a hard time on deciding if he was crazy, or if he did the right thing. On one hand, he pretty much single handedly made LSD available to the world and henceforth, illegal. On the other hand, he was fighting the oppressors who ruin everyone's fun in the first place.

Opinions, I can't decide if I should respect him or not.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437497 - 09/21/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

in what categories are you speaking? his work on interpersonal therapy, and the Leary personality grid are still highly respected in the field.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437514 - 09/21/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He did the right thing and we owe a lot to him. LSD would have ended up illegal no matter what.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7437564 - 09/21/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont have much respect for him, He handled a lot of things wrong imo. While he was at harvard he had some good things going.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7437574 - 09/21/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He used bad science for his tests, but on the other hand he led a generation of people. I personally think LSD never had a chance to begin with because of how unpredictable it can be, so he did the right thing.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: fapjack]
    #7437610 - 09/21/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Should we continue to follow his teachings then?


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437659 - 09/21/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont respect him at all. Im not against him or anything, Im just not impressed.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437713 - 09/21/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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AlCapwn said:
Should we continue to follow his teachings then?




no. teach yourself about acid


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7437720 - 09/21/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was talking more about the Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out doctrine.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437741 - 09/21/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

he disregarded the dangers of lsd and gave it to children. he was a potential murderer. i'd say he was a loon with the right idea but he acted like a damn n00b.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437836 - 09/21/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

leary diddnt really teach that much. he was an educator, not a student of enlightonment. he thought his ideas and experience could transfer to everyone else and transfor socioty....so yeah, he was a quack in some sence. more just an ego driven lost prophet.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437917 - 09/21/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It was always about Leary. He didn't promote acid: he used acid as a vehicle to promote himself. I think he accomplished a lot and was a worthwhile person, but his ego was far too strong and prevented him from doing more.

If I'd ever had to deal with him, I'm pretty sure I'd have had to tell him to fuck off at some point. I despise egotists. But I also like and admire him. He could be very charming and interesting, when he felt it in his interest to be so.

Here's a great Leary clip where he gets into it with Art Linketter (who is an arch-conservative scumbag) :


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437972 - 09/21/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

seems like a lot of preconceived misinformation going on in this thread


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7437977 - 09/21/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He did a lot for psychedelic research, but I think he was really a crackpot.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: LucidDream]
    #7437987 - 09/21/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. That was one hell of a video! Thanks for posting that.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: zorbman]
    #7438060 - 09/21/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say leary was a "quack" as you put it. He probably had felt what alot of us have felt during our trips, and wanted to share it with the world. But, at least in my eyes, somewhere along the way he lost the plot and became a man on an ego trip.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7438176 - 09/21/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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When talking about somebody like this you have to realize that, over time, people may just change their viewpoints and progress as an individual as a whole. I feel that, while I never knew him personally, the older Leary changed quite a bit from the Leary of the 60's and early 70's. He seemed to regulate his hyper enthusiasm later on, which got the better of him early in his career.

He was also a person who was largely demonized by the government and media. If he was'nt around, then someone else would have been the target. The governments feed off the ignorance of the mass. They only need one person to target, shut down, and show a falsified example of to crush an entire movement.
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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7438191 - 09/21/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

AlCapwn said:
I'm really having a hard time on deciding if he was crazy, or if he did the right thing. On one hand, he pretty much single handedly made LSD available to the world and henceforth, illegal. On the other hand, he was fighting the oppressors who ruin everyone's fun in the first place.

Opinions, I can't decide if I should respect him or not.




With out getting into the discussion here, I call him a dip shit, I think he was a manipulator-con-man out for easy money. He stunk from top to bottom and I don't care for his books.

All a matter of opinion.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7438933 - 09/22/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Just look at his work with consciousness / brain change to see his contributions to humanity, and understand why the government wanted him locked up, and wanted LSD therapy / research suppressed, and the compound made illegal.


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Re: Was Leary a quack? [Re: Clean]
    #7438950 - 09/22/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

All you have to know is his guidelines for a safe trip have stood the test of time:

Set and setting.

He helped create the template for an acid trip. Many people have benefited from his advice without even realizing it.

He told us to "Tune in. Turn on. Drop out."

He was a pioneer and not without his flaws, like any man, yet his work holds up after all these years. That is the hallmark of a great man.

Too many people trip just for shits and giggles without taking advantage of the potential for inner growth. Timothy Leary showed us the way and his methods have endured. That is all you really need to know.


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