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Judgment day.
    #7437234 - 09/21/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I noticed something about my thought process when I judge others. I expect my judgment to change reality. I must think I am god. :crazy2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7437257 - 09/21/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

for a bit of perspective
tonite and tomorrow is Yom Kippur
*the holidays begin in the evening*
god is god
and you are you.
it's a kind of judgment day that comes each year
the sins of the year are reviewed
before a clear mind while fasting
and repentance of a sort
takes place. (the process is difficult)


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7437280 - 09/21/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Well my sin is the arrogance of doubting the existence of god and scorning religion. Among about a million other things. Plus I'm unrepentant.

Am I forgiven anyway?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7437368 - 09/21/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I forgivest thou.

You are guilty of doubting the concepts of God. You do not doubt your own Consciousness and if you were to follow your own Consciousness back to its source, you would Experience God and have no need to hold a concept about
God. Concepts are thoughts which are as ephemeral as clouds. We may wish to keep certain thoughts in mind over long periods of time, but those thoughts (about God) remain in time. God is not in time and thoughts about God are not God.

The eye which sees but which cannot be seen is the paradox of being, at bottom, Being Itself. Your judgement is also a thought-emotion (Hod-Netzach) and so it is not God either. The 'space' of Consciousness from which your thoughts and emotions take form is 'God.'  :heart: Tat Tvam Asi! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Twam_Asi


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7438919 - 09/21/07 11:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

it doesn't matter what you believe, as long as you are aware of it, and forgiveness is not that big an issue on Yom Kippur
honesty is.

I guess it's more about admission of fact
rather than guilt.

truth before the almighty muchness, by any name, of whatever known or unknown power. (preconceived notions of god don't actually help in this process of atonement, which is a measuring one's self against one's sense of justice and one's conduct for the year.)


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7438925 - 09/22/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I noticed something about my thought process when I judge others. I expect my judgment to change reality. I must think I am god. :crazy2:




I have been in non-stop therapy since you said those things about me. Tough love, right?


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7439122 - 09/22/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

if everyone was aware of everyone else's thoughts, we would judge ourselves as one. then would come "judgment day"

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: qwertymkonji]
    #7439145 - 09/22/07 02:02 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Judgment isn't good or bad, it's just fact. It's a revelation of what things truly are. There is no imposed judgment, just simply a revelation which you know to yourself must be true.

Jesus said to the Pharisees that he would never judge them. Never judge the judgers? That's kind of an object lesson to me, at least. He said that they would be judged by Moses, in whom they had put their hope: by their own dynamic. So really, we're judged by ourselves. When we judge others, we are judging ourselves, because we really are each other, and what I see in you is really inside of me.

If judgment were really to occur, I think everybody would be surprised. Nobody can truly see themselves. We look in the mirror for a reason, to see things that we don't know are there on our own.

Judgment by its purest meaning will only ever come after we decide to look upon ourselves and away from others.


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7439926 - 09/22/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You do not doubt your own Consciousness and if you were to follow your own Consciousness back to its source, you would Experience God and have no need to hold a concept about

As those crazy kids on that lost planet said to Captain Kirk.

"NO MORE BLAH BLAH BLAH!"


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7439940 - 09/22/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Try not to panic, but today is...

LAUNDRY DAY! :eek:


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7439958 - 09/22/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I noticed something about my thought process when I judge others. I expect my judgment to change reality. I must think I am god. :crazy2:




I have been in non-stop therapy since you said those things about me. Tough love, right?




Right. I'm a big believer in TL


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7439971 - 09/22/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

...And when Being takes your attention, there will be "no more blah blah blah."
Do you think that you exist in complete isolation? Like everyone else, you are a wave formed of the Ocean, which is God.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7440070 - 09/22/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If you were the creator I would take your pontifications seriously. But as you know as little (from your posts) about it as I, I can just go on my merry way.

Now I do believe that I am made of the same stuff as everything else. What that means or if it is important in any egocentric man wishing way I do not know.

I am honest enough to admit to this unlike some.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7440075 - 09/22/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps God=Carbon?  :lol:

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Veritas]
    #7440110 - 09/22/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

God=Death Anxiety


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7441288 - 09/22/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think Pontiffs pontificate and the Creator creates. I however, just 'am' and Being in this simple sense IS Knowing.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7441311 - 09/22/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I, "being", also "know".


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7443454 - 09/23/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Of course. At this level, we're the same Being.

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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7443546 - 09/23/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

When you judge others you are merely reflecting the judgments that you have learned to make about yourself. Others are merely mirrors reflecting the disenfranchised parts of ourselves. This is the key to understanding the petty tyrant.


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7443950 - 09/23/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Reminds me of the verse, "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7446944 - 09/24/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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You do not doubt your own Consciousness and if you were to follow your own Consciousness back to its source, you would Experience God and have no need to hold a concept about

As those crazy kids on that lost planet said to Captain Kirk.

"NO MORE BLAH BLAH BLAH!"




Problem.:confused:


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: Icelander]
    #7447012 - 09/24/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I noticed something about my thought process when I judge others. I expect my judgment to change reality. I must think I am god. :crazy2:




Your judgement does change reality, although, usually, not in the most preferable way. :wink: When you judge, you are determining for yourself how reality is, and, subsequently, how you choose to interact with reality, thus changing it. :hehehe:


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Re: Judgment day. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7447249 - 09/24/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I noticed something about my thought process when I judge others. I expect my judgment to change reality. I must think I am god. :crazy2:




Your judgement does change reality, although, usually, not in the most preferable way. :wink: When you judge, you are determining for yourself how reality is, and, subsequently, how you choose to interact with reality, thus changing it. :hehehe:




That is true but what I was refering to is that my judgments change reality for others. As in my judgement "should" alter their behavior.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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