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kaal-kopje
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what (ps) species can this be?
#7436839 - 09/21/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Today i found these mushrooms. I suspect them to be a psilocybe species but i have never seen them before.
They were found growing from grass in the netherlands in the same habitat that supports ps. semilanceata and alot of other grassland species. Cap colour is orange (esp when young) to tan. Striated. Straw yellow when dry. Convex to almost flat often with a pronounced umbo. 1-10 cm diameter. Bigger thicker caps and stems then ps semilanceata. Seperable pellicle. Spore print is chocolate brown/purple. No blue bruising i could see.
For comparison: on the right ps semilanceata on the left the species i want to identify.
Different shapes and sizes of the mushroom



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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7436959 - 09/21/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are they blueing ? im not sure .. your in australia or new zealand eh ?
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7437015 - 09/21/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find those mushrooms growing around my beaos all the time. I have always been interested in what they are but i have not been able to pin point it. I first thought they were Ps. Pelliculosa because i find them in wood mulch all the time in the fall.
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7437175 - 09/21/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most likely it is Psilocybe strictipes which grows in your area often in grassy areas with P. semilanceata. I can do microscopy on a supplied specimen to confirm. PM for details.
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: Workman]
#7437333 - 09/21/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hello , those are psilocybe for sure , is posible to be luteonitens a no active variety , it said it grow in dung but in mexico is found in pastures near alpine forest
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: cactu]
#7437579 - 09/21/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Most likely it is Psilocybe strictipes which grows in your area often in grassy areas with P. semilanceata. I can do microscopy on a supplied specimen to confirm. PM for details.
Doesn't look much like Psilocybe strictipes to me, only because P. strictipes lacks an umbo.
Here is a pic of P. strictipes:
http://mycologie.catalogne.free.fr/ImagePagePhoto/Psilocybe_strictipes.jpg
Maybe it is P. silvatica, a cold weather species with an umbo that looks a bit similar. But I don't have any of my books here so that is a wild guess.
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kaal-kopje
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I doesnt look like ps. strictipes to me either because of its striking orange colour (the indoor photo's don't do justice) and because of its size. The mushrooms are bigger and firmer then ps semilanceata and almost all have a pronounced umbo.
A few more pics

The orange is a little more obvious in the picture.


I wonder if it could be Psilocybe laetissima "oranjegeel kaalkopje" which translates to "orangeyellow psilocybe". It was reported for the first time from holland in 2004.
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7438278 - 09/21/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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oranjegeel kaalkopje that most be it i notice a slight ring in some specimen did you notice any cortina in any pin around in the veil, i mean , nice specimen
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: cactu]
#7438794 - 09/21/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now that I have my books, I am pretty sure that is Psilocybe strictipes.
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Psilocybe laetissima courtesy of Google Books


If it is Psilocybe laetissima it is not active.
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kaal-kopje
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: Workman]
#7439323 - 09/22/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. And thanks workman for the description. It fits the specimens i collected nicely. I didnt suspect it to be active because of the absence of any bluing not even around the base of the stem like semilanceata often does.
Ps laetissima is on the red list of very endangered species in holland. If you guys still would like to do some microscopy for a def id on them i will contact you shortly.
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7440242 - 09/22/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybe inquilina grass rotting psilocybe.
im always finding these when im in lib territory,
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kaal-kopje
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: Mitchnast]
#7440495 - 09/22/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Possible but the stem of Psilocybe inquilina looks darker and less smooth and the colour of the cap is not this bright orange.
Edited by kaal-kopje (09/22/07 01:19 PM)
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7440988 - 09/22/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the spore print on those is purple/brown though right? cuz it looks like it isnt. but, maybe just immature specimens. this is a real interesting one.
how many unknown species have shroomery members found this year? lol
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kaal-kopje year. beautiful they are looking for help , danger specie, who can help me kaal-kopje . we all have a place in the world to take care .
are we using then or they are using us ,or is a perfect symbiosis
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: cactu]
#7442837 - 09/23/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Subbedhunter: yes purple prints. Cactu: i'll do my best but i don't now yet how to protect mushrooms. They seem to have a wil of their own...
By best fields are fields that are visited by wild birds like geese and duck One particular field was my favorite but year after year there were less mushrooms and now their are almost none. The birds also declined dramatically during that time. I wonder if there is a correlation between the two. But i'm going offtopic now.
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: kaal-kopje]
#7443789 - 09/23/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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can i told you what i do?, i learn about the habitat what they, love, prefer, what kill then , this will developed trough the years but you will get it until you Say i fell this is right , something i do, i remember the mexicana is not a endangered specie but was scarce ,in 2001.. what i do in the field i use the ants put mushrooms in the ants holes , soon they come and try to destroy the aggressor , an soon they realize is not a tread , and let it be but if obstacles their way they cut it in mini pieces and put it in places near the ant house, all ants become transporter of spores . , and they walk for all places , is like a hole army helping you in spore dispersal, this is a great technique, was teach by the mushrooms spirits to my lovely companion, was her first trip, this was downloaded to the mushrooms worlds, magic technology, jaja i don´t tell my secret so easy , but this one is for you , another thing is to cut then and travel with then and leave then in some place else cover with gras so the Sun dont kill then fast and they droop spores , more days, this help then spread, if you do in the specific habitat , grass liberty lands ,or where you know is right ,if you have big flushes cut only big old not deteriorate specimens to do this , if you do this more and more you will notice their appear more often, there is a direct relation in the distribution of psilocybe with men´s , , when we begging to use then , we begging to grow then , if you like it or not ,
have a good day my friend sometime there are not ant to help,
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: cactu]
#7444122 - 09/23/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mmmm those are some nice looking specimens
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> Possible but the stem of Psilocybe inquilina looks darker and less smooth and the colour of the cap is not this bright orange.
Looks like the cap color of Psilocybe inquilina is rather variable. After reading the below text, P. inquilina looks like a very good guess.

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you know Alan even i have never pick inquilina even that my avatar picture show what i believe is one , it was what i first thought ,since i did not see a bluing also let me to suppose it was inactive,then i see the ring very consistence in this specie but slighty , and i have never seem see one in pictures of inquilina as this ones, , also the stipite in inquilina is really different , whitish to reddish brown, adorned with whitish to brown fibrils toward the base, partial veil cortinate soon disappearing, .this may be the solution post more pictures of that veil kaal-kopje . but the stems let it apart inquilina for my point of view,i see more alike luteonitens, some how ,and when kaal-kopje mentioned it was this rare specie in the area what else could it be only grow there in that areas , i guess will see more details in more pictures of different stages also , but is good to discuss about new species isn´t
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Re: what (ps) species can this be? [Re: cactu]
#7444606 - 09/23/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must agree with cactu. I'm almost certain now its Psilocybe laetissima The text workman posted fits these mushrooms precise.
At first glance there are similarities with Psilocybe inquilina but there also are many differences that rule this species out i think.
Edited by kaal-kopje (09/23/07 04:21 PM)
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