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America is a falling empire. War is imminent
    #7436785 - 09/21/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

really the signs are all over the place.

we are currently in a recession, with the collapse of sub prime loans, and the dollar falling to historic lows. The country of Dubai Just bought 20% of the NASDAQ stock market.
so, yeah, economy is falling.

furthermore it would seem that there is a new war brewing over in the middle east. This time involving Iran, Syria, turkey, and Israel backed by the USA.

There has been an increase of pre-war rhetoric that is very similar to the rhetoric that we heard before the beginning of the Iraq War. Furthermore there has been a very large escalation of military readiness and aggression between Israel And Syria.

Most recently Israel bombed something out in the desert in Syria. Some say it was a weapons cache, possibly of nuclear material donated from N. Korea. possibly conventional weapons. one thing that is known for sure is that the united states aided Israel with Intelligence prior to this act.

Israel is so tense right now that they actually scrambled fighters over a small possibility of an air attack from Syria, which turned out to be a flock of birds.... They are definitely awaiting a military response to their attack inside Syria.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070921083056.g92owiam&show_article=1

it just looks so unstable....

Oh also, Russia has once again began keeping a strategic contingent of nuclear weapons in flight at all times. their fighters are also constantly breaching airspace over the EU. fighters have been scrambled several times from the EU to shadow these Russian flights.

Then about a week ago, Russia detonated the largest ever non nuclear weapon, called the FOAB, mocking the usa's MOAB. basically it was a large fuel air bomb.

Oil is also at an all time high, over $80 a barrel.

its all so scrambled. people taking sides... it just looks like conflict is imminent.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436817 - 09/21/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting time to be alive! :wink:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436818 - 09/21/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

this shit has been freaking me out alot over the last couple of weeks. all this tension, possibility of a draft, it's all just so fucked up...

i really don't know what to make of it all... let's hope all goes well :shineon:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436831 - 09/21/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I keep thinking of something I remember my grumpy crusty ol history teacher sayin in high school - the sign of a failing empire is one that fields a mercenary army...all this Blackwater talk really brings that quote back to mind


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436841 - 09/21/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:congrats: Happy you finally figured it out.  America, along with every other country will fall. 


People have believed America would not make it ever since it claimed independence.  I don't understand why people keep bring up the whole issue with america is going to hell.  None of this shit is knew.  We have gone through it before and, in my personal opinion, we will make it through fine.  Its a giant cycle. 

The past always seems so much better then it was. (That the best part about it!)  Well it was just as fucked up as it is now and we will continue to be as fucked up in the future.  There will always be hero's, villains, wars, and peace.  (of course, we can hope technology will help us direct these very deep instincts towards something other then  the earth/other people.)


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Toddo]
    #7436855 - 09/21/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

all i know is a draft will not work, not on me anyways.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7436860 - 09/21/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why not on you?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436868 - 09/21/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm looking forward to a massive collapse that surpasses even the bleakest of economic worst case scenarios.

I want to see Americans sneaking into Mexico and canada in search of a better life.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: razmablues]
    #7436886 - 09/21/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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razmablues said:
why not on you?




my beliefs go against serving the army of this country.

aka if they do by some small chance get a gun in my hand it will accidently go off in the wrong direction. or maybe ill rampage somewhere else

bottom line is i didn't start any war and i don't know who did or why were really their. I won't chance killing an inocient and being dammed for eternity


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7436902 - 09/21/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It might be cool if America broke up into smaller countries. It's the Federal government that wastes all our money on their bullshit. I would love not to have to be in the same country as some of these assholes who want to have a Christian fundamentalist republic.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7436913 - 09/21/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

makaveli8x8 said:
all i know is a draft will not work, not on me anyways.




The one true religion, is to not create any war of any kind on Earth!

So we'd better go collect all of those Bic lighters from all those poor dead Christians!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436915 - 09/21/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A draft will work on me! I drink bud light!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436947 - 09/21/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My most recent bike, was made in Taiwan! Which was soon destroyed my a hurricane, and i'm sitting in God's favorite chair, better hit taiwan, just like I hit Neva neva land, and bush didn't take care of it for me. So we soon sent The Canadians, with an army of motels!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436963 - 09/21/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Plus, we had to clean up the mess!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436980 - 09/21/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So we sent a Limousine fleet, for all the poor fighting negroes trapped in a football stadium!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436985 - 09/21/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck cleaning up the mess, our country itself is in a mess. We've got a lot of work to do to this country before it's even close to ready to fix up any mess outside of its country, whether it be its own mess (like this case) or someone elses mess (I have no examples...)


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7436996 - 09/21/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And dammit! I missed my favorite hurricane, so we ducked out to New Orleans a year early, and I landed in the middle of a shitstorm of Rainbow pride, masquerading as a party, a year early, dammit, so I could save my whole fucking family!

And so along came Jack and Jill! my favorite family of Flintstones!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437014 - 09/21/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lucky me, I got it all fixed up dying for it myself!

What a party town new Orleans knocked down, via hurricane!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437021 - 09/21/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A morning lie, and lifetimes pass me by!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437027 - 09/21/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I can't fix a shitstorm in New orleans, even if they wear masks! I am no Superman!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437040 - 09/21/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

and I can't raise the lost city of Atlantis, all my myself! I cant read the books my children send home from school. I'm not the Cat in the hat, nor a Ninja!

Where's Shroomism been hanging out?

Was it a tree? or a monkey playing with my string?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437064 - 09/21/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Life is a SHITSTORM! And I'm a Businessman! And someone almost wasted my mind, in order to produce brotherhood!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437066 - 09/21/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You make me wait, I make you wait. 'till fully satisfied!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437068 - 09/21/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How much longer must you hold on to that tree?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437073 - 09/21/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And I'm the only one you've got! better send a Ninja to tell me what time it is!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437075 - 09/21/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I was chosen for this, we three agree!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437084 - 09/21/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh mighty Shroomism, how much longer must you wait out the SHITSTORM WE ARE IN? the year 2012 is long past overdue! Do you have Allstate insurance? Have you waited it out for all of Atlantis? or are you in good hands, or did you send OJ to prison to play football?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7437098 - 09/21/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Capatalistc nomad said:
Oh also, Russia has once again began keeping a strategic contingent of nuclear weapons in flight at all times. their fighters are also constantly breaching airspace over the EU. fighters have been scrambled several times from the EU to shadow these Russian flights.



No, Russia resumed bomber flights that strictly stayed within international (NATO) airspace. Jets did not have to scramble as tho they were being suprised by the Russian's presence, they knew beforehand they Russian planes were coming, and each country that is responsible for the particular section of NATO airspace at the particular time has to escort the Russian planes through their designated section. These flights are pre-planned, and are allowed by the NATO countries. The "scrambling" you read about is all propaganda, written by one or two news sources (one of which was the BBC) and then sold to all other news outlets to print on their websites.

Also, the bombers are capable of carrying both nuclear and conventional bombs, but it was never said by Russia that they were carrying nukes. That they invaded any airspace, or that they are carrying nukes is untrue, and propaganda, or drama-news, and in both cases complete bullshit.

Also, the US and NATO both conduct their own long-range bomber patrols.


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Then about a week ago, Russia detonated the largest ever non nuclear weapon, called the FOAB, mocking the usa's MOAB. basically it was a large fuel air bomb.



"Mocking" is a provocative term that doesn't really apply. They explained the strength of their new bomb by comparing it to the bomb that was previously the most powerful, but nothing more.


War is the last thing Russia wants. Putin says he doesn't believe any modern crisis can be solved militarily. He was completely against the Iraq war, and he's even more against a war with Iran. He is againt the missile defense shield and has refused to build one for Russia in response to the US'. It was the US that disobeyed the militarisation or weaponisation of europe treaty, not Russia, and Russia has kept warning the US about all these things, and the US keeps ignoring them.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437104 - 09/21/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)
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me, as a foreigner, have been wondering why there hasn't been a revolution in america? a violent uprising killing the country from within.

forgive me as i upload this track from Hed Pe's last album. has some great lyrics (although somewhat childish) about that idea.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437110 - 09/21/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

God has but one eye, and I'm the only one you've got!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437114 - 09/21/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So you make me wait until my wedding day, to divide the universe?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437123 - 09/21/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And I'll sit on my big fat buddha ass, until you eat lunch!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437131 - 09/21/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Now get buzy flying over here to fix my buzy eye you most like a bee spit in!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437135 - 09/21/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So I had it rapidly repaired, just for me, so I could see the bright side of my wedding day!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437144 - 09/21/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

God LF just edit the damn posts geez. :rolleyes:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: razmablues]
    #7437173 - 09/21/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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razmablues said:
why not on you?




I'm sorry I didn't believe you, but there was a bar nearby! Or so I've heard. Maybe we'd better both ask shroomism pretty please, to raise the lost city of Atlantis, all by ourselves then?

Or should we go ask God first?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437274 - 09/21/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Why didn't it work on me?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437278 - 09/21/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Am I dreaming?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437288 - 09/21/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Or is the war over now?

Or is that crazy indian till jamming on previously buttered bread?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437308 - 09/21/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Or did this really work?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437311 - 09/21/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Or did I miss out on it all?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437316 - 09/21/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

perhaps I missed one of your shows!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437365 - 09/21/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck dude that is so annoying. This isnt OTD.


Why ruin his thread with that crap?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437372 - 09/21/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I must really be satan thenng fun!, because I'm still having fun! And my fun team havent arrived, have i been trapped in an airplane?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437436 - 09/21/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

looks like he lost his marbles. one card short of a full deck. lights are on but nobody's home. that sort of a thing.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437597 - 09/21/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've been thinking the same thing about this country over the past week or so. On top of starting a war that we cannot get out of in the middle east, there seems to be an increase in violence in this country. For example, its almost a common thing to hear about school shootings now, whereas before it was a terrible thing that was all over the news. In the most recent one (forget what college it was at) i think two people were killed, and it didn't even make it onto the 24hour news stations from what i saw.

Not to mention racism is still alive and well, as this whole Jena 6 thing shows.

People are getting tasered all over the place (UCLA and more recently UF) and almost nothing is being done about it, besides the firing of the cops and awarding money to the victim (does anyone know what ever happened to that UCLA case by the way?).

I really wonder how long its going to be until there is a revolution of some sort. That Mayan prophecy of the world ending in 2012 doesn't seem so far out there nowadays.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437662 - 09/21/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No wonder you're so well-known as the resident fucking idiot of this website.

(That's not a flame, it's a FACT...)


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #7437689 - 09/21/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

is that directed at me?...

If so, dont really see how that would be possible seeing as ive only posted on here 6 times buddy. How do you get off calling me a fucking idiot when LF is talking a page and a half of nonsense. I never even said that the mayan thing was true, all i said was that it doesnt seem so far out there by the looks of things these days.

If not, disregard everything i just said.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7437728 - 09/21/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

seriously, if you're going to make 15 fucking posts in a row, at least make them relevant to the topic, why haven't you been perma banned yet?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ApJunkie]
    #7437730 - 09/21/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yes, he needs to be perma-banned. most definently.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Gunners89]
    #7437733 - 09/21/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

he was replying to lightning fractal, don't be so uppity man. LF is the guy that's writing all the nonsensical things. And yes, times are pretty bad, or so it seems. Although information is being brought to us in so many ways and so quickly that it may just seem that times are shitty, at least in the US. Abroad things do seem pretty tense.

And I agree with everyone , Its been a while since the US had had a legitimate revolution.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7437767 - 09/21/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's always doomsday at the shroomery :smirk: :lol:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: breakableweed]
    #7437777 - 09/21/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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the sign of a failing empire is one that fields a mercenary army



:yesnod:

That is what happened to Rome in its last days. Another sign is frequent wars with the resulting crippling debt which forces the empire to debase its currency.

Also Rome had troubles with barbarians. We call them "terrorists" nowadays.

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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7437786 - 09/21/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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zorbman said:
Buy all the silver and gold you can.




Never thought of it like that, but thats good advice.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7437789 - 09/21/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why would america get a mercenary army? doesn't it have all the sheep it needs to sacrifice?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Idiot]
    #7437794 - 09/21/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

haha thats what i was thinking but you never know...

aside from the man-made problems, the natural disasters that i'm hearing about (Katrina, Tsunamis, Floods, etc.) are becoming more numerous than ever it seems. :frown:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437812 - 09/21/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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why would america get a mercenary army? doesn't it have all the sheep it needs to sacrifice?




The mercenaries come about towards the end stage of the empire life cycle. This is the point when the government has been almost totally taken over by powerful business interests.

Also as the empire ages and becomes involved in increasingly frivilous wars the common man is unwilling to risk his life for money so the mercenaries increasingly do the dirty work of the large corporations. That is why I believe in a draft- if people's lives are on the line they won't allow their government to fight bullshit wars like Iraq.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7437832 - 09/21/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well there aren't any universal guidelinas for the downfall of an empire. american is too paranoid to get mercenaries anyway.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Gunners89]
    #7437835 - 09/21/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Natural disaster always happen, there not on a rise. There just happening consistently. There a sign of a healthy planet, they may cause physical damage, but that's repairable. Hurricanes mix up the atmosphere and probably reduce air pollution. Floods deposit rich soil on farmland which ups production. Tsunamis are a side effect of earthquakes which are natural ever occurring events. Tsunamis are the only event that I cant pull a pro from off the top of my head.

board5tiff: Americans are too paranoid.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Idiot]
    #7437853 - 09/21/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437858 - 09/21/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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american is too paranoid to get mercenaries anyway.




You must not be following the Iraq war closely. There are tons of them over there. The Iraqi government just terminated the contract of Blackwater the other day for reckless disregard of life. They are pretty much unaccountable and shoot people for sport, cutting them off in traffic, etc. Imagine handing a gun and body armor to your average road rager and letting him do whatever the hell he wants.

No wonder they are so despised by Iraqis.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7437871 - 09/21/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

oops, i meant "expendable mercenaries". they probably let the iraqi army do the dangerous jobs and keep the "american" soldiers out of most of the shit. the government has always recruited foreign rebels/terrorists to do their dirty work in other countries, counting on the fact they will be killed/sacrificed in the process.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7438014 - 09/21/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
all i know is a draft will not work, not on me anyways.




Me neither. I'm a felon.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7438494 - 09/21/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Buy all the silver and gold you can.





That's tinfoil hat talk.

Or rather.. Actually less than a year ago I brought this very topic up when gold was at $600 a troy ounce. Today gold peaked at $735 per troy ounce. I harped about gold having gained 20% profit each year on the dollar for 6 years previous.

But, like, that's tinfoil hat talk :tinfoil:

Today you could've cashed in on a net profit of 22.5% over the last year. How much is a savings account? Three percent? Real inflation in the US may be between 5-10% (estimates vary) so anyone netting less profit than that was actually losing money.

The recent events have made me a firm believer once more in the Cheuvreux gold report. Gold may take a detour but its going up to $900 an ounce.

I'm not going to urge people to buy gold and silver, but they really should look into this gold and silver talk and draw their own conclusions. If you held onto dollars in 2001 your hundred dollars are now worth sixty dollars of yesterday money at most, while the goldbugs have turned their $100 into $250.

Tinfoil hats I'm sure.

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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Asante]
    #7438545 - 09/21/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Keep fighting the good fight Zorbman!




Most people here are not of the age where they worry about the economy overly much. Within two years the economy will have deteriorated to the point where even the most stupid dolt among us will understand the value of true wealth.

This week the new Fed chairman, Ben Bernanke, exposed his long predicted strategy: They will crank up the printing presses to avoid the inevitable pain from the easy credit environment they created. They will sacrifice the dollar. In staving off a market correction they are insuring a terrible market crash.

From a selfish point of view I am happy that very few can see the global tsunami headed our way. It gives me that much longer to load up on incredibly cheap silver and gold. :thumbup:

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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7438601 - 09/21/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, so.. what else is new?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7438826 - 09/21/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Capatalistc nomad writes:

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we are currently in a recession...




Actually, no. Twenty three successive quarters of growth since September 11, 2001. Not a single one of those quarters had negative growth. So no recession, sorry.

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...and the dollar falling to historic lows.




That's bad news for some Americans, great news for others. See http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/21/markets/dollar/index.htm?postversion=2007092116

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The country of Dubai Just bought 20% of the NASDAQ stock market.




Actually, no again. Where are you getting your information from? A Dubai company wants to buy a 20% stake in the Nasdaq exchange, yes. The deal hasn't happened yet. If it does (and it may not), it is important to note that buying 20% of the Nasdaq stock exchange is not the same as buying 20% of the Nasdaq stock MARKET.

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so, yeah, economy is falling.




So no, the economy is not falling. Quite the reverse, in fact.



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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Phred]
    #7438835 - 09/21/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some of you fail to realise that money is actually dept. Out of all the money printed it makes up for 5% of the money in circulation. Money is created out of loans by the banks with money that doesn't even exist. Everyone's debts can be magically restored and a new sytem could begin over night. Watch this vid, it can get the point across a lot better then I. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: breakableweed]
    #7438915 - 09/21/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Mercenaries certainly dont signal the end of an empire or nation. Mercenary forces have been the norm throughout history and will likely remain the norm into the future. Having citizens of a nation fight for an idea rather then treasure is a minority.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: DieCommie]
    #7439204 - 09/22/07 03:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what about the huge financial debt america holds before other countries? what about low levels of education? lately everyone got a laugh out of the news that americans thought penguin is a fish and then the citizens were unable to locate the states on the globe.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7439434 - 09/22/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That contributes the most. Half the population is uneducated and the U.S. is going to run out of money to fight its endless wars. Income disparity is also rising sharply.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: bukkake]
    #7439501 - 09/22/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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bukkake said:
Half the population is uneducated and the U.S. is going to run out of money to fight its endless wars.




The U.S. federal government actually spends much more money on providing health care to the poor and old through the Medicaid and Medicare programs than it does on the Iraq war.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7439887 - 09/22/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'll start looking out for impending economic failure when my graduate professors start warning us....until then - i trust their Ph.Ds over you all's post count.

my MBA concentration is business & economic forecasting - i'll let you all know when my professors start warning us :smile:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7440386 - 09/22/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, but submit to the audience that war is only a symptom of our disease, not the illness itself.

Wars throughout history have been waged to distract focus away from serious problems that a corrupt state can not fix, which is just about everything, really.

Every government starts with good intentions-- and I'm unashamed to say that the United States had the best chance, with a truly "clean slate" to form a government that could start fresh with the lessons learned from history, and be far less-saddled with the corruptions and traditions long-held and long-ailing beliefs and traditions entrenched in Europe and other established governments.

Still, the inevitable has occurred-- the United States is led by men who are given the powers once reserved to the Emperors once worshiped as Gods-- but today we cleave that emperor up into 535 pieces, each with his/her own self-serving desires and designs, and choose amongst an array of plastic, empty suits, one carrying a "D" shaped flag, the other, an "R" and deceive ourselves into thinking that we have a better, more just form of government, because these power-hungry and power-minded elite are "elected". A farce-- the will of the fraction, imposed therefore against the will of the others.

This Leviathan re-labels his army into an iron-walled "government bureaucracy", handing it the power to imprison us for decades should we not pay it whatever it demands "for the public good"with our labor and our lives, allowing it to control our thoughts, raise and indoctrinate our children with their ideals and dictations, known as the Department of (re)Education, and strip all of the elements of true liberty from their thoughts, making them good, unquestioning "citizens" of the religion that has replaced (through mockery and spite) the worship of a supernatural god (which can not be controlled by the state because, by it's very nature, it demands allegiance to a higher moral authority than the men controlling the state: if you believe in a christian god, a pagan one, or natural law derived from reason and consequence, you are a heretic to the state: unacceptable, and therefore punished and erased... the state must be the god, and must be obeyed-- the law says so-- the law written by the very men it serves...

Our story has been told hundreds of times before-- the difference here is the stunning speed in which we have allowed it to happen.

The ending is the same.

The state is the inevitable enemy of liberty, because it is comprised of men who impose their will by threat of force upon you whether you agree with them or not.
These men use an imposed reverence of "government", this artificially concocted supremacy of "their law" as opposed to natural law", to keep an uneducated and fearful population in check.

This reverence is supposed to distract you from the fact that, while they say they represent you, any dictation they make is forced upon you should you agree or not: we go to war and kill/die by the thousands, because they say so.
We wrest money from all working men to pay for it. Can you say no?

Dare you say no?

Someday, the artifice will crumble, and the shameful truth will again reveal that belligerent empires are not "states" run amok, or even evil men controlling an innocent people, but citizens, with complicity, fooled in broad daylight into believing that those they let rule them are not as corrupt, opportunistic, lazy, and wicked as they clearly are.

Our culture, all cultures, allow this to happen. It is in mankind's nature to be corrupted. But if there is any hope to be had, it is that we HAVE learned to defeat it-- truly, and completely-- through the exercise and adhesion to natural law.

As long as we deny natural law, it will happen over and over again, a different age with the exact same lesson: power allowed to man over the property and work of another will result in tyranny. Period.

READ THIS to get some insight to what I'm talking about.

I sound like a crazy anarchist, but I'm not: I believe in liberty, and I believe in everyone's right to live and enjoy their lives without being assaulted by a mafia family relabeled "government" and oppressed from cradle to grave in servitude and imposed allegiance to it.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: coAsTal]
    #7440446 - 09/22/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm generally thought to be one of the more paranoid, angry, cynical people on the boards and all I can say is smoke a blunt and settle in for the ride. :yesnod:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7440521 - 09/22/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Now the economy may be falling but weve got a hell of a long way to go until we collapse..
I agree the economy is falling, but do you relize america has the 2nd largest economy in the world...
Not to say we have the most advanced millitary out there

So I want to ask you this...why should you fucus on the negative factors of america, and if you live in america and you dont really give a hell about America, and youd rather have the economy fall..then fine...belive what you want...but i know for sure i want our nation to stay were it is, because i wouldnt have the life i have without it.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: jccc]
    #7440557 - 09/22/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the soviet union collapsed within a few days.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7440572 - 09/22/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh but the soviet union's economy was run by the community..(communism)...and americas is primaraly capitalism...capatialism allows privte ownership of your buisness and what it makes...
It would be impossible for it to collapse that quickly


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: jccc]
    #7440598 - 09/22/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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but do you relize america has the 2nd largest economy in the world...




The U.S. does not have the second largest economy. It has the first largest.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7440622 - 09/22/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i'd say it doesn't matter what idealistic system the country runs on (and certainly not capitalism, usa is more run by a few companies and a handful of people who decide what goes down and where, like international bankers who decide if they give money to countries tha tgo to war).


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: coAsTal]
    #7440689 - 09/22/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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but today we cleave that emperor up into 535 pieces, each with his/her own self-serving desires and designs




Um...you mean like their constituents?

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handing it the power to imprison us for decades should we not pay it whatever it demands "for the public good"with our labor and our lives




The problem isn't these elites.  It's the general public who elects them and whines to get more and more services from the government.  When the public starts demanding more and more governmental stuff then they have to raise taxes and borrow money.  :shrug:  It's the general public who is short-sighted and stupid that is causing the problem.

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allowing it to control our thoughts




Huh?  I can't think of any instances when the government tried to control my thoughts.

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raise and indoctrinate our children with their ideals and dictations, known as the Department of (re)Education




Then home-school your kids.  :shrug:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7440693 - 09/22/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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the soviet union collapsed within a few days.


Right, I guess you think Rome collapsed in one day too huh?

The soviet union's collapse was years in the making.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7440705 - 09/22/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)




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Most people here are not of the age where they worry about the economy overly much.




Aye, and they haven't got a good notion what 100 bucks bought in 1997 and what it buys now in 2007.


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This week the new Fed chairman, Ben Bernanke, exposed his long predicted strategy: They will crank up the printing presses to avoid the inevitable pain from the easy credit environment they created. They will sacrifice the dollar. In staving off a market correction they are insuring a terrible market crash.




We know what's going down, and also what's going up. Some Shroomerites will go d'oh! in 2017 when they read back those old posts of ours. After a catastrophy, everybody wonders why they didn't see it coming while the evidence had been there in their faces.

Guys, if you bother to look, so help you google, it'll be clear as day that Vesuvius is smoking and the townsfolk of Pompei are merrily going about their business like nothing's wrong.

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From a selfish point of view I am happy that very few can see the global tsunami headed our way. It gives me that much longer to load up on incredibly cheap silver and gold.




Thats evil but I catch your drift. We will be there when the world dashes for gold and the price will soar.


For the skeptics I have a couple of questions to find some answers to.


-is it true that the US Federal Reserve and the ECB print and circulate more dollars each year than economic growth calls for?

-What is the "real inflation" in the US?

-What is hyperinflation?

-Why does Ron Paul (a sane man even if you wouldn't vote for him) stress that some sort of gold standard should be returned to the Dollar?

-What is the Amero?

-How much gold do the Central Banks physically own, and why do they misrepresent this?

-what are the major conclusions of the Cheuvreux Gold Report?

-What is the world silver reserve, and what are our annual silver needs?

- etc etc


There are so many questions and there are so many answers. Do some websearching and find your own.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: DieCommie]
    #7440707 - 09/22/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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the soviet union collapsed within a few days.


Right, I guess you think Rome collapsed in one day too huh?

The soviet union's collapse was years in the making.




no, i don't think that. the end of every empire starts from the day the empire starts, so what? but the collapse happened in a few days, rome took years to collapse due to invading forces, SU collapsed from within.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: DieCommie]
    #7440720 - 09/22/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The soviet union's collapse was years in the making.




Thats what we're saying: that these are the years of the collapse being in the making.

The ultimate collapse, plain for all to see, may be over in less than a month.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Asante]
    #7440793 - 09/22/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

There are several instances of financial meltdowns in recent years. Russia went bankrupt and its currency was devalued. Mexico's peso was devalued. Both of those countries survived.

Now, is America's governmental and consumer debt high? Yes, it is. However, it should be noted that the U.S. federal government's debt is about %65 of the national GDP. This is actually low when compared to other nations. Japan's debt to GDP ratio is like %150 or something. I'm not minimizing the U.S. national debt but the U.S. has vast natural resources and generates a shitload of wealth (the U.S. accounts for roughly %50 of the world's economic activity). Is the shit going to hit the fan any time soon? No. Will it someday (especially with all of the old people needing medical care and such)? Possibly.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7440812 - 09/22/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah and if the dollar is devalued that makes importing goods not as attractive maybe even start manufacturing more.I say the sooner this happens the better if it takes a long time it could get ugly.


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