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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7437858 - 09/21/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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american is too paranoid to get mercenaries anyway.




You must not be following the Iraq war closely. There are tons of them over there. The Iraqi government just terminated the contract of Blackwater the other day for reckless disregard of life. They are pretty much unaccountable and shoot people for sport, cutting them off in traffic, etc. Imagine handing a gun and body armor to your average road rager and letting him do whatever the hell he wants.

No wonder they are so despised by Iraqis.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7437871 - 09/21/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

oops, i meant "expendable mercenaries". they probably let the iraqi army do the dangerous jobs and keep the "american" soldiers out of most of the shit. the government has always recruited foreign rebels/terrorists to do their dirty work in other countries, counting on the fact they will be killed/sacrificed in the process.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7438014 - 09/21/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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all i know is a draft will not work, not on me anyways.




Me neither. I'm a felon.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: zorbman]
    #7438494 - 09/21/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Buy all the silver and gold you can.





That's tinfoil hat talk.

Or rather.. Actually less than a year ago I brought this very topic up when gold was at $600 a troy ounce. Today gold peaked at $735 per troy ounce. I harped about gold having gained 20% profit each year on the dollar for 6 years previous.

But, like, that's tinfoil hat talk :tinfoil:

Today you could've cashed in on a net profit of 22.5% over the last year. How much is a savings account? Three percent? Real inflation in the US may be between 5-10% (estimates vary) so anyone netting less profit than that was actually losing money.

The recent events have made me a firm believer once more in the Cheuvreux gold report. Gold may take a detour but its going up to $900 an ounce.

I'm not going to urge people to buy gold and silver, but they really should look into this gold and silver talk and draw their own conclusions. If you held onto dollars in 2001 your hundred dollars are now worth sixty dollars of yesterday money at most, while the goldbugs have turned their $100 into $250.

Tinfoil hats I'm sure.

Keep fighting the good fight Zorbman!


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Asante]
    #7438545 - 09/21/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Keep fighting the good fight Zorbman!




Most people here are not of the age where they worry about the economy overly much. Within two years the economy will have deteriorated to the point where even the most stupid dolt among us will understand the value of true wealth.

This week the new Fed chairman, Ben Bernanke, exposed his long predicted strategy: They will crank up the printing presses to avoid the inevitable pain from the easy credit environment they created. They will sacrifice the dollar. In staving off a market correction they are insuring a terrible market crash.

From a selfish point of view I am happy that very few can see the global tsunami headed our way. It gives me that much longer to load up on incredibly cheap silver and gold. :thumbup:

When paper burns, metal will shine!  :sunny:  :bow: 


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7438601 - 09/21/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, so.. what else is new?


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7438826 - 09/21/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Capatalistc nomad writes:

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we are currently in a recession...




Actually, no. Twenty three successive quarters of growth since September 11, 2001. Not a single one of those quarters had negative growth. So no recession, sorry.

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...and the dollar falling to historic lows.




That's bad news for some Americans, great news for others. See http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/21/markets/dollar/index.htm?postversion=2007092116

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The country of Dubai Just bought 20% of the NASDAQ stock market.




Actually, no again. Where are you getting your information from? A Dubai company wants to buy a 20% stake in the Nasdaq exchange, yes. The deal hasn't happened yet. If it does (and it may not), it is important to note that buying 20% of the Nasdaq stock exchange is not the same as buying 20% of the Nasdaq stock MARKET.

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so, yeah, economy is falling.




So no, the economy is not falling. Quite the reverse, in fact.



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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Phred]
    #7438835 - 09/21/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Some of you fail to realise that money is actually dept. Out of all the money printed it makes up for 5% of the money in circulation. Money is created out of loans by the banks with money that doesn't even exist. Everyone's debts can be magically restored and a new sytem could begin over night. Watch this vid, it can get the point across a lot better then I. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: breakableweed]
    #7438915 - 09/21/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Mercenaries certainly dont signal the end of an empire or nation. Mercenary forces have been the norm throughout history and will likely remain the norm into the future. Having citizens of a nation fight for an idea rather then treasure is a minority.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: DieCommie]
    #7439204 - 09/22/07 03:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what about the huge financial debt america holds before other countries? what about low levels of education? lately everyone got a laugh out of the news that americans thought penguin is a fish and then the citizens were unable to locate the states on the globe.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7439434 - 09/22/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That contributes the most. Half the population is uneducated and the U.S. is going to run out of money to fight its endless wars. Income disparity is also rising sharply.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: bukkake]
    #7439501 - 09/22/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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bukkake said:
Half the population is uneducated and the U.S. is going to run out of money to fight its endless wars.




The U.S. federal government actually spends much more money on providing health care to the poor and old through the Medicaid and Medicare programs than it does on the Iraq war.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7439887 - 09/22/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'll start looking out for impending economic failure when my graduate professors start warning us....until then - i trust their Ph.Ds over you all's post count.

my MBA concentration is business & economic forecasting - i'll let you all know when my professors start warning us :smile:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: ZippoZ]
    #7440386 - 09/22/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, but submit to the audience that war is only a symptom of our disease, not the illness itself.

Wars throughout history have been waged to distract focus away from serious problems that a corrupt state can not fix, which is just about everything, really.

Every government starts with good intentions-- and I'm unashamed to say that the United States had the best chance, with a truly "clean slate" to form a government that could start fresh with the lessons learned from history, and be far less-saddled with the corruptions and traditions long-held and long-ailing beliefs and traditions entrenched in Europe and other established governments.

Still, the inevitable has occurred-- the United States is led by men who are given the powers once reserved to the Emperors once worshiped as Gods-- but today we cleave that emperor up into 535 pieces, each with his/her own self-serving desires and designs, and choose amongst an array of plastic, empty suits, one carrying a "D" shaped flag, the other, an "R" and deceive ourselves into thinking that we have a better, more just form of government, because these power-hungry and power-minded elite are "elected". A farce-- the will of the fraction, imposed therefore against the will of the others.

This Leviathan re-labels his army into an iron-walled "government bureaucracy", handing it the power to imprison us for decades should we not pay it whatever it demands "for the public good"with our labor and our lives, allowing it to control our thoughts, raise and indoctrinate our children with their ideals and dictations, known as the Department of (re)Education, and strip all of the elements of true liberty from their thoughts, making them good, unquestioning "citizens" of the religion that has replaced (through mockery and spite) the worship of a supernatural god (which can not be controlled by the state because, by it's very nature, it demands allegiance to a higher moral authority than the men controlling the state: if you believe in a christian god, a pagan one, or natural law derived from reason and consequence, you are a heretic to the state: unacceptable, and therefore punished and erased... the state must be the god, and must be obeyed-- the law says so-- the law written by the very men it serves...

Our story has been told hundreds of times before-- the difference here is the stunning speed in which we have allowed it to happen.

The ending is the same.

The state is the inevitable enemy of liberty, because it is comprised of men who impose their will by threat of force upon you whether you agree with them or not.
These men use an imposed reverence of "government", this artificially concocted supremacy of "their law" as opposed to natural law", to keep an uneducated and fearful population in check.

This reverence is supposed to distract you from the fact that, while they say they represent you, any dictation they make is forced upon you should you agree or not: we go to war and kill/die by the thousands, because they say so.
We wrest money from all working men to pay for it. Can you say no?

Dare you say no?

Someday, the artifice will crumble, and the shameful truth will again reveal that belligerent empires are not "states" run amok, or even evil men controlling an innocent people, but citizens, with complicity, fooled in broad daylight into believing that those they let rule them are not as corrupt, opportunistic, lazy, and wicked as they clearly are.

Our culture, all cultures, allow this to happen. It is in mankind's nature to be corrupted. But if there is any hope to be had, it is that we HAVE learned to defeat it-- truly, and completely-- through the exercise and adhesion to natural law.

As long as we deny natural law, it will happen over and over again, a different age with the exact same lesson: power allowed to man over the property and work of another will result in tyranny. Period.

READ THIS to get some insight to what I'm talking about.

I sound like a crazy anarchist, but I'm not: I believe in liberty, and I believe in everyone's right to live and enjoy their lives without being assaulted by a mafia family relabeled "government" and oppressed from cradle to grave in servitude and imposed allegiance to it.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: coAsTal]
    #7440446 - 09/22/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm generally thought to be one of the more paranoid, angry, cynical people on the boards and all I can say is smoke a blunt and settle in for the ride. :yesnod:


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #7440521 - 09/22/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Now the economy may be falling but weve got a hell of a long way to go until we collapse..
I agree the economy is falling, but do you relize america has the 2nd largest economy in the world...
Not to say we have the most advanced millitary out there

So I want to ask you this...why should you fucus on the negative factors of america, and if you live in america and you dont really give a hell about America, and youd rather have the economy fall..then fine...belive what you want...but i know for sure i want our nation to stay were it is, because i wouldnt have the life i have without it.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: jccc]
    #7440557 - 09/22/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the soviet union collapsed within a few days.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7440572 - 09/22/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh but the soviet union's economy was run by the community..(communism)...and americas is primaraly capitalism...capatialism allows privte ownership of your buisness and what it makes...
It would be impossible for it to collapse that quickly


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: jccc]
    #7440598 - 09/22/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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but do you relize america has the 2nd largest economy in the world...




The U.S. does not have the second largest economy. It has the first largest.


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Re: America is a falling empire. War is imminent [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7440622 - 09/22/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i'd say it doesn't matter what idealistic system the country runs on (and certainly not capitalism, usa is more run by a few companies and a handful of people who decide what goes down and where, like international bankers who decide if they give money to countries tha tgo to war).


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