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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: Rebirth [Re: matchbook]
    #17822943 - 02/18/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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matchbook said:
I highly highly highhhly suggest you read Timothy Leary's "The Psychedelic Experience" before you try this.  You can read it on Erowid http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_experience/psychedelic_experience.shtml

Skip introduction if you wish and read the part starting from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.  It will show you how to let go of every worldly ego-driven thought and let it flow through you, instead of pulling your consciousness into ego games and delusions.  I think this is the best way to do a Transcendence Experience.  It's important to remember that in your rebirth, you don't always re-enter as a serene and liberated consciousness.  If you get into a deep experience, and you find that there are feelings and sensations that are too overwhelming for you, and you react with panic to the fear, then you risk an instantaneous rebirth into a lower consciousness of neurosis or in the rare cases, psychosis.  I myself experienced rebirth into lower consciousness (neurosis) ever since my last psychedelic trip.. and it still affects me.  I'm planning a mushroom trip this fall to help reconcile some of the mistakes I made during that hell trip.  I never believed I could HAVE a bad trip until I had that trip, and it made me fully aware of how helpless I am to some things, and how I fear a great many things.

My point is that you definitely don't want to march with stalwart vain-confidence into thinking that a giant trip will wipe things clean, and that you'll handle it just fine.  Read up on the ego loss state, and the rebirth, especially in the link I provided, if you wish, and I can guarantee you will be better prepared for the experience.

Edit:  Also, I think the comments suggesting thumbprints or other uber-heroic trips are somewhat irresponsible, because this is a very fragile and volatile state of consciousness we are discussing... and it would be a shame for someone looking for advice to gather confidence from members to do something like a thumbprint, and then they do it and they end up in a news story the next day, either tasered or restrained.  I don't mean to be pessimistic, just trying to see it realistically.




I had a rebirth experience

wasn't sure if it really happened , but the days after I learned that I had changed (everyone around me noticed it before I did)

I feel like my old self again, that I had forgotten (due to working and studies all day).

Got new clothes,new hobbies,new friends etc. (but never forgot the old ones, I am still the old me, just feel closer to myself, and new hobbies added)

I look younger too, younger than I've looked in 10 years.

Started skating (which I enjoyed 10-15 years ago when I was younger),drawing,playing guitar (and singing which I didn't dare to do before),dancing etc.


I would say I turned back to how I used to be before I wen't to school and started being like everyone told me to be.
(music is still the same and I still have all my old friends, just got an extended music taste now)

Now I can just 'be' without thinking of how to be.

I never abandoned any old friends and I still have the same job types and study.

But I got pretty sick at first for many months, kidney stones. Am healthy now again, healthier than I have been for 10 years.

(and happier), everyday.

Like Dr. Hofmann would say.... the world was new after a rebirth, I haven't seen anything in the world, it was just total bliss enjoying nature for the first time.

I feel like I know people right when I meet them too, and like I can read the thoughts of animals sometimes/see they're as conscious as we are.

A rebirth is the total destruction of the ego, afterwards you realize that you are like everyone else, you have everything in common with everyone.

I realized I was no better/worse than anyone else (at polluting nature/being overconsumer etc.)

and much more, it truly opens your mind once you get rid of the ego, but it can also make you a bit of a hippy at times.


Also, I am not sure it is for the weak of heart, it changes every part of you (and your worldview), for better or for worse.
You have to decide for yourself if you're ready.


Edited by lessismore (02/18/13 02:11 AM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: lessismore]
    #17823022 - 02/18/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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mio said:
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matchbook said:




I had a rebirth experience

wasn't sure if it really happened , but the days after I learned that I had changed (everyone around me noticed it before I did)

I feel like my old self again, that I had forgotten (due to working and studies all day).

Got new clothes,new hobbies,new friends etc. (but never forgot the old ones, I am still the old me, just feel closer to myself, and new hobbies added)

I look younger too, younger than I've looked in 10 years.

Started skating (which I enjoyed 10-15 years ago when I was younger),drawing,playing guitar (and singing which I didn't dare to do before),dancing etc.


I would say I turned back to how I used to be before I wen't to school and started being like everyone told me to be.
(music is still the same and I still have all my old friends, just got an extended music taste now)

Now I can just 'be' without thinking of how to be.

I never abandoned any old friends and I still have the same job types and study.

But I got pretty sick at first for many months, kidney stones. Am healthy now again, healthier than I have been for 10 years.

(and happier), everyday.

Like Dr. Hofmann would say.... the world was new after a rebirth, I haven't seen anything in the world, it was just total bliss enjoying nature for the first time.

I feel like I know people right when I meet them too, and like I can read the thoughts of animals sometimes/see they're as conscious as we are.

A rebirth is the total destruction of the ego, afterwards you realize that you are like everyone else, you have everything in common with everyone.

I realized I was no better/worse than anyone else (at polluting nature/being overconsumer etc.)

and much more, it truly opens your mind once you get rid of the ego, but it can also make you a bit of a hippy at times.


Also, I am not sure it is for the weak of heart, it changes every part of you (and your worldview), for better or for worse.
You have to decide for yourself if you're ready.




I went looking for it and I found it. I have grown into a much more balanced individual because of it. I don't think you should look for it though. Ego is a very difficult thing to let go of, even for a second. That being said, Ayahuasca may help with opening an avanue for spiritual growth. Be very careful what you wish for.


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Journeys taken: Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe Cyanescens, MDMA, MDA, Methylone, San Pedro, Ketamine, Anesket, Peruvian torch, LSD, 25c, DMT, Float tank, Yerbamina.


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Invisiblelessismore
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Re: Rebirth [Re: GRAVE]
    #17823077 - 02/18/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

True

It isn't easy, had taken larger doses than when I had that experience, and took over 100 experiences to get there (and the rebirth I have no way of describing it is just what happened in life afterwards that is important to me, everything changed since that day).

It's nice to know I'm not alone (but I already knew that somehow :smile:

No matter what experience I have somebody will have had that experience before me and somebody will in the future too , I realized.

We are all one, I don't think there are many coincidences anymore.

It happened at just the right time.

The weird thing is I see the perfection in all living creatures, and in my hands,arms,feet  , and other people's hands too lol
(maybe i dosed too high)
And somehow I feel like I know a person the first time I meet them, and like I can feel animals are as conscious as we are. (many months after the trip). Hope I am not going crazy :wink:

But I feel love for everything and every part of myself for the first time since I was a kid and it seems to last.

And the closer to nature part (started growing plants etc.), but I see the perfection in them too somehow (and in trees/plants/birds outside), it is hard to describe, very weird - all living things feel different now.

It is like I can feel the plants are alive, and animals are as conscious as we are. (and I learn from both just by being near them)

A tree isn't just a tree anymore (can stand and look at it/feel it for some time)

Peace


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Re: Rebirth [Re: lessismore]
    #17826448 - 02/18/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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mio said:

We are all one, I don't think there are many coincidences anymore.

It happened at just the right time.

And somehow I feel like I know a person the first time I meet them, and like I can feel animals are as conscious as we are. (many months after the trip). Hope I am not going crazy :wink:

But I feel love for everything and every part of myself for the first time since I was a kid and it seems to last.

And the closer to nature part (started growing plants etc.), but I see the perfection in them too somehow (and in trees/plants/birds outside), it is hard to describe, very weird - all living things feel different now.

It is like I can feel the plants are alive, and animals are as conscious as we are. (and I learn from both just by being near them)

A tree isn't just a tree anymore (can stand and look at it/feel it for some time)

Peace




YUP. How it happened for me was this: I was being very naive about how many mushrooms I could handle. I had taken mushrooms maybe 5 times before, and I decided I was ready for a big dose. I took 6-7 grams of very strong dried P. cub. within 20 minutes I was completely paralyzed on the floor with absolutely no concept of time, and strugling to keep my sanity. at some point I had a seizure, and while this was happening I literally pissed my pants lol. I completely forget my human life.  I was instead just a vibration in an ocean of energy. I was the universe in it's entirety. Super beautiful and terrifying... Every emotion all at once.  I blacked out the next 8 hours but luckily I stayed on the floor for the most part. The week after I slowly regained memory of the point up to becoming the universe. This accompanied horrible migraines. As I regained my sanity, I realized all of what you said above. My perception of the universe has since become much more mystical/beautiful/psychic. I have been able to remember parts of my childhood that I fully suppressed. Many wonderful things have happened as a result of my newfound respect for life. It's crazy though because I was looking for it all along. It didn't take much to shatter my reality.

:shitsintense:


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