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InvisibleRobo
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Rebirth
    #7436514 - 09/21/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What do you think is the best substance for wiping the slate of the mind clean, re-birth, starting over,etc. ? I want to be made new again, so to speak. I want to go on a journey so powerful that I return as a changed human being, with nothing but positive thoughts and love of life.

With other substances like MDMA, the experience is so amazing that I almost don't want to come back to the real world. Depression follows because you know that there is nothing else in the world that feels like that, so it gets you down.

I'm looking to come back from the experience with a new attitude toward life itself and motivation to get out and face the world again. I want to enjoy sobriety and be comfortable with my normal state in dealing with social interactions and important tasks. That's all I want.

I'm thinking a life-altering DMT trip would do the trick. I've never had experience with this substance. What do you think? I've heard of people who "awaken" from their trip feeling reborn and a new person almost.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7436585 - 09/21/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure that there IS a way to completely erase what was there before. I believe you can become enlightened in a way, but not a fresh start. I personally have not tried DMT so I can't help you there...

As far as the depression following an extacy trip, it's because your Seratonin levels drop drastically, not because you come back to the crappy real world.


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InvisibleRobo
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Re: Rebirth [Re: Lily_Morgan]
    #7436637 - 09/21/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Lily_Morgan said:
As far as the depression following an extacy trip, it's because your Seratonin levels drop drastically, not because you come back to the crappy real world.



Well, obviously :rolleyes:

But even after you get the chemicals going again and serotonin replenished through the use of chemical supplents,5-HTP, B12, folic acid, or whatever you like to use to get them back up, the real world still just doesn't compare.

So, even though there is no actual chemical cause for depression at that point, you are still "down", at least I am.


Edited by Adagio (09/21/07 01:40 PM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7436646 - 09/21/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Adagio said:
What do you think is the best substance for wiping the slate of the mind clean, re-birth, starting over,etc. ? I want to be made new again, so to speak. I want to go on a journey so powerful that I return as a changed human being, with nothing but positive thoughts and love of life.




i'm sorry to say that, but what you say here is a little, if not very naive
there is no such drug, that erases all of your problems and leaves you with nothing but positive thoughts and love for life.
you are a human being, face up to it
problems, negative vibrations, occasional depressions etc. simply are a part of being a human being
if you don't want to accept that, then kill yourself
i don't want to be mean, but you sound like a goddamn hippie to me (don't take me wrong, i like hippies, but some are/have been pretty stupid)
if you want to achieve a better state of mind, you have to work at yourself
drugs (psychedelics in particular) can help you, but they do not push the "everything will be fine for the rest of your life" button, that simply does not exist


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Re: Rebirth [Re: epilectric]
    #7436725 - 09/21/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

epilectric said:
i'm sorry to say that, but what you say here is a little, if not very naive. You are a human being, face up to it
if you don't want to accept that, then kill yourself
i don't want to be mean, but you sound like a goddamn hippie to me 



:rolleyes: geez I don't want a substance to "solve" all of my problems for me, obviously that's not going to happen. However, I do feel that I need to reach some form of psychological epiphany of some kind to jumpstart the process,thats all. I can take it from there, chill out.

Please do not try to degrade me or criticize my character, thanks :tongue2:


Edited by Adagio (09/21/07 02:04 PM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7438910 - 09/21/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

May I suggest a thumbprint? :wink:

That'll keep those ol' doors of perception WIDE open for you.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: mentalIMAGE]
    #7439106 - 09/22/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think what youre looking for is a spiritual experience, although certain drugs like DMT are alot more intense than mushrooms or acid I don't think that neccesarily means they will give you one. It all depends on how you use them.

Some of my first trips were high dose (7g) mushroom trips and although I learned alot from them I didn't really feel that much changed. I think it was because I heard alot about psychedelic drugs changing the whole way you look at life and I went into the trip expecting to comeout changed. A few trips later I went into a trip not really expecting anything just wanting to think about my life and where it was going and I believe I had my first drug induced spiritual experience. It wasn't really all that powerful but it did get me interested in spirituality and seeing that there is more. I started reading alot because of this.

As time passed I went on more trips and every once in a while I'd have more of these experiences. Each one would get me more interested in other things or make me firmly believe things I didnt before. The more I learned from both my trips and other people the more I would put these things into practice in my everyday life. I can list alot of the things I learned but I dont think that would really help, I believe that theres one truth but many paths and everyone has to find their own.

Today I can say that I'm a completely different person and my whole outlook on life has changed because of psychedelics but it was a slow process. Certain experiences definitely helped but overall I think I am who I am today through the things I have learned and how I've applied them to my own life.

Hope this helps :smile:


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Soundform]
    #7439268 - 09/22/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I highly highly highhhly suggest you read Timothy Leary's "The Psychedelic Experience" before you try this. You can read it on Erowid http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/psychedelic_experience/psychedelic_experience.shtml

Skip introduction if you wish and read the part starting from the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It will show you how to let go of every worldly ego-driven thought and let it flow through you, instead of pulling your consciousness into ego games and delusions. I think this is the best way to do a Transcendence Experience. It's important to remember that in your rebirth, you don't always re-enter as a serene and liberated consciousness. If you get into a deep experience, and you find that there are feelings and sensations that are too overwhelming for you, and you react with panic to the fear, then you risk an instantaneous rebirth into a lower consciousness of neurosis or in the rare cases, psychosis. I myself experienced rebirth into lower consciousness (neurosis) ever since my last psychedelic trip.. and it still affects me. I'm planning a mushroom trip this fall to help reconcile some of the mistakes I made during that hell trip. I never believed I could HAVE a bad trip until I had that trip, and it made me fully aware of how helpless I am to some things, and how I fear a great many things.

My point is that you definitely don't want to march with stalwart vain-confidence into thinking that a giant trip will wipe things clean, and that you'll handle it just fine. Read up on the ego loss state, and the rebirth, especially in the link I provided, if you wish, and I can guarantee you will be better prepared for the experience.

Edit: Also, I think the comments suggesting thumbprints or other uber-heroic trips are somewhat irresponsible, because this is a very fragile and volatile state of consciousness we are discussing... and it would be a shame for someone looking for advice to gather confidence from members to do something like a thumbprint, and then they do it and they end up in a news story the next day, either tasered or restrained. I don't mean to be pessimistic, just trying to see it realistically.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7439292 - 09/22/07 04:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

such and experience cannot be bought or arranged.
you can work your whole life for it.
then again
such a transformation as you might wish from a fairy god mother
does actually occur if you do work your whole life for it.
so
if it is important to be so transformed.
begin now
continue to begin
and be whom you need to be - reworking carefully and patiently
every 3 seconds you are reborn, you get millions of new opportunities


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Re: Rebirth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7439621 - 09/22/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think dmt trip is what ur looking for, shrooms or lsd :smile:

take it solo.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7440060 - 09/22/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Adagio said:
What do you think is the best substance for wiping the slate of the mind clean, re-birth, starting over,etc. ? I want to be made new again, so to speak. I want to go on a journey so powerful that I return as a changed human being, with nothing but positive thoughts and love of life.

With other substances like MDMA, the experience is so amazing that I almost don't want to come back to the real world. Depression follows because you know that there is nothing else in the world that feels like that, so it gets you down.

I'm looking to come back from the experience with a new attitude toward life itself and motivation to get out and face the world again. I want to enjoy sobriety and be comfortable with my normal state in dealing with social interactions and important tasks. That's all I want.

I'm thinking a life-altering DMT trip would do the trick. I've never had experience with this substance. What do you think? I've heard of people who "awaken" from their trip feeling reborn and a new person almost.




What you have described is a really heavy LSD trip.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7440847 - 09/22/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

HeiligBoomerz said:
shrooms or lsd :smile:



Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
What you have described is a really heavy LSD trip.




Well, I've done both at fairly high doses, and mescaline as well(not at high doses,yet). I'm looking for something to slap me in the face and bring me back to reality essentially spiritually reborn. I have not had experience with DMT, however a friend of a friend completely changed after the first time he had a major breakthrough experience with DMT. He claimed that the journey was so amazing and intense it just convinced him the "the way he had been living before was so useless" and that life was too beautiful to just let it pass him by.  He was lethargic, negative, unhappy, did poor in school, and got real carried away with drugs( the "bad" kind) and alcohol.

He now has a very positive outlook on life and he said he got the idea from this definition at urban dictionary(2nd down):

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dmt

He just felt so great to be alive, and perhaps that's what I need. The way he described it, the substance just punched him the face and totally knocked him on his ass (spiritually and metaphorically speaking), making him ultimately decide to "get with it" you could say. When he returned, he was reborn(or so he claimed). I do know, however, that a drug may not be the answer to my problem. (Eh, I've heard that from people on this forum, friends, psychologist, and so on.) Also, everyone is different in the way they react to different substances. But I also believe that If I seek, I may find what I'm looking for. It sounds just crazy enough to work.  :shrug:

For those of you who have done DMT, tell me your experience with the substance, what happened during the experience, and how you felt afterward. The same? Different? enlightened? Better than before? worse?


Edited by Adagio (09/22/07 03:38 PM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7441158 - 09/22/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Adagio said:
I'm looking for something to slap me in the face and bring me back to reality essentially spiritually reborn.





You keep on asking the impossible.
There is no magic button. Anyone who has come back from an altered conciousness state a changed person has made the change themselves. No drug can do what you ask, only you can.
I can see, though, that you'd just laugh it off if I said something like "You don't need a drug to do that! Just DO IT!"

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Re: Rebirth [Re: Mycomyth]
    #7441357 - 09/22/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

From personal experience. Ayahuasca, Or ayahuasca two days in a row.

Most of the people here are right about the fact that there is no magic button.

All I know is this is somewhat possible with ayahuasca. It is possible with mushrooms and lsd aswell. I can confirm this and so can afew others that I know of.
Its just that high doses of ayahuasca stand out in my mind.
Though, for this reason you need to be very careful with ayahuasca.

You can be reborn without dieing. You have to pay the toll in my experience.
When your self dies something beautiful takes over, and when you are reborn you would be very surprized with what you find on the other side.
It is everything you could ask for and so much more.

Its like people who really do almost physically die, and are alone at the time.
They have time to think about their lives and their loves before they let go. Sadly, when they let go they enter a state of selfless acceptance of their situation, and the body finally shuts down. That its self is alot like a heavy psychedelic experience, except your body will not shut down because of this process.
Thats when certain teachers give you some time in their home, and then help you rebuild yourself. Self concious neurology. The creator of visuals and unseen mind machines.
The comedown starts. Eventually you will have done a good job and you will know who you are. When you fully come back you will realize what you have just been through, and are just happy for your "second chance".
You already put yourself back together as you desired or to the best of your ability(metaprogramming). Hopefully.
Life never seems the same ever again. For most people anyways.

Almost dieing can cause some of the effects the thread starter was looking for.
I know this for a fact.
I know that its entirely possible.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Rebirth [Re: yageman]
    #7441992 - 09/22/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yageman
I think that what you just wrote
while mystical and occasionally (but only rarely) true
was highly irresponsible.
one could easily read it as a reccommendation to dose dangerously hi, almost die, and expect miracles.
realistically you have very high chances of not experiencing miracles or paradigm shifts, and you have high chances of disaster (irreversible death) as well from high doses of aya.
be cool.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7442098 - 09/22/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No dumbass. Thats not what I said.
It said exactly what it said.
I said exactly what I meant to say.

I didnt mean physical death you fucking salvia-head.

You just said some really dumb shit about ayahuasca too.
Thats funny.

What you share is usually a joke and yet you are always here.
6 one-liners in a row. Good form!
Thats strange.

Im sick of your poetic approach.
You are just an asshole who hopes that even one person will catch on to how your awsome mind works.

I on the other hand am here for my own entertainment and am very real, articulate, and above all honest..
Honestly I just think its time to tell you that your words are wise only sometimes and its time to act like a real person.

You should not "read bad" because I know you arent just some dumbass.

I told him to be careful with ayahuasca.
I have also told you what an otherworldly flake you can be.

I was just saying that some of what he wishes for is possible.

Understand the post.
I didnt tell this guy drink datura before taking ayahuasca as some shamans might suggest.

I didnt say anything irresponsible.

I think you are a tired character who should use the space this site has provided to write your actual thoughts.

Im not a shaman. Unlike some shamans, I didnt say anything harmful.

Why dont you just go bark up the right tree with all you knowledge.

You are one very annoying guy.

Did you really feel that way?
Was my post not "sound".
Did I not premis myself in the way you see fit?

Sorry if the truth hurts you fuckin wordsmith.

Its possible. I didnt tell him to take massive doses of ayahuasca.
I was explaining how this is all possible.

Good lord man!???......lol

Lastly, get a fucking clue.

I was not saying anyone should put their life in danger.

The fact that you didnt understand blows my mind.

Why the hell do you use salvia every day you fucking mastermind?
DOnt fuck with any post I made in you sort of, "serious mannor".

I dont care if you smoke salvia in the bathtub every day.
All I ask is that you dont respond to my posts in such a flighty bullshit mannor.

And fuck off If you are going to treat them like bullshit.

That post was "safe", and I dont understand how you couldnt see that.

So spare me the bullshitting.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (09/22/07 10:52 PM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: yageman]
    #7442161 - 09/22/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He didnt understand the illustration.

That sucks.

He just had to say something.

Physical death?

Who does he work for?.?.?.?.......... The idiots id assume.

It was a really nice "few-liner".
Sorry I said what I meant old-red!

Keep smoking that salvia redgreenvines!

Maybe you will find something else to address!

Like my next post, whenever that may be!

YAY!


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7442389 - 09/23/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
...and you have high chances of disaster (irreversible death) as well from high doses of aya.
be cool.



What other kind of death is there?


Edited by Adagio (09/23/07 12:44 AM)


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7442407 - 09/23/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Anyways, I'm still going to have faith in ayahuasca as possibly bringing about a spiritual rebirth of sorts. Once again, I'm not looking for a "magic erase" or "reset" button, just a shifted outlook. (so cool it, please and thanks)

I assure you I'm not going to go off and dose myself extremely high with a substance I have never had experience with just because someone posted it on a forum. Anyways, I don't think yageman was saying to go do that in the first place.


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Re: Rebirth [Re: Robo]
    #7442852 - 09/23/07 04:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

adagio - good, and insightful. shifting begins.

yage - nice healthy denials,
I guess I hit a nerve.
thanks for the whole tirade
which you must mean from your heart
since you mean what you say,
and are clearly a transformed person,
maybe even the paradigm shifted type
that adagio has been seeking to be.


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