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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7436160 - 09/21/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe it's kind of a stab at people who pray to God all the time to help their problems, maybe what he means is "It's OK to call on God for help, but don't make problems for yourself in the meantime."
What do you think?
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
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Maybe it means to mold things before they become too set? Stray away from habit and addiction? That's what it means to me, not sure what it could have meant to HST, maybe we could resurrect his spirit and ask him (no joke).
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7436272 - 09/21/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he meant god will only help you if you need the help. So you must row away from the shore and put yourself in danger. Sounds pretty sarcastic.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7436276 - 09/21/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I reduce it mathematically.
Call on God and do nothing = danger!
Row away from the rocks = safety.
Row away from the rock + call on God = safety.
R = S
R + C = S
Therefore C = zero or null or calling God has no value. Thus prayer is disproved. Next.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7436332 - 09/21/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: I reduce it mathematically.
Call on God and do nothing = danger!
Row away from the rocks = safety.
Row away from the rock + call on God = safety.
R = S
R + C = S
Therefore C = zero or null or calling God has no value. Thus prayer is disproved. Next.
 In fact it means, if you don't head away from the rocks, even g*d can't help you
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7436464 - 09/21/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the closest equivalent to this quote is one from Benjamin Franklin:
"God helps those who help themselves."
What Thompson was saying, IMO, is that one should not passively sit by as one's boat crashes into the rocks, all the while begging God to save you.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7436997 - 09/21/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: I reduce it mathematically.
Call on God and do nothing = danger!
Row away from the rocks = safety.
Row away from the rock + call on God = safety.
R = S
R + C = S
Therefore C = zero or null or calling God has no value. Thus prayer is disproved. Next.
The only flaw here is that R does not always equal S. And simply because you label the two S's the same does not mean that they are. You could lose a leg from a shark bite or something in S-1, but come out scotch free in S-2, or vice versa.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: jonathanseagull]
#7437016 - 09/21/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd say that losing a leg does not = safety.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Veritas]
#7437069 - 09/21/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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But you live!
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Veritas]
#7437076 - 09/21/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's why it stays undefined in this quote if and how god will help, unless you loose this probability by steering towards the cliffs
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Lily_Morgan]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: jonathanseagull]
#7437096 - 09/21/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If God did not want the shark to bite your leg off, why would it happen in the first place? Is the idea that he/she/it only protects those who devoutly pray?
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437108 - 09/21/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Script said: I interpreted it as
Call on god, but remember he’s vengeful so steer away from the rocks as not to make it convenient for him to punish you for other sins.
Kind of like if your going to call on someone for help, remember they may be pissed off at you for something else you forgot about. Steering away from the rocks, is almost as if going to a safe place to ask for help so he cant fuck you up quite so bad.
That’s kind of what it means to me but IDK.
So an all-powerful, omniscient being will be foiled by our puny attempts to row to safety? Why not send down a lightning bolt & smite us whilst we choose pears at the Farmer's Market? 
As Hunter S. Thompson was an outspoken atheist, I believe that he meant that one should not count on a non-existent God for their safety, but rather take matters into their own hands.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Veritas]
#7437154 - 09/21/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
As Hunter S. Thompson was an outspoken atheist, I believe that he meant that one should not count on a non-existent God for their safety, but rather take matters into their own hands. 
It was kind of a disguised plea. I read it as
"Believe in a God if you must (sigh.......) but have the good sense to make rational decisions and keep your wits about you."
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Lion]
#7437156 - 09/21/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, that sounds like HST!
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7437230 - 09/21/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Row away from the rocks to let God help you.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7437260 - 09/21/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why?  Isn't god supposed, according to the religious doctrine, to help me when I'm near the rocks?
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7437271 - 09/21/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Only if you've kissed his ass and followed all the rules.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Icelander]
#7437326 - 09/21/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup, sounds like god...
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7437336 - 09/21/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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...or Santa.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437454 - 09/21/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Considering the source, the meaning seems quite obvious.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437467 - 09/21/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure I do.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437518 - 09/21/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's obvious. If it was a quote from Jerry Falwell, maybe I'd think it had something to do with God's fierce judgment, but it was Hunter S. Thompson, and therefore the meaning is self-evident.
But carry on thinking that it is very mysterious, if it pleases you.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437612 - 09/21/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, in your opinion, it is possible that someone who did not believe God existed would be expressing a religious sentiment?
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437623 - 09/21/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7437634 - 09/21/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Elementary, my dear Dr. Teasy Thighs.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: Veritas]
#7437641 - 09/21/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sherlock is never wrong
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437677 - 09/21/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, I'm just saying that it is not a complicated quote, considering the source. HST was an irreverent, amoral atheist, who believed in anarchy & personal responsibility. 
This is not a quote from one of his books, nor is it explained by him, so you could certainly claim that there is no way for us to know for certain what he meant by it. You could also say the same for every single quote attributed to someone who is deceased & did not spell out the exact meaning of everything they ever said. 
My claim is not that I have a view of the inside of HST's head (ewww...), but rather that this quote is simply not subject to a great deal of interpretation.
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7437756 - 09/21/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hunter S Thompson's books were written in an evocative manner. He always made use of "I" and "WE", with the purpose in making the reader able to understand that what was happening was being interpreted through his own eyes... go figure
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7438850 - 09/21/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if it was written in one of his books or not. It doesn't make the point of the discussion that you yourself opened. Let me refresh your memory and remind you what were you arguing about.  You said:
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What was written along with this quote in one of his books could make it mean something completely different. Perhaps he was taking on a perspective of someone else, or poking fun at something specific ect…
This came as a reason to demonstrate that, if it was in one of his books, it could be somebody else's view, not his own. And my answer was that, even in this case, it would still be his own opinion. For the reason I stated earlier: all his books are written in an evocative manner (they are written in the first person, which is a clear sign of assuming the role of the interpreter the of story that's being presented). In this way, ""Call on God, but row away from the rocks." automatically becomes Hunter S. Thompson's perception upon the story. 
Am I getting through to you?
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." *DELETED* [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: PJDIDDLE]
#7438894 - 09/21/07 11:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Call on God, but drink Grey Goose vodka on the rocks (with a twist of lime)!
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7439113 - 09/22/07 01:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Row away from the rocks to let God help you.
Why? Isn't god supposed, according to the religious doctrine, to help me when I'm near the rocks?
Because the sea is dangerous enough, but if you intend to smash on the rocks, then g*d won't stop you  If the rocks are the way to the shore, then one should find a way around and not through the rocks, unless you are Evil Knievel and sit in a barrel
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Re: "Call on God, but row away from the rocks." [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7439159 - 09/22/07 02:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with Veritas' interpretation, but my spin is this: "Call on God, but since God is in you, remember that you're really calling on yourself to row away from the rocks and thus you shouldn't get mad at yourself when you don't answer your own cry."
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