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    #7434805 - 09/20/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

...has made it all the way down one of the original stems on my sally. I tried to cut it off, to no avail. I've cut the other two branches that connect at a lower node, just before the rot reached them. It is about an inch above soil now, maybe several days from reaching the connecting point to all the rest of the plant. Am I going to have to make cuttings of all the branches on my plant to save it? Or should I just wait and see what happens? It would be a shame to have to start from scratch and develop brand new root structures, after this plant has spent so many months growing the solid roots that it has. This really sucks. What causes stem rot? Is it overwatering? Some kind of virus? Ugh.


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Re: stem rot [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7434816 - 09/20/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Make a cutting and don't water it until you see the first signs of dehydration in the leaves.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7435320 - 09/21/07 04:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

make a cutting and stick it in a glass of water immediately.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7435326 - 09/21/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ive heard a few people talk about this unstoppable stem rot, never experienced it myself though...

maybe your plant needs a lower ambient humidity?
is it kept in a humidity chamber of any sort?


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Re: stem rot [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7435604 - 09/21/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that happened to a cutting of mine a year ago. it was big and bushy and it started to rot. i tried everything i could, resulting in about 6 cuttings and they all just slowly rotted and died....very fucked up and i have no idea why as i gave them different environments that have previously worked for my salvia...this specie has amazed me a few times....


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Re: stem rot [Re: kadakuda]
    #7435636 - 09/21/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My stems are starting to rot its noo good :frown:


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Re: stem rot [Re: implee]
    #7436046 - 09/21/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that humidity is to blame, because it's just out in the open inside. I do live in the PNW, so there's a lot of humidity here, especially at this time of year. Other problems with the plant that I posted about a week or two ago have caused me to determine (with the help of you great people) that I was overwatering. I've stopped overwatering, but the stem rot had already begun. I think that must be the most likely explanation because that is the only thing I've done wrong as far as I'm aware.

Do you think my cuttings have a good chance of making it? I'll cry if they don't. :frown:


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Re: stem rot [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7436104 - 09/21/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

for the last freaking time, stem rot is caused by root rot which is caused by over watering/poor soil

make sure your humidity is right also.


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Re: stem rot [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7436171 - 09/21/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You are incorrect.
It is caused by stem rot.
It is an infection.
And it starts in the stem.
It is not the same as nor caused by root rot.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Nalim]
    #7436476 - 09/21/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

is there a cure? i tried all sorts of things from soil, to humidity to cuttings in various different methods to lighting you name it. it took about 2 months for every last bit to finally die. only this one salvia did this for me and it was beside other salvia that are still ok.


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Re: stem rot [Re: kadakuda]
    #7436654 - 09/21/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it seems like it isn't too contagious.
I have had it on a few plants. Maybe 5 or 6.
a few where possible to save just through cutting off the infected part. Others just kept getting worse and died.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Nalim]
    #7436866 - 09/21/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

all i know is, in my experience, my sally plants stems will turn black when over water...and it will continue to turn black until a few weeks or more after i start watering it right.

which sounds exactly like what he explained. aka stem rot may indeed be some kind of fungus that attacks plant stems, but i feel the major cause of this blackening of the stems(in sally plants) is related to water. after these stems turn black a fungus will naturally feed on the dead organic matter.

if you don't believe me then flood one of your sally plants every 3 days and see what happens(assuming your not growing in coir or desert sand).


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Re: stem rot [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7436948 - 09/21/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm growing in coir...
And still got it.
And I've checked the roots: nothing wrong.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Nalim]
    #7436954 - 09/21/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well maybe you did get stem rot, but i know i didn't.


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Re: stem rot [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7437134 - 09/21/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That I do not dispute.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Nalim]
    #7437991 - 09/21/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I checked the roots and they looked just fine to me. I admit I overwatered, but it hadn't noticeably damaged the roots, at least not yet anyways.


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Re: stem rot [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7439691 - 09/22/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if it was in any way related to root rot, surely the stems would be rotting from the bottom up...
i remember from your other thread regarding this plant, that they are rotting from the top down...


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if you don't believe me then flood one of your sally plants every 3 days and see what happens




great recommendation... most people already know that overwatering causes root rot, without need to test it :smirk:


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Re: stem rot [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7440685 - 09/22/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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uarewotueat said:
if it was in any way related to root rot, surely the stems would be rotting from the bottom up...
i remember from your other thread regarding this plant, that they are rotting from the top down...


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if you don't believe me then flood one of your sally plants every 3 days and see what happens




great recommendation... most people already know that overwatering causes root rot, without need to test it :smirk:




actually 90% of the people on here don't know that :smirk:

because 99% of the posts on here are regarding sally "problems" and almost all over them are being over watered.

and my main point which i had hoped i got across was that my stems were turning black "yes from top down" on 3 different plants, in 3 different setups (under hps at room humidity, under florals in a humidity tent, and hps in humidity tent)  they all did the same thing black stems from top down.

this is all im sure of, in my case the blackening of my stems stopped with proper water and humidity.

(ill choice my words wisely here for all the people who hate on me because i havn't sponsered a 100million dollar research project that proves what im saying.....)

so based on this i do think over watering can cause...or lead to...or be a symptom of...or perclude to....or indicate...or be a prophacy of the future, that a stem will turn black.  "PURHAPS" overwatering "can" lead to root rot, but "PURHAPS" a plants stems will turn black without showing root rot.  "PURHAPS" its lack of oxygen from overwatering.

anyways hate on my idea's some more, all i know is overwatering stopped "my" stems from turning black, and ive helped a few people with their plants on here.  I also feel their is misinformation being spread around on purpose to confuse people on how to grow salvia as it is a big bisness based on sales.

1.water
2.humidity
3. light
4.air
5.pests

you do all them right and you 95% sure have a very good shot at keeping it healthy.


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Re: stem rot [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7440949 - 09/22/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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anyways hate on my idea's some more



OK

I'm not saying that your wrong when it comes to your plants.
Stems can die from root rot.
Stems can die from oxygen deprivation.

But:
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stem rot is caused by root rot



Is 100% bullshit.

It is 2 separate conditions and I've seen them both.
They have separate causes and separate cures.

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I also feel their is misinformation being spread around on purpose to confuse people on how to grow salvia as it is a big bisness based on sales.



:lol:
It sure as hell isn't big business for anyone on this page.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Nalim]
    #7441208 - 09/22/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

stem rot is caused by root rot




the reason i called it stem rot in the beginning is because everyone associates black stems with stem rot.

but the main idea i meant to portray was black stems could be caused by over watering.

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:lol:
It sure as hell isn't big business for anyone on this page.




I was saying in general i see some bad advice, and it seems to keep floating, not in this thread particular.


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Re: stem rot [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7441717 - 09/22/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
actually 90% of the people on here don't know that :smirk:





incorrect, there are a hell of alot more successful growers that have no need to post about problems around here,
as they dont have any problems to seek advice about...
90% of posts to do with salvia problems have something to do with over watering,
but thats not 90% of the total number of people growing the species...


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all i know is overwatering stopped "my" stems from turning black




well thats contradictory to say the least...
u should learn to check wot u write before u claim people are spreading misinformation in some big business based conspiracy theory :yesnod:


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makaveli8x8 said:
I was saying in general i see some bad advice, and it seems to keep floating, not in this thread particular.




dont worry, there are plenty of regulars in this particular forum that know their shit and correct people when they are talking crap.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7441726 - 09/22/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Would it be better to make cuttings of all remaining branches, or just leave the plant and hope it will recuperate on it's own? Will cuttings that are already rather stressed be less likely to survive? It's too early to say for sure yet, but the rot may have stopped right above the very last remaining node... would that make a compelling case for not making cuttings of the whole thing and just riding it out?


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Re: stem rot [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7441776 - 09/22/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

personally speaking... if i had a sick plant i would take as many cuttings as possible and start again with those.
and leave the original plant to hopefully regenerate.

i had a couple of plants i neglected, very wilted due to my lazy watering (of course i mean my busy schedule) :tongue:
i chopped them up a few days ago, within a couple of hours of the cuttings being placed in a cup of water they perked up and have started to throw roots within a week...
its not ideal but the cuttings should make it.


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Re: stem rot [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7441870 - 09/22/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks. I think I will take your advice. I figure at least a couple cuttings will survive, and maybe it will take the burden off the sick plant to have to support too much growth... I assume I should leave at least a branch or two on the original plant... should i put plastic around the cuttings (a little makeshift greenhouse) or should they be ok in open air?


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Re: stem rot [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7442757 - 09/23/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Definitely go for the makeshift greenhouse but don't mist too much that could invite the rot again.
Make sure the plastic doesn't touch the cuttings.


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