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ProoN
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Suggestions for Amanita Dose
#7434496 - 09/20/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've acquired quite a few (~4 lbs dried) Amanita Muscaria var Formosa mushrooms over the past month or so, dried them out, and ground them down to little chunks with a coffee grinder.
My problem is the dose.
I'm trying to get a "feel" for these, like with anything else, so I started off with a relatively low dose (1.5 grams). Now, when I take these, I mix them up with something, like oatmeal usually, to help mask the taste. They smell really, really bad.. like the most potent urine you've ever smelled, X10. So, masking them isn't all that simple. I've gotten up to 5 grams now, with hardly any effects. I up the dose each time I try them, which is about once every 2 or 3 weeks, since tolerance builds up. The only noticeable feelings I get from these is a really intense feeling of euphoria and drowsiness/laziness. Just wondering.. how much should I be taking to have a truly "psychedelic experience" though, not so much as to entirely lose touch with reality as I know it. I've read of some intense reports on here of people losing it altogether, and waking up in a hospital bed, etc. I don't want that at all.
Also, can anyone elaborate on any distinguishable differences Amanita Muscaria might have from Amanita Muscaria var Formosa, as far as the psychedelic experience goes? To the best of my knowledge, the chemicals contained in both are the same, but I'm just curious. I'm considering buying some of those from an online vendor, along with some HBWR seeds.
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: ProoN]
#7434524 - 09/20/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're eating them fresh, you should fry them well first, the heat will convert ibotonic acids into muscimol. Or you can eat them dried normally. I don't know about the amount you should take, but I know that the easiest way to obtain an amazing trip (death-rebirth they say) is to recycle (drink) you urine. I'm not positive as to why this works, but I think it's because it breaks down ALL the ibotonic acids into muscimol, so it's a very potent and intense trip.
Here's a link on properly preparing amanitas: http://jamesarthur.yage.net/recipe.html
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: Acaterpillar]
#7434980 - 09/21/07 12:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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one good fresh picked mushroom properly prepared Amanita Muscaria var Formosa is amazing
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: thedudenj]
#7440214 - 09/22/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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last weekend, i ate four caps of the grade A++ amanita's from iamshaman.com. took them down with water, then pee'd in a cup and drank my urine (twice)............. i have never ever in my entire life tripped that fuckin hard!!! it was like salvia, but more intense, and lasted for 10 hours. i blacked out for about six of it. the last thing i remember before blacking out was this insane gravitational pull that carried me through the cosmos, and i was rotating and as i rotated the mass of my body kept expanding till i reached the center or core of the universe and burst out into a giant flame. i didn't experience formlessness because fire is form, but its amorphous and the intensity of the heat was mindblowing. i'd tripped several times before, and i have never been COMPLETELY cut off from my physical body and the physical world. it can be quite scary.
anyway, after that i remember waking up in ambulance, and i remember waking up in the hospital and my body was all wrinkled up like a rasin........ weird. basically...... i think i paniced, fell into a ditch and broke my ancle. someone heard me (thank god) and called the cops. the cop found me in a ditch, a quarter mile away from my house and i had hyperthermia (i was in vermont). it was freazing last weekend.. lol..
my point is: if you fail to respect this entheogen... you could die, like i almost did..... but at the same time, with them, you can travel the universe and enter the realm of the gods and the titans....
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: john111]
#7442216 - 09/22/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, see, I'd absolutely ~love~ to have such a trip like that, but I'd want to be locked in a sound-proof room by myself in complete darkness.
The only reason I wouldn't want to take such a high dose in any other predicament is.. well, for the same reason you woke up in an ambulance. Having no grasp whatsoever on reality, while being able to get hurt/hurt others.. that doesn't sound too appealing. But the trip sounded amazing, prior to you going to the hospital, etc. Thanks for sharing. hah
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: ProoN]
#7444695 - 09/23/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wasn't psychologically and spiritually prepared for it. you can do it, just order an ounce of amanita's and drink your urine. i'd say it was probably level four trip
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: john111]
#7444731 - 09/23/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really, you drink your URINE to trip on these properly? Honestly? No fake?
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: opensaysme]
#7445232 - 09/23/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, it's my understanding that after you take these mushrooms, your system converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol, which is what you want. Therefor, after you take them, let it run through your system and then drink your urine, you're, in essence, taking what you just took, plus some (as Rabidbaboon said). It isn't necessary, but (clearly) the effects are a lot more profound.
Though, you could always just take a high dose of mushrooms in the first place. I think that'll be my approach for now. If that doesn't work, then I suppose I'll resort to the latter (Not too thrilled about it, though).
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: ProoN]
#7445268 - 09/23/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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According to Koryak tradition, sometimes people would ingest the urine of reindeer that had eaten fly agaric in order to obtain the reindeers' "flying" qualities; the toxicity of the mushroom would produce symptoms comparable to today's "high" following the ingestion of a drug. The potency of the mushroom does not decrease significantly until around the seventh consumer, because the muscimol from fly agaric is essentially unaltered after being secreted from the kidneys. Not only does this trait conserve the mushrooms, but it also eliminates unpleasant side-effects caused by muscarine, as this does not pass through urine and only the initial ingestor must experience the unpleasant effects.
this is from wikipedia and i saw this on the discovery channel ALOT of diff drugs that are actually are more potent when taken from the urine of some1 who took it
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: Coaster]
#7445380 - 09/23/07 07:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has anyone here drank their own piss? Im really curious about this because i really dont think i would do it for an amanita trip. How do you know how much to drink? Is it rediculously tough to get down? And finally, is the amanita trip that UNIQUE and SPECIAL that its worth drinking your own piss for?
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thedudenj
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: opensaysme]
#7446100 - 09/23/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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you dont have to drink your piss if you have mastery of your body you can hold it in
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: thedudenj]
#7446874 - 09/24/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes coaster is correct. do a search under "amanita muscaria" and you'll find several old threads that talk about it. the psychoactive chemicals pass through the urinary track unaltered, and the unpleasant side effects produced through digestion are eliminated. just pee in a glass, wait for it to cool, and just pretend your drinking water.... mind over matter. the after taste is a little bitter but its not that THAT bad. just plug your nose and down it. also, make sure you have a sitter. i was with my dog, and he was tripping too lol... the sitter can restrain you if you panic.
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: john111]
#7446878 - 09/24/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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no dosage advice
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thedudenj
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: indica]
#7447151 - 09/24/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sigh you really dont need to drink you piss i have posted so many recipies so use the search function.
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: ProoN]
#18765002 - 08/27/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That would be intense... complete darkness? Maybe a padded room.
In the future, maybe one could start a business providing such a place for trippers -- and providing a sitter for a fee. Perhaps, a Certified and Bonded Sitter. Provide a menu of sound... soothing sounds, sounds for freaking out, random cacophonous sounds... all 6 surfaces could be a movie like The Veldt by ray bradbury.
The place could have sensory deprivation tanks, too.
Once in you agree to stay "in" for a determined amount of time based on dosage, drug type, and weight.
You could trip knowing you are safe... the last time I did amanita muscaria I got a black eye.
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: baldtim]
#18765074 - 08/27/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is such a good idea... Maybe one day that can happen
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Re: Suggestions for Amanita Dose [Re: Cosmic VOC]
#18774293 - 08/29/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah... i am pretty cool.
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