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Phred
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7431717 - 09/20/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In 2006, according to the US Census Bureau, the median US household income was determined to be $48,201.
Note that median is not the same as average. Median is the number at which half the households are higher and half the households are lower. As it happens, in 2006 average household income and median household income were practically identical, with the average being $48, 451, but it's not always that close.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431729 - 09/20/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: "The American Dream"
Listen, maybe 44K a year isn't enough to have everything you want, which every fucking American seems to think they are entitled to. But you won't find me crying for someone who can't afford a Cadillac or a new 64" Plasma T.V.
But to say that you CANT raise a kid or send them to college on 44K a year is completely idiotic. My Mom raised me, alone, on whatever the fuck a waitress made in the early 90's. You may not be able to afford the lifestyle you WANT, but who really can?
You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.
Get some self control, live w/in your means, and that is plenty of money.
I never said you couldn't survive on it.
I said, it doesn't buy you the American Dream at Todays prices. Hillary is the one telling you that you should have the American dream, not me.
According to Hillary, the American dream is owning your own home, having health care insurance, being able to raise a family , and send them to college and perhaps, owning your own business.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431893 - 09/20/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.
If you are voting for Hillary, she convinced you that those "raking in" $45,000. a year , are charity cases that need all of her free help plans.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7431946 - 09/20/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: In 2006, according to the US Census Bureau, the median US household income was determined to be $48,201.
Note that median is not the same as average. Median is the number at which half the households are higher and half the households are lower. As it happens, in 2006 average household income and median household income were practically identical, with the average being $48, 451, but it's not always that close.
Phred
and most households have at least two incomes..which means that the median individual annual income is 24225.505...after king george takes his cut to pay for iraq..you are left with 15-16k..which doesnt even pay the rent in most cities...
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Annapurna1]
#7432202 - 09/20/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't work that way, Anna.
I haven't found a source yet for median individual income for the entire working population of the US, but there are several which give those numbers by category (level of education, for example).
For example, in 2004, men who had completed high school (but had taken no college courses) had a median income of $35,725. Men who had less than 9th grade had a median income of $21,659. Women who had a Master's degree had a median of $51,316, etc.
I'd be interested in seeing what the aggregate median income of individual US workers (all categories) is, but not interested enough to spend hours combing the net for it.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
If you think 44,000 a year is enough to own your own home, raise a family and send them to college with, living the American dream comfortably with, then WHY does anyone need Hillary's nanny state plan?
What the hell are you talking about? Thats per capita income. The avg household income in the states is probably about 70k. That's enough to own a modest home and make car payments unless you live in a place like NYC, LA, DC, SF, etc.
And thats PER CAPITA! ITS AN AVERAGE. That's an average of everyone that's employed. If you happen to be 18 years old and making 44K a year... at your age.. you're pretty damn well off. Even if you're 40 years old and making 44K.... if you're living in the midwest by yourself without being married.. 44K ain't that bad. Hell.. if you make the average household income of about 70K living in somewhere in the midweet like Kansas then you're practically rich.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432314 - 09/20/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census Bureau was determined to be $48,201.[3] The median income per household member (including all working and non-working members above the age of 14) in the year 2006 was $26,036
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
That is what the hell I am talking about. $48,000, is the household figure. Not per capita figure.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432317 - 09/20/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN, did you miss my posts? Average annual US household income is US $48.5 k
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Madtowntripper said: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.
I never said it was. I added to that being the average income, that another decent chunk of America is living below the poverty line.
44,000 a year does not get you the " American dream" defined by Hillary. This is why you have to vote for her if you are the average American these days, according to her. She says in her free college plan that the middle class needs HELP, and her plans are designed to help the middle class she says.
Speaking on my own, the average home in America is $200,000. To buy it, now with the banks clamping up, you will need Impeccable credit, and if you are money smart, a 20% down payment, otherwise, you will being paying an extra $1,500, a year in mortgage insurance.
A 20% down payment is $40,000. How long will it take you to save that, if you are already married, renting, with a baby or two, and making $44,000 a year?
True, it's tough to save 40k to buy a home on your FIRST try... but most people buy more than one home in their lifetime. If you pinch a few pennies like you're SUPPOSED to when you're younger after you buy your first home.. and you stay in your home for a descent amount of time.. 6-7 years.. you'll probably make enough money on your home to cover the down payment on your next place.
If not.. then maybe you don't need a car with a sunroof, a giant LCD tv, leather couches, etc.
If you think the fact that the median household income is 70k in America and that the avg price of a home is 200K is BAD... shit... look at europe. Finaland is one of the only countries that makes more per capita than us (and JUST barely)... and guess what.. their avg price of a home is way more than ours.
I'm not even talking anything about Hillary at this point. Just stop complaining. The average American makes more than enough to get by. If you're single making 44K.. not matter what age you age, you can find a descent 1 bedroom apartment, have a modest car, pay your bills, and make enough money for some fun . If you're at the age where you have 3 kids and need a huge house.. you're probably old enough that between you and your wife, you're making more than enough money.
And if you're not... tell your kids to suck it up and go to community college for a couple of years and try to get some damn A's or try living at HOME with your parents when you go to a 4 year university. Either way will save you about 50% of the normal costs of living on campus at a 4 year university.
Shit.. UCLA is only 1700 dollars a semester for a full time student. If you think that's breakig the bank, you're crazy.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7432346 - 09/20/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: BrAiN, did you miss my posts? Average annual US household income is US $48.5 k
Phred
I find that hard to believe. If the avg income per PERSON is 44K.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432358 - 09/20/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not average income per person, that's GDP per capita. Not the same thing at all.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432365 - 09/20/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually accoridng to wiki you're right....
But
that's including households that are just single ppl by themselves..
The Average household income with TWO people:
$67,348
According to the census.
Don't tell me that's NOT enough to buy a modest home. If you live in the suburbs of a BIG city the cost of a home is going to be way more.. but so is your income.
If you need to make more... you get off your ass, turn off the tv, and try to learn more.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7432384 - 09/20/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: Men who had less than 9th grade had a median income of $21,659.
I don't feel sorry for these people at all. These people should have tried a little harder when they were younger.
If these lazy assholes happen to have kids.. I'm all for food stamps and giving a little taxpayer welfare to help out the kids.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432396 - 09/20/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't respond to the first part because your $70,000 assumption is wrong as was shown you.
Thanks for the stats on the cost of a semester at UCLA. Hillary is under the impression that college costs 3,000 for 4 years. Thats the tax credit anyone working will get, after the 4 years, to receive her FREE college plan.
Anyway, I brought up the medium household income, and those below the poverty line, to emphasis the LARGE voting block, Hillary is pandering too, for the poster who said, she is not electable.
While I was at it, it didn't hurt to ask, if anyone thinks, $48,000 allows you to live the American Dream, as she defines it, why does anyone need her "charity case" plans for that income group?
She's useless and will tax us all extra for no reason according to you and madtown tripper.
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Hey, I'm not a Hillary fan at all.
I think I'm on the record as saying that...
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gettinjiggywithit said: I can't respond to the first part because your $70,000 assumption is wrong as was shown you.
Thanks for the stats on the cost of a semester at UCLA. Hillary is under the impression that college costs 3,000 for 4 years. Thats the tax credit anyone working will get, after the 4 years, to receive her FREE college plan.
Anyway, I brought up the medium household income, and those below the poverty line, to emphasis the LARGE voting block, Hillary is pandering too, for the poster who said, she is not electable.
While I was at it, it didn't hurt to ask, if anyone thinks, $48,000 allows you to live the American Dream, as she defines it, why does anyone need her "charity case" plans for that income group?
She's useless and will tax us all extra for no reason according to you and madtown tripper.
I totally agree with you that Hilary is a retard and her idea are ridiculous. I would have trusted her more back when Bill was first in office before she got corrupted (even more than she already was).
But I'm just saying 48K is enough to live comfortably. And a 2 income houseold of 68K (which the census states is the avg income for TWO people that have incomes) ain't bad either. It's more than enough to live comfortably.
I'm actually getting sick of the crappy systems we have now and even worse.. the systems the democrats dream up with to make us more like Europe.
I'm starting to think the European systems aren't that great anyways. I play on Yahoo Pool a lot when i'm killing time and I end up talking to a lot of people in England. By all the fairy tales you hear, it sounds like, even though you have higher taxes, you get free health care. Everytime I bring it up to someone in England they laugh at me and start telling me about all the stipulations.
*Sigh*.. too good to be true
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