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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: aspore]
    #7451621 - 09/25/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

incubating more is bad, leads to overlay

case, wait till theres mycelium popping out, patch then fruit


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7451652 - 09/25/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ive also heard that leaving it colonized for a long time increases potency, theres no overlay in cakes....


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7451801 - 09/25/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean overlay. I thought over only happens on something that has been cased. I mean ppl leave cakes in jars until they start to pin, so whats the difference in leaving something like that until it starts to pin. i know that not what you would want to do as far as time goes but i just don't understand why its any different or a big deal. thanks


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7452144 - 09/25/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

cakes? overlay only happens to casings. cakes allowing to pin is fine.
i do it sometimes.
but hes not pf teking hes casing


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7452170 - 09/25/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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eww only thing that is bad about a pure verm casing layer is that it doesn't provide a very beneficial micro climate for pin development.




This is not true, it provides the PERFECT Micro cilmate, and, it allows no nutrient transfer, as verm is non nutritious, therefore, it acts as the protective barrier it's supposed to be, considering contams wont thrive w/o nutes.

So, as I use a pure verm casing layer on everything, i wouldn't do so if it wasn't ideal.

Bulk monotubs for the win~

oh, and that's some GREAT rhizo, that tubs gonna fruit like fucking mad.

time for a casing layer of pure verm, about a half inch thick, no more, let that colonize evenly. patch, and fruit.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #7452214 - 09/25/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Look what I found in my hpoo tub today:



Fistfull 'o monsters:



Strain: MEXICAN...I have a topic in marketplace :wink:


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: Weed_Indicated]
    #7452263 - 09/25/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Nice. What Strain?


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: aspore]
    #7452379 - 09/25/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Question: Why the mention of casing? I thought there was no casing in the bulk substrate process. I'm a little confused.

Is this how the bulk process goes:

Inoculate bulk substrate with grain, let colonize, throw a layer of "casing" over, let colonize (again, until you see mycelium poking thru "casing" layer), and THEN fruit? Just wanna make sure before I start.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7452450 - 09/25/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I understand hes not making cakes. I'm not that dumb. I said what is the difference between cakes and a bulk tub. Why can you let a cake sit until it starts to pin but you cant do the same thing with a bulk grow.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7452543 - 09/25/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well, you can let substrates get 100% white and its fine.
the cake doesnt overlay, casings/substrates are different!.
since cakes dont overlay, theres no problem letting them pin..
leaving a casing (if we ARE talking about cases) too long can or will
cause overlay
yes visions, when you see several patches on the casing fruit it, or patch then fruit (which is better)
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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7452658 - 09/25/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I use straight verm, as jeetered said. It has given me the best results as a casing layer. I have had contam problems with all others. Not saying the others aren't good, or better, but for me and my personal conditions straight verm is damned good.

I cased a bucket 2 days ago and it's already pinning.

So actually if you let your sub fully colonize, then wait a bit more to make sure it's 101%, then expose to fruiting conditions (FAE, higher RH, decrease in temp) then wait a few days, THEN case, this will insure your substrate in in 'fruit' mode, and won't overlay because it's not looking to expand it's mycelium body, it's looking to fruit, and your casing layer give it's that perfect microclimate to do so. If added to early while it's still colonizing, it will think your casing is part of your substrate and eat it, or overlay. Unless it's straight verm.

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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: aspore]
    #7452668 - 09/25/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so basically you do NOT want your casing to get colonized - or - if it does get colonized you want it to be during the fruiting period. Yes?


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7452896 - 09/25/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:eek:.....
okay
this is what mine looked like when i fruited


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #7453162 - 09/25/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

jeetered said:
Quote:

xaxphaanes said:
eww only thing that is bad about a pure verm casing layer is that it doesn't provide a very beneficial micro climate for pin development.




This is not true, it provides the PERFECT Micro cilmate, and, it allows no nutrient transfer, as verm is non nutritious, therefore, it acts as the protective barrier it's supposed to be, considering contams wont thrive w/o nutes.

So, as I use a pure verm casing layer on everything, i wouldn't do so if it wasn't ideal.

Bulk monotubs for the win~

oh, and that's some GREAT rhizo, that tubs gonna fruit like fucking mad.

time for a casing layer of pure verm, about a half inch thick, no more, let that colonize evenly. patch, and fruit.






Hmm i have always had crap pinsets with pure verm.50/50+ is the best micro climate you can get and will produce the best possible pinsets at least that is my experience with it.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7453315 - 09/25/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You may have crap pinsets using it, but hundreds of other people like myself have great success, getting a pinset that's not from multispore is what's most important, no matter what casing layer you use, if you're casing multispore, your pinset will pretty much be uneven, irregular, and diverse.

once you get to cloning, then you'll get the pinsets you see on the boards that amaze you.

As far as mixed casing layers, again, useless waste of time, if you know how to grow a cube with a casing layer, verm works perfectly fine.

as far as NOT casing a bulk grow, there are bulk susbtrate teks, like monotubs, that do recommend a casing layer, most other bulk neglect teks omit a casing layer, either way, you're gonna get better pinsets when you are NOT using multispore.

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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: jeetered]
    #7453584 - 09/25/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:congrats: very true jeet, very true

i disagree, straight verm makes a kickass casing, it holds alot of water.
check out these fatasses that grew with verm NO poo, just brf


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7453931 - 09/25/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

didn't say it didn't work just IMO it doesn't work as well as 50/50 allot of old hands would agree as well.oh well everyone has diff opinions and theory's nothing is really based on fact just personal experience.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: wutang]
    #7455609 - 09/26/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Lol thanks for the extremely technical answer wutang. You affectively managed to restate the obvious and previously stated in your answer. Clearly you can leave a cake in its jar until it pins with out it overlaying. And clearly you cant incubate a bulk grow until it finally pins or i would have never asked the question. My question was WHY will a bulk overlay. What is the difference other than substrate and container

If anyone has a real answer like, oh i dunno

-The glass jar keeps it from overlaying because it keeps it packed tight
-Cakes don't have enough gas exchange
-Bulk grows try to grow into the air
-Bulk grown try to colonize the plastic.
(Not sure if any of these are the answer or not)

I don't know, some type of reasoning as to why a cake will not overlay but a bulk grow can and will if left to long, please reply. If not just disregard the question seeing as its a pretty pointless question with no real benefit to knowing the answer. Thanks!:)


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7455628 - 09/26/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

id imagine it would have to do with the arrangement of the mycelial network and its sizeon a cellular level. a casing would probably overlay because the top layer isnt being utilized for food and digested, its only being colonized to 'seek' out food and water. and as such, id imagine the cells of the casing layer mycelia to be thinner and and composed of less chitin/water. therefore theres no actual 'grasp' on the nutrients and actual substrate, only a superficial one to seek out new nutrients (or trigger pinning if none are found before light and air are found). so when a careless grower comes along and mists too heavily, it compacts this network of fine/non-bound mycelia down into a hardened mass of cells that arent supported by their brethren and their strong cells, thus killing them and preventing fruiting. now in a cake, no matter what, the cells are going to remain chitinous and full of water and unable to be damaged.


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Re: First bulk attempt *Pics* [Re: Digital Reality]
    #7455629 - 09/26/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:justdontknow:
err might wanna do a little research


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