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LSD too clean to be real?
    #7431194 - 09/20/07 05:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A friend of mine a little back brought along some liquid acid that was incredibly clean. It almost seemed too clean. Onset time was 45mins-1hr... with the peak coming on around 2 hours. even after taking 5 hits. I've done it a couple of times, it is real visual but not much of a head trip. It is so clean you can literally sleep on it and wake up tripping (no joke). Other acid I have taken, taken in similar quantities comes in in 15ish minutes with the peak beginning within an hour. I've taken stuff that feels both clean and dirty... Either a floaty clear liberating feel will overwhelm you or more of a body load "crawl on the floor" feeling... This stuff is like you would go and get in your car and start driving and not realize you are tripping until you get a few blocks down the road kind of feel... Then look at the sky and know you are in oblivion... But at the same time I swear I could take 20 hits and not get to a "ego loss" state. (NEVER trip and drive!!!! just a figure of speech).

I would defiantly take the acid if it were to come around again... Would be great to do with friends where you wouldn't want a situation to get out of control... Or the kind of stuff you would want to take if you were stressed out and didn't want things to get to you. But it defiantly isn't the head trip I typically enjoy.

Its kind of like taking acid and a Xanax at the same time.. Something I typically do at the end of my trip. Dulls the head trip but visuals are still "liquid".

Also, last time I took it I took it after a meal and only being awake for 3 hours.. Woke up at 9pm took at 11pm. Took 5 drops to the tongue, then another 5 1hr later after nearly deciding it was fake, then realized it defiantly was not fake. Both times I took it was after a meal, however dropping on the toung I assumed would make no difference in effect. My friend w/ lesser experience than me made comments that he also thought it was "clean but slow"...

For old time acid junkies? What yah think? Perhaps its just a real low dose or some kind of super clean fake acid? The liquid tasted like pure alcohol.

I wish they made an acid test kit.. It is the only drug I actually enjoy and find beneficial to my life.
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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7431237 - 09/20/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i would say its most likely really lsd, but a low dose, from your description. The onset time and peak sound just right, but the fact that you took *TEN* drops and were not tripping that hard tells me it was def low dose. If this were typical 90-110 mic liquid and you took ten drops you would be fucking flying into outer-space. But the effects do sound like acid at low doses, acid can give a feeling of supreme mental clarity, sometimes even in the midst of extreme psychedelia. I hope you arent paying too much per drop man


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7431272 - 09/20/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

im wondering if there are different trips produced from different "strains" of acid
i read several threads talking about purity differences
and how theres different names for them
like lavender or fluff
and 1 person said they tripped with their dad and he tripped in the 70s
and said LSD now is a totaly diff drug
but i speculated that they just did an RC without knowing


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7431279 - 09/20/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My friend said he was told it was 100mic/drop... but it was also mentioned as "creeper acid". WTF is creeper acid I told my friend. I was like acid is acid, sometimes stuff is not as pure or clean... but by no means should something be real acid and be "creeper". The last good acid I had I was tripping in 12 minutes! These were some gel's though. I did take 5 :-) But it felt clean and I was defiantly in outer space. I had also been up for 18 hours when I took it too, so my mind was already "drained" before I took it. Think that could explain the quick/slow onset period? I wish I could get more of those gels! But considering I don't hang out in a drug crowd I don't have anything reliable... My friends know I like it so if they see it hear anything about acid they grab whatever knowing I'll take it.

What is weird is the first time I took it I went to sleep on it for a couple hours and woke back up and was almost tripping harder. I had had something to eat before taking it however I had been up all day. I'm wondering if there is something about your body/brain chemistry after eating food that has an effect on the trip. Since it is liquid I wouldn't think it would be asorbtion. Do you think taking acid after staying up for over 12 hours feeling "worn/tired" could perhaps have a larger effect on the "head trip" vs just the visual?

Has anyone tried an expirment with staggered doses? Say take one dose every hour for 3 hours vs take 3 doses at once?


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7431303 - 09/20/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well I know an old hippy that thinks its the real deal just weak but super clean. In recent time he hasn't tried much... But in the last two years I have tried quite a few different "flavors" of liquid, geltabs, and blotter. Some I know were RC's, some were questionable... some I defiantly thought were the real deal. So far the only thing I would say that was certiantly the real deal were the geltabs... but then again there might be a new potent RC strain going around that people are mistaking for good strong acid?

Honestly with some of the stuff I have done, I had no idea how someone could have done it in public... I mean pure magic feel but tripping too hard to really be functional in any manner. It is the kind of stuff where you would utterly be living a cartoon with no script. This stuff, and some of the stuff I used to get I would be comfortable tripping at say a concert or something... But if this is the real deal how were all those people experiencing all the creativeness and ego loss in the old days?

Anyone know of any RC's that would hit you in 15 minutes? Actually, when I took the 5 gel's.. I wrote down what time and in 12 minutes I was getting a visual/body trip! Same deal with this really strong liquid I got one time except it didn't feel as clean.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7431323 - 09/20/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

12 minutes is insanely fast for ANY psychedellic, dmt aside. i dont know of any RC that would work that fast unless it was injected, in fact most commonly layed rc's take a lot longer to come on than acid. my guess is that you're a very light person that usually gets hit real quick with a drug. That could be acid, or it could be a placebo affect, like you think you're tripping cus you've taken acid before and you know how it feels but in actuality it hasnt come on yet. idk many factors, and its all speculation unless you send a tab into the lab. hey that rhymes!


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7431343 - 09/20/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it depends upon the method of absorbtion. So if you could line your lungs with LSD, that would be quick, as would injecting it. Having it under the tongue would also be a quick method of getting it into your system.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7431417 - 09/20/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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LysergicRide said:I'm wondering if there is something about your body/brain chemistry after eating food that has an effect on the trip. Since it is liquid I wouldn't think it would be asorbtion.



any drug taken on a full stomach will have less effect.

I thought 20-30mins to "feel something" is quite common for acid. I'm sure the bigger the dose the faster the come-on. If you do enough you WILL experience ego death and have much more chance of a bad trip. Doses in the 60s were just stronger.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7431420 - 09/20/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if it's liquid, it easily could have been extremely diluted by some asshole so they could make money off of it


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: demiu5]
    #7431466 - 09/20/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Acid hits me in ten minutes. Anything over a level 3 trip will hit me in 20 minutes at the LATEST, but usually ten to fifteen.

My guess is your liquid is awesome. You redosed though ( something I have found NEVER works for me ). If I eat 5 now and 5 later, it feels like the 5 later bring the first 5 down. The first 5 I ate on no tolerence, start tripping insanely hard, figure I should eat more to push the limit ( even though if I'd just wait a couple hours there would be no limit ) The second 5 I ate when I HAVE a tolerence ( just ate 5 an hour or so ago ) so therefore I don't think the two doses mesh together well, and almost compete in your brain to give you that experience.....this is all me sitting around tripping balls and deducing theory, nothing I know for sure.....

So now when, if I wanna trip hard, I just eat a couple more hits than I feel comfortable taking. Usually if I'm comfortable at a 2 dose level, once I'm peaking, I'm disappointed. If I'm comfortable at a 2 dose level, and eat 4, I get my mind blown....which is the whole point in my opinion.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7431641 - 09/20/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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12 minutes is insanely fast for ANY psychedellic, dmt aside. i dont know of any RC that would work that fast unless it was injected, in fact most commonly layed rc's take a lot longer to come on than acid. my guess is that you're a very light person that usually gets hit real quick with a drug. That could be acid, or it could be a placebo affect, like you think you're tripping cus you've taken acid before and you know how it feels but in actuality it hasnt come on yet. idk many factors, and its all speculation unless you send a tab into the lab. hey that rhymes!




The more acid you take, the faster you feel its effects. My "record" is 7-8 minutes with 4-4.5 hits of amazing blotter (amazing is referring to and comparing it to acid I've had/done)

My last trip was with around 15-17 hits (It was at least, a wad of paper the size of a chewed up piece of gum in my mouth) and it kicked in around at the same time. I'm sure there were effects before that mark, but they can be subtle enough to not notice, especially if it is an area of the experience you do not pay attention to (for numerous reasons)

Regardless if it is mushrooms, or LSD, for me the effects are "blatant" at around 20-25 minutes, and 40 minutes guaranteed the effects are "blatantly blatant"


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7431655 - 09/20/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

did a drop up my nose once, was coming on STRONG in 10 mins.
ive never had a trip like that before, gives a very cerebral mental feeling.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: vandago]
    #7431916 - 09/20/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

that sucks that redosing hasn't helped you.

this past bonnaroo I kept redosing from friday morning through saturday evening and was going at about the same intensity for close to 60 hours


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: demiu5]
    #7432305 - 09/20/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha dosing up your nose that's a killer idea never thought of that. was there any burn?


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7432516 - 09/20/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

not really, its only a tiny bit of alcohol.
learnt that little trick from one of my raver mates, he says a drop on the tounge doesnt really satisfy. and let me tell you, up the nose hits almost twice as hard, i mean that was one of my strongest psychedelic experiences ever, off one drop!
visually more intense that 2 grams of hawaiians, and about the same level as when i did three drops of very nice cid on my tonge a couple weeks previously. there were full on BRIGHT visuals EVERYWHERE and oh my god such a headtrip


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7432540 - 09/20/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The effects you described reminded me a lot more of 2C-B than LSD (which gets sold as LSD around here occasionally). Being able to sleep while high and having strong visuals with a mild head trip are both characteristics of 2C-B. Personally I can't ever imagine being able to sleep on LSD, however I've never had LSD that was super dilluted either. My 2 cents.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: Dioxyde]
    #7432818 - 09/20/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

^^
Dude you can't sleep on 2C-B. That's like sleeping on MDA.

Anyway the only substance I have taken that felt physically smoother than LSD *AND* I could sleep in the middle of it was DOC.

Many people find DOC less smooth on the body than LSD though. It takes about 45 minutes to start feeling it, 2 hours to reach peak, and lasts anywhere from 12 to 20 hours. It is visually intense but a little more "clear headed" than LSD, at least at reasonable doses.

But really it just sounds like weak, clean LSD to me.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: bluedolphin]
    #7432915 - 09/20/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Doc is clear headed i agree, and the visuals are quite intense, but two hours till peak? When i take Doc i usually start to feel it around an hour to an hour and a half, peaking around 4-5 hours in. I felt i could sleep on it but after a laying in bed for an hour i realized it wasnt possible, it is an amphetamine remember. My friend always said that when your tired on DOC the best you can do is going to bed and pretend to sleep haha i always thought that was a great description because thats what ends up happening.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: bluedolphin]
    #7433724 - 09/20/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude you can't sleep on 2C-B. That's like sleeping on MDA.





Hmmm MDA of course would be impossible, but 2C-B I have found sleep to be remarkably easy for some reason? The first time I tried it I was shocked because I had never encountered a psychedelic I could sleep on and that was generally as easy going, yet strong, as 2C-B before. I read on Erowid after my first experience: "Some people find they can sleep once the peak is over (about 60-90mins after the effects start)." So I guess I am just "some people".


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: Dioxyde]
    #7434112 - 09/20/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In reaction to afew of the many statements here.

-doc does feel very clean to some people
-10 hits of even low/average/decent lsd will kick your ass(most peoples asses)
-Redosing cant make your trip less intense.
-redosing works pretty damn well for most people who have actually tried it within 7 hours of the last dose.
-different people taking the same lsd will feel it come on at different times. I can feel any dose in about 15 minutes, but at that same dose, some people I know cant feel anything for 45 min to one hour and a half even.
-on a large dose of lsd(900+ mics) most people can feel it within less than 10 minutes.
-Unless you know acid, dont expect to know that what you took is acid. Much experience is the only way.


Lastly,
-lsd is lsd.
Potentially active impurities are found in such tiny doses that you would have to eat about 1000+ mics just to feel any difference(likely much more than 1000 mics).
In most cases, they have "washed" the lsd many times. Impurities are not important even if this were not the case.

Basically, its all placebo or you have a different drug.
clean vs dirty lsd is pretty much a dead issue.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: Littleman]
    #7980495 - 02/04/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We had a superb stint of snorting crushed LSD micro-dots when I was younger.

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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: yageman]
    #7981733 - 02/05/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Different acid has different energies.

How do I know this? Cause everything has different energies. Even the same kind of cookie given to me by two different people would taste different.

Anyone familiar with cooking will tell you that what is of vastly more importance than the skill of the cook or the quality of the ingredients is how much love is put into the meal!

I believe the same applies to psychedelics. Different people making the LSD, different people moving the LSD, all adding to its energetic spectrum.

A lot of this has to do with what we would currently call 'placebo,' but I believe the reality of the situation goes much deeper than the reductive notion of people merely 'tricking' themselves into having a very real experience, or noticing something very actually different about single experiences.

I think your expectations, thoughts, and energies affect the acid as well.

I mean, that's gotta be it. Otherwise, LSD is just LSD is LSD, and you can't convince me that everyone that has noticed a difference between batches was really just naive and completely misled by this placebo thing that we in the know so clearly understand.


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #7982022 - 02/05/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hmmmmm, well i have been seeing some REALLY clean lsd around my parts lately. very much like some of what you were describing; so clean that you could EASILY forget you were tripping. somebody else i know reported to me saying, 'the hits were so clean i could sleep on them'.

im usually not a very visual tripper. though maybe that's cause i really enjoy all the funky things tryptamines do with my thoughts so i primarily focus on that. i remember when i first tried the batch that it took me a while to realize how hard i was peaking, and then i got high. really high, and THAT'S when reality went completely AWOL. that shit was like a slip n' slide into insanity. i remember looking at some art by this guy, beksinski. his art in general is just eerie..but that night i watched transdimensional doorways open up right on the computer screen instantly sending a tendrilous pulse quaking through the entire room. this was without a doubt true blue, genuine, hippie-grade lsd. just OUT of this world.

anyway, all of the speculations here are at least possible to an extent. if you ask me, i think it ought to be really easy to weed out the fake acid trips. i dont know though, tryptamines just have a very *distinct* air to them...for me at least. but everyone is different i guess.

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actually here's a test: next time you dose, smoke some reef then look at this pic. if your mentality doesnt seem totally blasted, then i think you might have an issue...




hm, just noticed that this thread was bumped from like 5 months ago..oh well. at least i learned that lsd through the nose is an ok go:crazy2:


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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: LysergicRide]
    #9810911 - 02/16/09 09:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i know this is a very old thread, but i had an experience with some potent "lsd" that i have been wondering about for some time. i have done blotter a fair amount of times with varying degrees of potency and this particular experience trumped all of them.

around may of 2008, i came across a sheet with directions around a city on it (presumably to fool police who might come across it). anyways, the guy who gave it to us warned it was very strong and that we should only take one hit to test it out.  however, me and my buddy, being the overconfident "ive done this plenty of times before" types decided to take 3 and 7 hits, respectively.

i remember laying on a couch in my living room waiting for it to kick in and about 10 mins later i noticed the poster above my head seemed odd and the more i stared at it, i saw the gap between it and the wall widening.  it started to bug me out because i remember thinking "god this can't be hitting me already!" i immediately sat up and started talking to my buds and their faces all looked cartoonish, almost as if they had been painted with oil pastels. all of this is within 15 mins of putting those hits under my tounge. to make a long story shorter, that ended up being the strongest acid trip i have ever had. my friend who took 7 hits freaked out about 45 minutes into the trip and was literally talking to a tree in my front yard. he is also pretty experienced in psychedelics and to see him lose his shit almost caused me too. he ended up running home scared that monkeys were chasing him with bone clubs (we were watching 2001: a space odyssey) and when a friend went to his apartment to talk him down, he answered the door with a .357.

despite all of this, i still had a great time visually. however i have been wondering ever since how it is possible that the acid kicked in so quickly? normally the onset is 45 minutes at the earliest. i don't know that it was another drug, as the mental effects were the same as i usually get on acid, albiet more pronounced.

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    #9810989 - 02/16/09 10:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: LSD too clean to be real? [Re: Mandelbrot107]
    #9811011 - 02/16/09 10:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Liquid seems to hit faster. I can feel a very slight change of perception almost as soon as i take. Its not tripping or even really a high, but its there.


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