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Re: Jena Six [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7431813 - 09/20/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

NO NO NO NO NO. NO. RF, you clearly don't understand the facts of the case and are operating on assumption/generalization.

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1. Some white kids hung the nooses on a tree.



Because a black kid tried to sit there. Those white kids deserve an ass beating, just too bad it didn't come from their parents. The principal recommended that the three students be expelled. I am not sure that this is an overreaction to what could be interpreted as a death threat. But the school superintendant decided a three day suspension would suffice.

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2.  Black kids got pissed off and brutally beat a white kid.



Yes. Depending on "brutal." The white kid was sent to an ER was he was treated for a concussion.
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3.  Sharpton opens his big fucking mouth and tries to get leniency for the black kids.




You are missing the fundamental point of the story, which is that the DA had all six of the black kids involved in the beating charged with attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. For a beating? That the superintendant would write off the hanging of nooses as "a childish stunt" (actual quote) and the ensuing, much deserved beat down comes with a charge of attempted murder and a 100 year prison sentence for a bunch of 16 year olds should strike you as unjust.

Yes, Al Sharpton got involved and is trying to get leniency on the charge of murder. Those murdering adolescents deserve life sentences. :rolleyes:

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BUT, the black kids should be tried for the very serious charge of battery and maybe even attempted murder.  What the white kids did wasn't right but the black kids' crime was much more severe as it involved violence.




Well, I guess you are entitled to your opinion. But I think it is insane that every time a fight breaks out in school someone should get charged with attempted murder. Because that is what you are suggesting.

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And of course Sharpton swoops down like a fucking vulture because he likes getting his name in the paper.  That piece of shit race-baiting demagogue scumbag who incites the black community to continually play the victim is a tumor.




You can hate Shaprton all you want but in this case he is correct. The DA's charges against the Jena six are unforgivable, and has turned the boys into victims of the justice system.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7431818 - 09/20/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes I really want to kick america's ass


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Re: Jena Six [Re: Nickio]
    #7431822 - 09/20/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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A story on Yahoo I read said that some kids hung nooses on a tree then a gang of 6 black guys jumped one white kid and beat him brutally.

Then I read a little more into it and it seems as though a lot more shit went down before that, a lot of racial tensions and the white kid was the one that instigated the fight in the first place. I'm thinking Yahoo might be a little racist :X




First off, Yahoo never writes their own articles. They just post other people's (nothing wrong with that.) This particular article is from an AP writer.
Secondly, I think this article seems to stay pretty unbiased one way or the other. Just tells what happened, not whether it's right or wrong.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7431829 - 09/20/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Sometimes I really want to kick america's ass




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Re: Jena Six [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7431834 - 09/20/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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In my opinion, if it's just some minor high school scrap then it's no big deal.  :shrug:  The black kids should get maybe 20 hours of community service or something.




Six black students were charged with attempted second-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder, on charges that leave them facing between twenty and one hundred years in jail. The defendants, ranging in age from fifteen to seventeen, had their bonds set at between $70,000 and $138,000.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1413220


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Re: Jena Six [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7431846 - 09/20/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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if nickio is right in saying that the white kid instigated the fight, then i think the black kids really should only be tried for battery. Obviously it's not cool to have a 6 on 1 fight, but if that 1 is an ignorant redneck brandishing a shotgun, then i start to feel a bit more empathetic for the defendants.




Well, if that is true it changes things. If the white kid brandished a shotgun and instigated the encounter then the black kids' reaction could be seen as justifiable self-defense.

However, my whole point in all of this is that our examinations of this incident should be color-blind. Let's examine the facts of what happened and punish those involved accordingly. But, Sharpton plays the race card (as always). It's this kind of "victim mentality" that causes seperatism and division between the races which leads to this kind of tension in the first place.




In this case he has the right to. I'll let alone the fact that we can't really examine this whilst being color-blind, since it's completely race motivated.

The fact of the matter is some kid got his ass whooped at school, and now the kids who whooped his ass are (or were) getting charged with attempted murder? Please, that's fucking ridiculous. Maybe you guys didn't go to high school, but shit like that would result in a suspension, maybe get you expelled if you were known as a trouble maker. To get tried as an adult for attempted murder is ridiculous.

Not to mention if it were six white kids beating up another white kid, it sure as fuck wouldn't a) get this much attention (since it wouldn't be a story at all) and b) Result in charges of attempted murder.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: jewunit]
    #7431854 - 09/20/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Not to mention if it were six white kids beating up another white kid, it sure as fuck wouldn't a) get this much attention (since it wouldn't be a story at all) and b) Result in charges of attempted murder.




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Re: Jena Six [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7431856 - 09/20/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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It matters what the circumstances of the fight were.  Was it just a scrap and the white kid wasn't hurt much?  Did the white kid end up in a coma and in intensive care?  Did the white kid really instigate things with a gun?  All of these details will have a bearing on what these black kids should be charged with and how they should be punished.

In my opinion, if it's just some minor high school scrap then it's no big deal.  :shrug:  The black kids should get maybe 20 hours of community service or something.




Read the other shit Nickio posted.
The kid was out of the hospital that night attending a "social event."


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Re: Jena Six [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7431923 - 09/20/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Hyper_Panda_GO said:
Sometimes I really want to kick america's ass




be careful, you might get charged with attempted murder




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Re: Jena Six [Re: breakableweed]
    #7431941 - 09/20/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, it's all good

I'm white


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Re: Jena Six [Re: jewunit]
    #7432177 - 09/20/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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A story on Yahoo I read said that some kids hung nooses on a tree then a gang of 6 black guys jumped one white kid and beat him brutally.

Then I read a little more into it and it seems as though a lot more shit went down before that, a lot of racial tensions and the white kid was the one that instigated the fight in the first place. I'm thinking Yahoo might be a little racist :X




First off, Yahoo never writes their own articles. They just post other people's (nothing wrong with that.) This particular article is from an AP writer.
Secondly, I think this article seems to stay pretty unbiased one way or the other. Just tells what happened, not whether it's right or wrong.




That is precisely the reason I posted the AP Version, it is unbiased,
and simply relays the facts. There are a number of versions out there that have bias one way or the other, but the AP is always nothing, but facts. I believe making an informed decision is the only decision
one should make on any issue, and every issue should be explored from a nuetral stand point.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7432571 - 09/20/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What the white kids did wasn't right, and should be change by the law.
But, to have six kids beat on one kid isn't right ether and should be change as much as the law will allow.

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Re: Jena Six [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7432834 - 09/20/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ok, i dont like al sharpton either

but its funny how you just start running your mouth about this being fake bullshit outrage, and al sharpton trying to get attention when you dont even know what exactly went down... the white kids were clearly instigating all of this, and deserved a beat down.. and the da is just a piece of shit


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Re: Jena Six [Re: Brainiac]
    #7432880 - 09/20/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

what do you mean "should be change by the law"?

and no, of course 6 on 1 isn't a fair fight. but as it's already been stated, the situation was already a boiling pot rife with strife ready to spill over. the stupid white kid shouldn't have made ignorant racist remarks, especially given the recent circumstances, knowing full well that tempers were already high and that he was shit-talking to 6 very angry guys.

honestly, it is in my opinion that the fuckhead got what was coming to him. and given that this was a high school brawl and the victim did not even sustain any serious injuries, i don't think that any serious charges need be pressed. i think the suggestion of 20 community service hours apiece was fair.

the fact that they even attempted to have these kids tried as adults for attempted murder is just fucking ludicrous.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7432928 - 09/20/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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seriously sunra, you cannot even attempt to claim that race had nothing to do with the whole being tried as adults with attempted murder thing. especially given all that went down beforehand.




Whatever the reason, I'm happy to see harsh penalties given to people who inflict violence on others.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7432931 - 09/20/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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tiny_rabid_birds said:
seriously sunra, you cannot even attempt to claim that race had nothing to do with the whole being tried as adults with attempted murder thing.  especially given all that went down beforehand.




Whatever the reason, I'm happy to see harsh penalties given to people who inflict violence on others.




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Re: Jena Six [Re: Brainiac]
    #7432933 - 09/20/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I can't fucking believe how racist this whole situation is.

Those black kids are getting screwed over for being proud of who they are.

An asswhooping amongst teens is a completely natural thing.. its part of life. Just cause there was 6 of them present, doesn't mean that all 6 of them stood there kicking the shit out of the white guy.

I've been in fights before where I've had a group of guys jump me.. it happens. Its part of growing up. I ended up with black eyes and some bruises. These fucking hicks are suing these black dudes simply because of the social segregation white culture instills upon us from a young age.

Man this shit is really fucked up.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7432939 - 09/20/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Regardless, it happens all the time. Even the knocked unconscious part. And the usual result is suspension or expulsion from school.

I knew two kids who beat a kid within an inch of his life. I met them at teen court, where they were sentenced to a few hours of community service and a year of classes in conflict resolution.

Do you honestly think it's just for these kids to have their lives taken away from them over this? Maybe you can't imagine how threatening it would feel to have nooses hanging around your school's campus with the message aimed at you. Not to mention that they were provoked by their attacker, who was armed. I'm not justifying their actions, but most reasonable people would conclude that the 'justice' they're receiving has everything to do with their location and the color of their skin.




I honestly don't care if it's fair for those kids to have their lives taken away for this. I want the removed from society because they are prone to violence and will continue to be throughout their lives.


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Re: Jena Six [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #7432955 - 09/20/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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bug said:
Regardless, it happens all the time. Even the knocked unconscious part. And the usual result is suspension or expulsion from school.

I knew two kids who beat a kid within an inch of his life. I met them at teen court, where they were sentenced to a few hours of community service and a year of classes in conflict resolution.

Do you honestly think it's just for these kids to have their lives taken away from them over this? Maybe you can't imagine how threatening it would feel to have nooses hanging around your school's campus with the message aimed at you. Not to mention that they were provoked by their attacker, who was armed. I'm not justifying their actions, but most reasonable people would conclude that the 'justice' they're receiving has everything to do with their location and the color of their skin.




I honestly don't care if it's fair for those kids to have their lives taken away for this. I want the removed from society because they are prone to violence and will continue to be throughout their lives.




More then likely those kids are going to end up in jail, anyway .

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Re: Jena Six [Re: jewunit]
    #7432966 - 09/20/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The fact of the matter is some kid got his ass whooped at school, and now the kids who whooped his ass are (or were) getting charged with attempted murder? Please, that's fucking ridiculous. Maybe you guys didn't go to high school, but shit like that would result in a suspension, maybe get you expelled if you were known as a trouble maker. To get tried as an adult for attempted murder is ridiculous.




Yeah this is very true. I was in quite a few fights back in high school. The last one I remember I think we both got suspended for 3 days a piece. Both myself and the other kid really beat the fuck out of each other too, it wasn't some lame half assed fight that got broke up in 10 seconds. :lol: Honestly I can't fathom how/why these kids are being charged with attempted murder.


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