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High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust
    #7430952 - 09/20/07 05:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20070920_High-quality_drugs_seized_in_Mayfair_bust.html

In addition to marijuana worth $54,000, police say, they found cocaine, pills, and cash.

The marijuana in Ziploc bags was high-quality hydroponic pot and the cocaine so pure that the owner was remixing bricks to increase the value, police said.

The stash, however, is no longer hidden in drop ceilings in Mayfair. Yesterday, it was moved to a police evidence room as officers charged the man they say was a serious player in the city's drug market.

"He's not a street-level drug dealer," said Narcotics Chief Inspector William Blackburn. "He's a major supplier who distributes drugs in the Northeast."

Francis Fulmer, 46, of the 2800 block of Longshore Avenue, is charged with possession of narcotics and possession with intent to distribute.

After executing a predawn search warrant, police confiscated drugs they said had a street value of more than $850,000 - mostly cocaine in brick and powder form. The marijuana is worth about $54,000 and a stash of the prescription painkiller OxyContin valued at about $24,000, police said.

Additionally, police said they confiscated $38,648 in cash and a jeweler's press that they believe was used to compress cocaine bricks after the drugs were remixed.

Narcotics Capt. Chris Werner said Officers Richard Fitzgerald and Brian Dietz were investigating a drug ring that had a business plan similar to that of a pizza shop: Customers called with an order, and dealers arranged the delivery.

Dietz said during the investigation, which focused mostly on street-level dealers, Fulmer was identified as a supplier. Police said Fulmer could produce large quantities of high-quality drugs.

The marijuana, police said, was hydroponic, which means it was grown in water with an elaborate lighting system, most likely indoors. That growing method can make the drug more potent.

The cocaine, which had not yet been remixed using cutting agents, was extremely pure, Werner said.

Blackburn said the drugs were stored in drop ceilings and crawl spaces on the second floor and basement of Fulmer's home. The marijuana was not grown there, he said.

Philadelphia police brought in the FBI, and the investigation, which began several weeks ago, is continuing as authorities try to identify a broader network, Blackburn said.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7431314 - 09/20/07 09:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"The marijuana, police said, was hydroponic, which means it was grown in water with an elaborate lighting system, most likely indoors. That growing method can make the drug more potent."

This misconception again :\

..Hydroponics has nothing to do with potency. It's all about the genetics!


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7431668 - 09/20/07 12:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>>>The cocaine, which had not yet been remixed using cutting agents, was extremely pure, Werner said.

WTF is extremely pure? Did they do a purity test or not?
I can only assume that the lack of specifics meant that the cop tested it himself!?


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: funknsoul]
    #7432003 - 09/20/07 02:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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funknsoul said:
"The marijuana, police said, was hydroponic, which means it was grown in water with an elaborate lighting system, most likely indoors. That growing method can make the drug more potent."

This misconception again :\

..Hydroponics has nothing to do with potency. It's all about the genetics!




Yes and No


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Brainiac]
    #7432038 - 09/20/07 02:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why are you playing Devil's Advocate? Of course the method of cultivation has an effect on potency, but its needless to say that if you grow hemp with a lot of tender loving care it is still going to be hemp. Funknsoul is correct, genetics determine potency. Sure Ultra violet light can inscrease potency and high concentrations of potassium and phosphorous can cause resin production to increase toward ripening time, but genetics are the primary factor determining potency.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: igloo]
    #7432109 - 09/20/07 02:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

pot grown on water and not on infant blood is said to be super potent and mega addictive.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7432455 - 09/20/07 03:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not saying genetics, doesn't play a role in the potency.It also has to do with the growers skills.If, he/she doesn't know how to look after the plants. Genetics, can only do so much. The rest is up the growers skills



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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Brainiac]
    #7432735 - 09/20/07 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

^^ exactly.
There are alot o people around here who bitch about not being able to get seeds.
And Ill tell them to use redbud seeds, and theyll say somethin like "Nah fool, I dun wanna grow no bammer, I wanna grow some bomb"
I just laugh..
Ive grown redbud that was just as good as anything I was buying at the time..
I think 80% of potency comes from the growers know how, n the rest is genetics..


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: learysprotoge]
    #7433409 - 09/20/07 06:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Brainiac I suppose that name is meant to be ironic? Marijuana is a plant and plants have never needed human intervention to grow. Perhaps corn requires human intervention to sow, but that is about it. Plant Marijuana -Marijuana being the keyword here- at the beginning of the season in an area with fertile soil, ample rain fall and direct sunlight. You will harvest ripe floral clusters between mid autumn and the on set of winter depending on the length of the season and the rate at which a particular variety matures. Minimal supplemental irrigation and / or fertigation -the addition of water soluble fertilizer- is necessary in such a region. Insect and pest control is important during the early stages of growth. It is true that marijuana is a cultivated crop and not a naturally occurring phenomenon. Cannabis escapes cultivation and becomes naturalized or weedy. The bottom line is that genetic material determines potency and it doesn't take a rocket scientist or an artist to cultivate cannabis. Learyrprotoge your statement is moronic in a wonderfully subtle way. It is as if you were incapable of drawing a logical conclusion. The reason your so called "red bud" seed turned out better than the marijuana from which it originated is DUE TO GENETICS. It is a well known fact that "schwag", "dirt weed" or "regs" are in fact of considerably choice origin. Mexican sativa is some of the best pot in the world. It turns into schwag because of how it is handled after harvesting. It is piled onto trucks, compressed into bricks, urinated and defecated on by animals. Phenotype is the expression of the plants genetics and its environment. If marijuana is genetically potent and provided with the proper parameters -what brainiac regards as skill- it will express its potential via high THC concentrate IF the flowers are allowed to ripen. The consensus is and shale be that TWO factors determine the absolute potency of marijuana. Number one is genetics and number two is maturity. Genetics and maturity those are the most important. Growth Parameters are the third most important aspect and a growers skill is a combination of all three factors. Obtaining potent genetics, adjusting parameters to favor vigorous development and insuring optimum maturity.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: igloo]
    #7433534 - 09/20/07 07:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

*Marijuana, is the dried flowers of the Cannabis Sativa / Indica plants.

"Marijuana is a plant and plants have never needed human intervention to grow"

Grow any plant INDOORS with out any human intervention and see what you get.

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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Brainiac]
    #7433975 - 09/20/07 09:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Your retort is to include one dictionary definition, but omit the other? Marijuana 1. the cannabis plant

Marijuana is by definition the cannabis plant that yields the drug it is named for. Inversely, Hemp is by definition the cannabis plant that yields the rope for which it is named.

You just got nailed dude.

When did this become an indoor horticulture discussion? I believe the original argument was in regards to the most important factors contributing to the overall potency of marijuana. I'm sure you could spin any fact I throw at you. Its needless to stay that an indoor environment requires supervision. As I stated the third most probable factor contributing to the overall quality and potency of marijuana is the proper management of all interwoven parameters. Light level and spectrum, photo period, temperature, air quality; co2 concentration, circulation, humidity, moisture to air ratios of the medium or substrate on / in which the plant is cultivated, pH balance, soil fertility or hydroponic nutrient solution management, precise part per million concentration of dissolved solids / electro conductivity / osmotic pressure, etc. The point is that genetics are the most important factor determining the potency of marijuana and making sure the buds reach maturity is the second factor. You aren't going to get from potent genetics (seed or clone) to ripened female cannabis flowers (weed) unless those numerous parameters are within the acceptable range for healthy development. So in conclusion the vital issues to consider are genetic potential of a variety and ripening. After that you just have to dry, cure (if preferred) and store properly to insure preservation of THC.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: igloo]
    #7434185 - 09/20/07 10:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why bother trolling here man, all they are saying is how potent bud can be by grower/genetics--not how easy it is to grow weed WITH the right settings.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: igloo]
    #7434186 - 09/20/07 10:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cannabis is the Latin genus name

Try looking up Marijuana in this link

http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do

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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Brainiac]
    #7435410 - 09/21/07 07:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I suppose next we are going to debate whether cannabis indica and cannabis sativa are of the same species? Your last post is stupid. I never said marijuana is the genus or species name. the word marijuana can be used and is often used to denote the variety of cannabis from which the drug it self is produced. My main argument is that a grower's skill is not a significant factor contributing to the potency of marijuana. I could easily plant a marijuana seed in a pot of organic soil, water with hard water from the tap and rotate the potted plant a few times a week in front of a southern facing window. I could even do it two times a year at the 45th parallel. How much skill does that take? Genetics and maturity are the most important. You can't get from point A to point B unless you have a brain, but you don't have to be some master cultivator with freakish green thumb.


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Re: High-quality drugs seized in Mayfair bust [Re: Alion]
    #7435414 - 09/21/07 07:32 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Alion said:
Why bother trolling here man, all they are saying is how potent bud can be by grower/genetics--not how easy it is to grow weed WITH the right settings.




Maybe next time try actually reading and attempting to comprehend what I wrote instead of just skimming over it and making a comment.


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