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m_djbliss
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Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . .
#7430851 - 09/20/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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PLEASE POST SUGGESTIONS FOR ALL THOSE BEGINNERS OUT THERE!
Here are some important tips that I did not fully understand before cultivating. My first grow turned out to be pretty sweet, but here are some things I would change:
*DO NOT: use old spores (Although I fruited a strain from 5 month old spores, only half my cakes turned out. The other's stalled) This may have been due to other poor techniques though (like only 2 inoc points)
*DO: Use half pint jars. If you think you will get a greater yield using the bigger jars, you'd be better off pancaking two smaller ones and throwing some verm in between (*suggested by RR)
*DO NOT: use the larger course sized verm. It worked fine for me, but I think the cakes stay moister if you use finer grained verm.
*DO: use 4 inoculation points. I used two, and for the most part they worked out. About 4 of 12 cakes stalled and did not colonize the entire substrate. I'm sure if I would have used 4 inoc points, they would have colonized faster and perhaps not have stalled. PS - use 4 especially if you've got some old spores.
*DO NOT: use a wire mesh/caging material to lay down on top of the perlite. I had 2 cakes that decided to fruit through the very bottom. Needless to say, those one's were worthless!
*DO: Use a glove box. Costs about 6 bucks for a container... Cut some holes in that baby. I did, and am very thankful. Also, i used 50/50 diluted alcohol to sterilize. Strongly recommend.
*DO: Watch all of RR's vids on YouTube (user name: MushroomRR). Also, watch Paul Stamet's video conferences (not any on cultivation, just gets you really involved and psyched about the natural beauty of mycology).
*DO: Dunk and roll your cakes. Make sure to sterilize your verm (oven that stuff for 20-25 min at 325 deg) I'm thankful I did.
Okay, that's about all I've got for now. Remember, be sterile and provide the best growing environment as possible. For more on this, watch Easy Mushroom Growing on google video.
Good luck out there guys.
P.S. WThese were pleurotus ostreatus (oysters). Has anyone had any luck w/pf tek for Shitake ? Does verm work still, or should I use sawdust ?
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Edited by m_djbliss (09/24/07 10:57 PM)
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: m_djbliss]
#7430874 - 09/20/07 01:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sorry but u can still pull it off stop saying u cant u canif u want its ur choice
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: Walter1496211]
#7430977 - 09/20/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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my suggestion to beginners would be to ignore this post as half of it isn't very valid. read as much as you can, then re-read it, then try and hopefully fail. then go re-read stuff and learn from your mistakes, then keep trying and reading and trying more and reading more.
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: Optx]
#7431198 - 09/20/07 05:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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MY suggestion for beginners is not to get caught up too much in the nitty gritty sterile technque.... it's good, and it helps alot... but i hear of people mouth washing, cleanign thier teeth, mouth washing, then using a dust mask.... chances are the dust mask has more bacteria on it then would be if they just didn't use anything. Apart from that, dont be nervous, and dont be afraid to jump right in and do whatever style you want, no matter how easy or hard it is... you'll make mistakes, and that's how you'll probably learn. Apart from that, do as the last post says, and read until your eyes bleed.....for a few months! then continually research better/more efficient ways of doing stuff... Just my suggestions anyway. And Goodluck!
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: Phreakr]
#7431433 - 09/20/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree, this post is retarded...
"*DO NOT: use old spores (Although I fruited a strain from 5 month old spores, only half my cakes turned out. The other's stalled) This may have been due to other poor techniques though (like only 2 inoc points)"
correction: I believe one of the old hands reported using a 5 year old syringe and getting it to fruit.
"*DO NOT: use the larger course sized verm. It worked fine for me, but I think the cakes stay moister if you use finer grained verm."
I have only grown with fine because thats the only size available to me and it works, but coarse grain is better because it gives a better texture for the mycelium to travel and gives air to the substrate
"*DO: use 4 inoculation points. I used two, and for the most part they worked out. About 4 of 12 cakes stalled and did not colonize the entire substrate. I'm sure if I would have used 4 inoc points, they would have colonized faster and perhaps not have stalled. PS - use 4 especially if you've got some old spores."
True, 4 innocs are better than 2, and it will go faster, but it isn't going to stall because not as many points. It will eventually colonize, if it stalled then you did something wrong (prob moisture?)
"*DO: Dunk and roll your cakes. Make sure to sterilize your verm (oven that stuff for 20-25 min at 325 deg) I'm thankful I did."
You dont need to sterilize your verm. Hell, even pastuerization isnt neccessary, just dump it straight from the bag and roll it, what I did and worked fine.
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: Optx]
#7431488 - 09/20/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Optx said: my suggestion to beginners would be to ignore this post as half of it isn't very valid. read as much as you can, then re-read it, then try and hopefully fail. then go re-read stuff and learn from your mistakes, then keep trying and reading and trying more and reading more.
I'm posting based on my experience and research. You tell me (and the readers) which part is not very valid and why. That's the point of a discussion form.
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: Nickio]
#7431513 - 09/20/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nickio said: Yeah I agree, this post is retarded...
"*DO NOT: use old spores (Although I fruited a strain from 5 month old spores, only half my cakes turned out. The other's stalled) This may have been due to other poor techniques though (like only 2 inoc points)"
correction: I believe one of the old hands reported using a 5 year old syringe and getting it to fruit.
"*DO NOT: use the larger course sized verm. It worked fine for me, but I think the cakes stay moister if you use finer grained verm."
I have only grown with fine because thats the only size available to me and it works, but coarse grain is better because it gives a better texture for the mycelium to travel and gives air to the substrate
"*DO: use 4 inoculation points. I used two, and for the most part they worked out. About 4 of 12 cakes stalled and did not colonize the entire substrate. I'm sure if I would have used 4 inoc points, they would have colonized faster and perhaps not have stalled. PS - use 4 especially if you've got some old spores."
True, 4 innocs are better than 2, and it will go faster, but it isn't going to stall because not as many points. It will eventually colonize, if it stalled then you did something wrong (prob moisture?)
"*DO: Dunk and roll your cakes. Make sure to sterilize your verm (oven that stuff for 20-25 min at 325 deg) I'm thankful I did."
You dont need to sterilize your verm. Hell, even pastuerization isnt neccessary, just dump it straight from the bag and roll it, what I did and worked fine.
I'm dead fucking tired of all the "experts" on here slandering each other. Many times people that are new to this get hit hard and it's a load of shit half the time there is only debate for or against their claim.
My techniques were the same with all jars. One strain (new spores) was used on half of the jars. One strain (5 month old spores) was used on the other half. All im saying is most the old spore inoculations did not turn out. Mainly because of slowed (eventually...stalled) growth. Just because you read once that a dude used a 5 year old spore syringe, doesn't mean that shit has a high likelyhood of working for you. There is a lot of debate both FOR and AGAINST using an old spore syringe. I say, just ake a new freaking syringe and call it good. Why bother risking it...
Yo, and RR recommends that you bake your verm before the roll.
Throw aside your fucking egos and talk about your mycology recommendations, not "how retarded this post is".
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: m_djbliss]
#7431612 - 09/20/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"My techniques were the same with all jars. One strain (new spores) was used on half of the jars. One strain (5 month old spores) was used on the other half. All im saying is most the old spore inoculations did not turn out. Mainly because of slowed (eventually...stalled) growth."
But there are uncontrolled variables there that make it impossible to link the stalling and age of the spores. I've heard plenty of stories, but I've never let syringes sit around long enough to test it myself. Makes sense to me that newer is better.
This post is NOT retarded. It can be USEFUL and INFORMATIVE to other beginners if we make it so, by posting tips and corrections instead of calling people retards. I agree that this forum can be rough on the newbs, and thats not a good way to spread the knowledge.
Here's one to start off...instead of using a wire rack above the perlite try setting the cake on top of a jar lid. Thats how I used to do mine.
The best cake tip I can think of is if you plan on fruiting the cake (this doesn't apply to spawning) make sure you wait at least a week after full colonization before birthing. You'll get much nice flushes than you would by birthing early, because the mycelium has had time to digest the substrate.
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: simplemachine]
#7431730 - 09/20/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I spray every room with a BLEACH/WATER solution and than let air out for a couple hours...i spray up and down my body in layers naked and then with clothes on with the OUST, BLEACH/WATER Solution....I use BLEACH/WATER SOLUTION and BIG ORANGE GRIME REMOVE on all the walls I've had fine without a pressure cooker when doing PF Teks...and Roger Rabbit from what I've heard from a kick ass Mycologist not just jeetered but another dude (I forget his name) noticed numerous things wrong that RR did...its a good videotorial but hes just a 1-2 year old mycologist
I also grind my vermiculite in a blender...i got the big vermiculite ...and when i see noobs use big chunks of vermiculite and it only covers like 30% because the rest fell off...looks stupid and a waste of time and doesn't look like a casing to try to stop contams at all..
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7433311 - 09/20/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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and Roger Rabbit from what I've heard from a kick ass Mycologist not just jeetered but another dude (I forget his name) noticed numerous things wrong that RR did...its a good videotorial but hes just a 1-2 year old mycologist
Care to elaborate on what I did wrong? Try to make that sentence coherent so people can understand it. Are you saying an infant mycologist of 2 years old found mistakes in my techniques? Wtf? RR
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7433641 - 09/20/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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take that you dumbfounded1600 !!!
and RR is not a 1-2 year mycologist in this forum alone he's been 5 years and who know what he did before!
and people always say a friend of a friend told me or someone but no real names ever come up! so ut is un-reliable information!
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: m_djbliss]
#7433867 - 09/20/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by nw_shroomy (04/01/09 01:26 AM)
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7434056 - 09/20/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said: I spray every room with a BLEACH/WATER solution and than let air out for a couple hours...i spray up and down my body in layers naked and then with clothes on with the OUST, BLEACH/WATER Solution....I use BLEACH/WATER SOLUTION and BIG ORANGE GRIME REMOVE on all the walls I've had fine without a pressure cooker when doing PF Teks...and Roger Rabbit from what I've heard from a kick ass Mycologist not just jeetered but another dude (I forget his name) noticed numerous things wrong that RR did...its a good videotorial but hes just a 1-2 year old mycologist
I also grind my vermiculite in a blender...i got the big vermiculite ...and when i see noobs use big chunks of vermiculite and it only covers like 30% because the rest fell off...looks stupid and a waste of time and doesn't look like a casing to try to stop contams at all..
Are you serious about spraying your naked self with bleach water?That probably does more harm than good. Why do you grind your verm? I thought one of the points to using verm is large surface area (increase in porosity) and better casing texture (moisture retention too of course)... please, correct me if I'm wrong.
By the way...everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that RR knows his shit.
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#7434099 - 09/20/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey dumb....I would also like to know what all RR did wrong in his videos. Please elaborate! Seeing as how you must be an expert, I mean you've been a member since the beginning of August and have almost 92 posts, maybe you have a better way of doing things. How long have you been a mycologist? Curious about that one too. I wonder if all veteran mycologists spray themselves naked with bleach water???? I'm sure RR doesn't. He's only been one for 1-2 years, and that's probably an advanced mycologist technique.
I mean really dude, think before you type. I certainly am no expert and don't claim to know it all. I just started my first grow on 8/15, but thanks to a lot of people around here, especially RR, I've had great success! I must be doing things wrong too, because I followed everything in RR's dvd's. But, if i'm doing things wrong i'm gonna keep doing them because it's producing a lot of mushrooms. There are many experienced, knowledgeable, veterans around here. I'm just kinda taking up for RR because you ripped on him. He doesn't need me to, everyone knows how smart he is and seen much of his work. Well, except for maybe you. Not trying to be a prick, but it's people like you that spread misinformation around here, especially to new guys, and they don't know if it's true or not because they haven't been around that much. Pretty bold to say something like that when you've only been a member for a month and a half!
Quote... "I also grind my vermiculite in a blender...i got the big vermiculite ...and when i see noobs use big chunks of vermiculite and it only covers like 30% because the rest fell off...looks stupid and a waste of time and doesn't look like a casing to try to stop contams at all.. "
Well, I'm no expert, but you say that the verm that falls off doesn't look like a casing to stop contams. Well, I was thinking, or under the impression that the verm that is put on the cakes, is a "casing" layer for the cakes, but for moisture purposes. Also, I never the new the reason for a casing layer was to stop contams. Guess that's why i'm not a mycologist. I would ask RR to clarify, but maybe I shouldn't since he's only a 1-2 year old mycologist.
Hey RR, what do you think? By the way, I've learned so much from your dvd's. Thanks again!
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: juris1]
#7434727 - 09/20/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah! thanks RR for everything and the dvd's Rock!! I've seen them like a million times and I always found something I missed!
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Re: Beginner's PF Tek Suggestions . . . [Re: eVenom]
#7435682 - 09/21/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once I get unbanned from IRC I'll talk to the dude and ask em what he said...I cant really remember because I'm pretty fucked up right now but haha...I'll for sure ask em
I forgot what he said..its been a while...and i dunno if it was your tek but the simple PF TEK that RR went to go see that one dude in "Lets Grow Mushrooms" video...I'll find out when i get back in
I'm not trying to put you down RR or nothing of that sort...My sentences are a little fucked because I cant really type that fast and correctly ATM...I'll get back to you on it though...If I remember it was probably some things wrong in the PF Tek that you went to go see that dude in "Lets Grow Mushrooms"
Edited by dumbfounded1600 (09/21/07 09:12 AM)
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