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johnation33
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Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms?
#7430430 - 09/19/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
Just have another question--I am diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and some autism and remember reading that if you concentrate/focus/guide your mind correctly while on shrooms it can help with the problems I have with socializing and social interactions. Does anyone know how I can do this? Thanks
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#7430535 - 09/19/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well first of all, and the most important question: do you feel like there's anything to change in your behavior or is it just that you've been diagnosed with that and now you think you need a change? In other words, do you feel happy/contempt with the life that you're living right now or not?
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7430683 - 09/19/07 11:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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For real bro, dont go try to fix what aint broken if ya catch my drift, i mean , if you really think you have problems that need to be corrected you can always try , however if you feel just fine and get along fine in social situations then there is no reason you should feel the need to correct your "diagnosis"
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#7432728 - 09/20/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am supposedly on the 'autistic spectrum', I will say that shrooms let me stand outside myself and examine my behaviour/habits from a more objective (if you ever can be objective about yourself)perspective. Also the realisation of our relationship to one another as life really was profound to my narrow former worldview. Having said all that! as the others have said, monkeying around with the intention of making yourself more socially acceptable is not something I think shrooms can do for you (or anyone). Look at all the crys for help about social anxiety etc on this board alone. Do your research and be safe bud!
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: Andy21]
#7433767 - 09/20/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm a nut case according to my quack (whom i believe is nuttier than me)
Every day you wake up you choose who you are, tomorrow you don't have to be the person you were today. Shrooms can help you see yourself, they won't help you change yourself, only you can do that. You must decide who you want to be, and be it. nothing less, nothing more.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: wolfiexiii]
#7433792 - 09/20/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indeed
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#7434240 - 09/20/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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aperger's syndrome is such a pointless diagnosis.
It's really nothing, there's no classified physiological deficit. The only reason it's categorized is because it was originally labeled as a "milder" form of autism.
But they're slowly finding out, it might not even be related.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#7438389 - 09/21/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to exhibit Asperger's symptoms. For the longest time I recognized it in order to play to my strengths. I recently started to learn about taking responsibility for my perceptions, and I no longer exhibit these symptoms.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7443662 - 09/23/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asperger's syndrome is NOT a worthless diagnosis; it's a well-documented developmental disorder on the autism spectrum along with Rett's, ADD/ADHD, classic autism, and PDD. While similar to autism, there are many differences, as well, and not only in the "level of functioning". It may be true that many doctors overdiagnose it and that a lot of people self-diagnose after reading the symptoms, but that doesn't make it any less "real" for those of us whose lives are actually profoundly affected by it every single day.
As far as making positive changes using drugs, I think it's quite possible. I've found that low-dose opiates (hydrocodone/codeine) make me lose ALL self-consciousness and improve eye contact, help me focus on conversations, and prompt me to talk and actually START conversations in social situations. They drown out the external stimuli, such as loud music and background noise, so that I can just enjoy myself. I realize their addictive potential, however, and try to only use them in social situations where I know it will be loud. (I submitted a hydrocodone report to erowid recently. It's called "Transcending Asperger's Syndrome" by 'Mercury in Aries' if anyone wants to read it. It's in the 'hydrocodone' section.)
Other drugs I've found helpful include marijuana (depression, creative block), caffeine/pseudephed (chronic fatigue), and coca tea (enhance mood and energy). Mushrooms didn't produce any profound levels of thought for me, though they do for some people. I liked San Pedro much better, as it didn't make me physically ill like shrooms did in higher doses. Low dose shrooms (1-2 grams) were much more pleasant, but didn't seem to have much positive or negative effect on my Asperger's symptoms or secondary problems like anxiety, depression, OCD, etc.
The important thing is to clearly identify what, if anything, it is that you want to change or improve upon. Next, do the research on the effects of different drugs and their risk/benefit ratios, and THEN give them a try, but always in small doses at first. You may find that shrooms are your wonder drug or that they did nothing for you at all...just don't get to a point where you depend on ANY drug to make you feel "right" and don't expect massive improvements or miracles, because if there was a way to effectively treat or cure autism spectrum disorders, we'd all know about it.
Here's the link to a good autism spectrum forum that's saved to my favorites:
http://www.autism-pdd.net/forum/default.asp
Good luck and be safe!
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#13295883 - 10/05/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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johnation33 said: Hi everyone,
Just have another question--I am diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and some autism and remember reading that if you concentrate/focus/guide your mind correctly while on shrooms it can help with the problems I have with socializing and social interactions. Does anyone know how I can do this? Thanks
i feel with my past mushroom experiences that it does loosen the body and make it more controllable. it may help with your diagnosis. i think it will.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: inlakesh1]
#13296490 - 10/05/10 11:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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i look at my being diagnosed with aspergers as a gift, other areas of the brain over develop to compensate, i may be socially retarded but i have tested multiple times with well over genius iq, and despite being allegedly socially retarded i don't seem to have any problem getting along with the people i like
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: Solving Ennui]
#13304274 - 10/07/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didnt they take asperger's out of the DSM-IV. Not sure but I thought they did that...
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: weshroom]
#13304381 - 10/07/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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not to my understanding, my sister is a psych and has a copy i will check that for you later tonight
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: Solving Ennui]
#13317512 - 10/10/10 06:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am diagnosed two years ago with Asperger's Syndrome. I have only had one experience with Magic Mushrooms and it was bad. I was Gazing into a mirror for a few minutes and something clicked. I thought all of my REAL friends (who were in another room) we're talking about me because I could hear them in my head. Just saying my name and then something negative. "Jeffrey is such an idiot." or "people need to realize that Jeffrey is messed up" ect. Till this day, in my head ,they say negative stuff and other random comments. Although, I understand that these are just thoughts inside of my head. I do not have any control over them and they bring me down. I am doing much better now that I am on anti-deppressents and anti-psychotics. The thoughts are not present every day now. I have done some research and an Increase in my dopamine levels cause the thoughts to get louder and effect me more.
I was diagnosed with Aspergers 3 month's after that mushroom trip. The thoughts are still there and I'm socially awkward. But, I still plan on tripping again in a few months. I WILL FACE MY THOUGHTS. MY FEARS.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: xdefiance]
#13317720 - 10/10/10 07:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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xdefiance said: I am diagnosed two years ago with Asperger's Syndrome. I have only had one experience with Magic Mushrooms and it was bad. I was Gazing into a mirror for a few minutes and something clicked. I thought all of my REAL friends (who were in another room) we're talking about me because I could hear them in my head. Just saying my name and then something negative. "Jeffrey is such an idiot." or "people need to realize that Jeffrey is messed up" ect. Till this day, in my head ,they say negative stuff and other random comments. Although, I understand that these are just thoughts inside of my head. I do not have any control over them and they bring me down. I am doing much better now that I am on anti-deppressents and anti-psychotics. The thoughts are not present every day now. I have done some research and an Increase in my dopamine levels cause the thoughts to get louder and effect me more.
I was diagnosed with Aspergers 3 month's after that mushroom trip. The thoughts are still there and I'm socially awkward. But, I still plan on tripping again in a few months. I WILL FACE MY THOUGHTS. MY FEARS.
Wow, sorry to hear that. Have you been practicing meditation or mindfulness any since your incident? This is what I work on and it helps me greately. Detach yourself from those thoughts, try and severe the emotional connection. Those thoughts are not you. Let them enter your mind and without resistance let them flow out of your mind. Its natural for people to have thoughts come in like that, dont fall trap to letting them suck you in. My advice is to work on bieng here now, feel the present. Try slow rhythmic breathing throughout the day and just feel yourself becoming centered. In that spot where you are everything, and its nothing....but love. I know you didnt ask for my advice or anything but I just thought id share some things that have been working for me and hopefully they might hold some truth or application to yourself. Remember you are those people and there thoughts, you are making up there thoughts. So if your worried about what there thinking, then thats adding to there thinking. Because even there thinking is in your head. Let it all go. Just tap in to yourself, that love and tranquil state that is inside of you and outside of you. And if it starts to get hard to control the thoughts as they keep getting retriggered, them just say a mantra or some words in your head. Let those words be like waves in the ocean of your mind and redirect your thoughts and feelings. You find what you look for as your constantly changing and creating your reality. YOU CAN break free of those thoughts and feelings and I;m glad your doing better. Try doing some yoga, keep working out, and focusing on the present and that infinite amount of good feeling that is inside of you and you can bring out. I find that for myself when I have alot of built up energy they turn into thoughts that keep arising like that. Work on transfering that built up energy through doing things you enjoy....like drawing, playing an instrument, walking around outside,reading....and move that energy around through your body by feeling yourself let go of everything and melt into this environment. Because when you create the harmony inside yourself you find it out in the environment. You are the filter of it all. You can change your filter and with every breath just bring in all the positivity and love that is out there, and with every exhale let go of all those worries and cares. I hope some of this makes sense to you and can help. You can always PM me to talk. Lifes one strange trip and your going to move yourself right to where you need to be. We're doing it all the time even tho were not aware of it.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: weshroom]
#13319777 - 10/11/10 08:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks alot weshroom. Your post gave me the chills and its nice to know I can talk to ya when I need too.
Weshroom you're right, I must learn not to attach emotions to my thoughts. Everytime I have them I now ask " Why do I care what my friends think ".' or "thats over and done with I can't change it". It's very hard to hear my 'innervoice'. The other thoughts are too loud. Everything is in 3rd persective. Prior to the mushroom trip, I dont know if I even had an 'innervoice'. I forget completely what my conciousness( my head and thoughts) were like before the trip. I sometimes think that because I tripped, God has blessed me a concious; where I can look back at things and realize how my actions have effected others and to feel emotions. I remember as a child (5yr or 6yr) occasionally having thoughts that evaluted what I was doing or how i was acting. I recognized these thoughts as myself. my innervoice. These thoughts were only present for a week at a time, then gone for month's. I want to hear my voice in my head ... just my voice judging myself.
One thing that I think has been working for me is listing to positive affirmations. I listen to them as I fall asleep and when I wake up I'm full of confidence and have a better sense of self worth.If anyone would like to have these affirmations PM me and I will give them to you.
Also, I'll list my contact info for anyone who wants to disscuss this with me. I will value everyone's opinon and advice.
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Edited by xdefiance (10/11/10 08:55 AM)
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: xdefiance]
#13320823 - 10/11/10 01:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sent you a PM about those affirmations. And yeah, ive been reading up on metacogniton and stuff. Its pretty interesting a beneficial, you might wanna look into some of that.I just got done reading Prometheus Rising and Be Here Now. Both books are pretty interesting reads. Not all about metacognition, but interesting material none the less..
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: johnation33]
#13369977 - 10/22/10 04:40 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is something that extremely interested me. I was doing a bit of research on Bufotenin(5-HO-DMT) and it turns out that autistic individuals can naturally produce this psychedelic substance. It involves conversion of serotonin(5-HO-Tryptamine) via a form of methylation, which I cannot figure out. Nobody, except myself and others, can truly understand what it does, why its there and how it works.
Being autistic myself, mixing psilocin with my naturally produced bufotenin created possibly the most powerful experience I've ever had. Beforehand, I've been undergoing an existing bufotenin trip for 20 years. I had these spiritual responses responsive to certain sounds, images and places, and was very good at certain subjects and games. With the psilocin involved, everything opened up. I still had autistic traits, but I was able to utilise them far more effectively than before, in an extremely positive way. After the trip, I went back to how I usually saw things, using the experiences gained to aid me in life.
As far as I see it, this is the truth behind us. We're already producing this drug which seems to have different effects in different people. Our existence is one of great importance and must be defended at all costs.
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Re: Asperger's Syndrome/Autism and Shrooms? [Re: xalos]
#13418374 - 11/01/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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from what my understanding of asperger's, mdma would be a much more potentially beneficial substance to use than mushrooms. the empathy and connection with others that mdma can bring about seem to be just what someone with aspergers is missing.
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