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Using Mycelium to Trip
    #7430076 - 09/19/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

my original idea was severely flawed......

it is said one can produce usable psilocybin from just mycelium, however.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium *DELETED* [Re: HankHill]
    #7430118 - 09/19/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7430200 - 09/19/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Even if the taste of it wasn't too unbarable you'd have to step back and think, yeah, you're drinking the liquified growth off of dirt....Plus im no expert but from remembering things from my cultivation books it doesn't seem that mycelium would contain any kind of pyschoactive ingredients, I think of mycelium as little hyphae bridges used to move h20 around up until a fruit emerges.

I could be wrong, but I sure as hell wouldn't try it, especially if its moldy mycelium also.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7430218 - 09/19/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You would still be left with all of the bacterial/fungal toxins that were formed which are not degraded by heat.

(Those of which are some of the worst toxins which can lead to some pretty nasty consequences.)

Grow a bag of boomers...or get some from a friend.

Mycelium belongs in a FC or in the GROUND...not in yer' belly.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bagsofun]
    #7430226 - 09/19/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

From reading around here a bit more it seems there is ways of extracting some good stuff out of mycelium with juices and whatnot. My vote is still, don't try to consume contamed myc, any good stuff in there would probably be killed while boiling off the mold anyways


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bagsofun]
    #7430290 - 09/19/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

. I don't think it makes those good chems untill it's begun (began?) the fruit cycle. (personal guess there)


Still if you boiled it you would only have a huge extract of mainly your substrate. Either seed, or PF tek, or whatever. It's gonna be a little trip, a lot substrate tea.

Just bury it, your get more out of that than anything.

I have some old contamned spawn I mixed in some straw/hay by my front door. It is now pinning out shrooms, but there is mold too. I would have totally lost the jar if I didn't do that.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: aspore]
    #7430958 - 09/20/07 03:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wow, so much wrong info being spread in this thread..."liquified growth off of dirt"? what? and yes, mycellium does contain psychoactive chemicals

"Still if you boiled it you would only have a huge extract of mainly your substrate. Either seed, or PF tek, or whatever. It's gonna be a little trip, a lot substrate tea." ummmm. what? it won't extract much of anything from the substrate as there is not much to extract but nutrients...which is not not like extracting psilocybin/psilocin or any other drug

bottom line though, don't boil a contam'd jar in hopes of making trippy tea.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7431075 - 09/20/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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So,
alcohol and heat kill bacteria, kill mold, no?

People will sometimes trip off their mycelium by boiling it, right?

So what if you took a conatiminaed jar and instead of throwing it out, you boiled it all clean, then drank it?

Or dissolved it into alcohol and drank it? This would kill all problematic things right ?

Wrong? Would there be any psilocybin in it?




Very little psilocybin would be in the jar. Vegetative mycelium has a really low active count, which would be further decreased by boiling. On top of that, you have the element of danger. Boiling something isn't necessarily a guarantee that it becomes safe, especially if it's thoroughly bacterial/moldy, as contam jars would be; even if you kill off the contaminating organism, the toxins it produces will still be there.

In other words: Don't be so f'ing desperate. Try again.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7431118 - 09/20/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A quick related question to this topic. If you would have a contaminated jar. Could you not try to fruit it in hopes of getting at least one mushroom which you could use to get a spore print? Or will this spore print just hold the same contamination and spread it to the next batch?


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bmy]
    #7431340 - 09/20/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i tried making some tea from a cake just to prove it wronge, it tasted rank, was almost sick, and didnt trip at all. From what i have read that a maturer myc that has fruited a few times may contain a higher level of actives but a cake that hant mature contains hardly anything at all.

If u have a contaminated cake its safer to just pc then toss, opening the jar and fruiting would lead to spreading that contam.

Also its possible that the myc will oborb something nasty from the contaim which will be passed to the shroom.

What contam have u got??

it would be very possible for the spore rint to be contaminated.

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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7431399 - 09/20/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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wow, so much wrong info being spread in this thread..."liquified growth off of dirt"? what? and yes, mycellium does contain psychoactive chemicals




I wasn't trying to sound smart here man I was simply making a point that personally I don't think it's worth it. Plus people don't have to take to heart what I tell them, especially when I clearly label it as an opinion.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bmy]
    #7431402 - 09/20/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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A quick related question to this topic. If you would have a contaminated jar. Could you not try to fruit it in hopes of getting at least one mushroom which you could use to get a spore print? Or will this spore print just hold the same contamination and spread it to the next batch?




You could fruit it and try to get a core sample from one of the mushrooms, or less preferably from the healthy portion of the cake. I'd say that's a better bet, though it's still not a really good one. If your contam is mold, your spores are going to contain mold spores too--if your contam is bacterial, they're going to travel from the cap itself onto the print, etc

Another option: Take a spore print from a cap, use it to make an LC, and add peroxide to the LC. Again, not a sure bet, but I've cleaned up LCs very effectively with a little peroxide--not only does it kill off the bacteria, once the mycelium catalyzes it down it adds oxygen to the solution, which is good for growth (it can do the same for goldfish, according to one study!). If you have any mold on the print, though, it's going to germinate in the LC and survive the peroxide, so this is only an option with a purely bacterial contamination. If you have trouble IDing your contam, feel free to post pics of the jar or ask more about it. If it's just a permanently-stalled jar, it's usually bacterial. You can clean these up and fruit them pretty well. I won't say there's no theoretical risk, but I have never had a digestive problem other than that normally associated with cubes--I do rinse my fruits after picking from suspect cakes, though.


I take it from your questions that you're out of spores, then? If this is the case, I'd still order some more, if you can afford it. That way you can experiment with what you have while you wait. Definitely do not eat the spoiled cake, though--I don't think you could even gag it down, if it's contaminated.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7431541 - 09/20/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I had 1 mycobag that had green mold, and I buried it outside in a compost pile instead of throwing it away. Within the first week I had 1 big fat shroom and was happy with that considering I thought I'd get nothing. The next time it rained I actually got a big flush that if I remember correctly was over 140 grams.

If you can put-aside the immediate satisfaction and think long-term, you may be able to still grow a lot of shrooms out of that cake. Search for "outside grow" and im sure my grow log as well as many others will explain it.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bagsofun]
    #7431556 - 09/20/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good advice. If you're trying to get spores from an outside grow though, be sure to learn agar techniques. (Same goes for contaminated indoor grows, now that I think about it.)


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7431561 - 09/20/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I take it from your questions that you're out of spores, then? If this is the case, I'd still order some more, if you can afford it. That way you can experiment with what you have while you wait. Definitely do not eat the spoiled cake, though--I don't think you could even gag it down, if it's contaminated.




I colonized the jars two days ago, so neither contaminations nor mycelium has shown up yet. I just wondered for preemptive causes :smile:
I might have  killed my backup spores. I'll just wait a couple of days more and see what happens and in worst case I guess I'll have to buy some more spores.

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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bmy]
    #7431566 - 09/20/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hard to kill spores, like I said in that thread if it's the one I'm thinking. Good to know you haven't screwed anything up yet! Best of luck. :smile:


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7431703 - 09/20/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

okay so i have soaked cakes, birdseed jars, and previously fruited substrates in 100% pure cranberry juice NOT from concentrate, on several occasions and it has always worked, i just crush up a bunch of vitamin c and put it in the juice first, then soak the substrate for 6-8 hours, strain an drink the juice....it tastes like vomit but me and my friends tripp harder off of a soaked 1 pint pf cake than an 1/8 of dried amazonian fruitbodies. as for boiling...heat kills psilocybin thats why you cant smoke it, and boiling it would just fuck it up.

i promise you 100% cranberry juice not from concentrate mixed with alot of crushed up vitamin c it works every time....but dont use a contaminated jar please...thats just asking for trouble


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: fetalscab]
    #7432654 - 09/20/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well i am not going to try it but i was wondering all the same

thanks for all the replies

i don't know what is up with my jars from LC

i made a thread about it but only got one user to help me, and he said i should let them be

what it is is that i have made a pretty good LC, and yes i still have spores, quite a few of them....

and the LC is pretty white and looks good to me.....

and when i shoot up a jar it grows nice white mycelium, but then things start turning yellow or green, not completely, just some of it

the white keeps growing

i took a picture but my phone doesn't send picture text messages and i can't find my cable so i don't know how to post it, i wish i had a way

now i have like 6 jars from straight spores that have taken forever and i just flipped them all upside-down two days ago, they are healthy though my BRF wasn't necessarily mixed right and they look kind of funky but it's all good mycelium as far as i know

and they seem to be growing more now that i flipped them

but i really REALLY want to grow from liquid culture because the jars i shot up (and i shot them up with up to a 1/4 or 1/2 of a syringe full of LC) grow mega mega fast, i shot a single jar up with spores a week or two ago and its just now really doing things, yet the lc in 4 days or so really just takes off

but i don't know why my lc would get contaminated, i boil the honey/water thoroughly (no PC) and clean the glove box, clean the needle

i didn't know about h202 though, if i take h202 and right now shoot up my LC jar will it kill anything in the myc that could be contaminated?

is it green mold? is it just all the honey turning the substrate yellow? there's not a lot of it in comparison to the white mycelium

can mycelium fight off and kill mold?

can i shoot the jars themselves up with h202 to kill it if its mold?

i'm going to grow this one until i'm sure its a waste or if its good

in the mean time i need to learn how to make a healthy lc becuase this is so much superior to spores

and just hope and hope my cakes go well and PIN already!

any help is so much appreciated. i'm going to rummage and see if my old digital camera can be hooked up somehow with any spare cables i have lying around .


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7432912 - 09/20/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

here are the pictures started in a new thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7432904/an/0/page/0
i got my camera phone to work, but they are low quality.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: fetalscab]
    #7432962 - 09/20/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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okay so i have soaked cakes, birdseed jars, and previously fruited substrates in 100% pure cranberry juice NOT from concentrate, on several occasions and it has always worked, i just crush up a bunch of vitamin c and put it in the juice first, then soak the substrate for 6-8 hours, strain an drink the juice....it tastes like vomit but me and my friends tripp harder off of a soaked 1 pint pf cake than an 1/8 of dried amazonian fruitbodies.




Yeah, because it was in liquid form. More intense, less duration. Time it next time. You can do that with fruit bodies too, and plenty of people do. A pint of some substrates can make up to a half ounce of shrooms in one flush. Why would you trade a half ounce of shrooms for one piddly trip? Laziness?

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as for boiling...heat kills psilocybin thats why you cant smoke it, and boiling it would just fuck it up.




Ah yeah, I guess that's why people don't ever make shroom tea and trip balls off of it. Heat degrades the actives, yeah, but it's a slower process than hearsay would have us think. Try it yourself and find out.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7432983 - 09/20/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hank:

That is a long and painfully-formatted post, so I'm going to respond to the random lines that leap out at me.

If you have green in your jars, you have mold. Dump them. Peroxide doesn't kill the kinds of molds we fight with, it only kills spores and bacteria.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7432986 - 09/20/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess that's why people don't ever make shroom tea and trip balls off of it. Heat degrades the actives, yeah, but it's a slower process than hearsay would have us think.




i agree.

to my understanding its prolonged exposure to heat thats breaks down the actives over a period of time....


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #7433107 - 09/20/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

why would Dr_T instruct me to leave them alone, then ?

i could most definitely use some instruction on how to make a proper liquic culture,

i have just shot up a reishi culture and am waiting to see it it goes okay

i will shoot up a b+ culture in a few days i guess and see how that goes, but i don't think the problem would be in the spores themselves, but in the preparation.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7434271 - 09/20/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

laziness? no
its not laziness when you have a shit ton of wbs jars and the whole purpose of me growing the cakes is have shit to trip off of while i am waiting for my monotubs to fruit... it is called thinking ahead, and why degrade your shit by boiling it when alcohol or cranberry juice works better?


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7434418 - 09/20/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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and when i shoot up a jar it grows nice white mycelium, but then things start turning yellow or green, not completely, just some of it




So its probably the substrate, the inoculation procedure, or the LC carrying the mold spores.

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and when i shoot up a jar it grows nice white mycelium, but then things start turning yellow or green, not completely, just some of it




Thats not quite good enough. You don't want to try to fruit contammed cakes in your growing area. Toss the contents, wash the jars, and start again.

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now i have like 6 jars from straight spores that have taken forever and i just flipped them all upside-down two days ago, they are healthy though my BRF wasn't necessarily mixed right and they look kind of funky but it's all good mycelium as far as i know




I would see that as more evidence that your LC is the vector by which you jars are getting contams.

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i didn't know about h202 though, if i take h202 and right now shoot up my LC jar will it kill anything in the myc that could be contaminated?




No.

LC can be be a real pain in the arse...it contams easy and there is really no way to tell a contammed LC from a healthy one other than using it to shoot up a test jar.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7434428 - 09/20/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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alcohol and heat kill bacteria, kill mold, no?

People will sometimes trip off their mycelium by boiling it, right?

So what if you took a conatiminaed jar and instead of throwing it out, you boiled it all clean, then drank it?

Or dissolved it into alcohol and drank it? This would kill all problematic things right ?

Wrong? Would there be any psilocybin in it?




This is by far one of the most retarded threads I've read on the Shroomery. You should do the entire community a favor and delete this before a retarded noob, much like yourself, actually tries to do this.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7435136 - 09/21/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, he ate cakes with verm in them and everything? Sounds like a guy that would inject rubbing alcohol into his bloodstream if thats all he had to get high.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: BaloneyNight]
    #7435492 - 09/21/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have ate a good bit of some fully colonized rye before. It didn't taste bad actually. didn't trip though. The mycelium has to be a the latter stage of growth, fruiting mode.

Also you can easily make tea from mushrooms. I do it everytime, quick and makes you trip in like 10 mins. It's great.

Also, if you want to eat mycelium, make sure it's at that stage, or your going to drink some funky damn tea for no reason.

Don't eat mold though. That's just damned stupid. Would you eat bread you cut mold off of?

And do NOT BOIL ALCOHOL.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: aspore]
    #7435621 - 09/21/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"That stage" seems to be a fleeting thing you're not real sure of, from the sound of things. :smile:

The only way to know if your fully-colonized mycelium has enough actives in it is to see whether it bruises well. And it still only takes an extra few days to fruit it from that point, so I don't see what the hell the point is. If this were H or something I could see people saying, "OH MAN CAN'T WAIT", but we're talking about shrooms here. I guess I've been desperate to trip before, but after doing so I am usually thinking, "What the fuck was my hurry?"


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7435885 - 09/21/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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HankHill said:
So,
alcohol and heat kill bacteria, kill mold, no?

People will sometimes trip off their mycelium by boiling it, right?

So what if you took a conatiminaed jar and instead of throwing it out, you boiled it all clean, then drank it?

Or dissolved it into alcohol and drank it? This would kill all problematic things right ?

Wrong? Would there be any psilocybin in it?




This is by far one of the most retarded threads I've read on the Shroomery. You should do the entire community a favor and delete this before a retarded noob, much like yourself, actually tries to do this.




right i am worried that someone would read this and try it, that was a concern while i posted

however there is a flourishing discussion on using mycelium to trip and there is nothing wrong with this.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
    #7435913 - 09/21/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

PM Roger Rabbit, he'll come down with the Iron Fist on the topic.
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bagsofun]
    #7436217 - 09/21/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hey as far as putting contaminated spawn into compost or burying it somewhere, are the mushrooms that would come out of there OK to eat? is it ok to assume the contams in the spawn aren't affecting the shrooms since they fruited? or will the mushrooms consolidate the contams and make u sick?


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: Pledge2Educate]
    #7436261 - 09/21/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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PM Roger Rabbit, he'll come down with the Iron Fist on the topic.
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you mean for deletion, or for advice ?

i am interested in converting mycelium to psilocybin and didn't reason through that the toxins in mold would still be there even when the mold is killed, or that there are toxins IN mold itself which

should be obvious

there is a tek here in the giant archive about mass producing psilocybin by just growing cakes, though i haven't read it, it is curious, especially because one can make TONS of mycelium in 4 or 5 days just by doing liquid cultures but, these things are so shady (at least for me) to know if they are contaminated or not.


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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: BaloneyNight]
    #7436279 - 09/21/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow, he ate cakes with verm in them and everything? Sounds like a guy that would inject rubbing alcohol into his bloodstream if thats all he had to get high.




I read that trip report (or one like it) the other day. Apparently he had no verm in the cakes themselves. Ingested in smoothie form

I propagated p. cubensis using a commerical spore syringe to inoculate a starting culture on a pressure-cooked grain/nutrient (a commerical orchid propagation nutrient additive)/malt/vermiculite mixture. Spread to pressure-cooked sealed containers of brown rice - 1/4 cup rice to 1/4 cup water - in a home-made glove box

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When fruiting had ceased I decided to experiment with ingesting the mycelium-innocculated rice cakes from the cleanest cultures. Contamination with wild fungi is the devil of mushroom cultivation, but once cubensis mycelium take hold they tend to dominate - so while the containers had been opened frequently for harvest they were clean to visual inspection. This is, however, a judgement call. The cakes had been active for over a month so the contents were far from 'fresh.' I used simple visual/olfactory inspection to decide they were 'fit to eat.'

I also, on the basis of mild and dissapointing experiences eating mycelium with prior experiments that had failed to fruit, elected to eat about four times the dose recommended in mushroom books I had. In retrospect, the potency of the mycelium was no doubt profoundly increased by the full maturity of the specimens.


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