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figgusfiddus
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7432983 - 09/20/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hank:
That is a long and painfully-formatted post, so I'm going to respond to the random lines that leap out at me.
If you have green in your jars, you have mold. Dump them. Peroxide doesn't kill the kinds of molds we fight with, it only kills spores and bacteria.
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CosmicFunGuy
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7432986 - 09/20/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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figgusfiddus said:
I guess that's why people don't ever make shroom tea and trip balls off of it. Heat degrades the actives, yeah, but it's a slower process than hearsay would have us think.
i agree.
to my understanding its prolonged exposure to heat thats breaks down the actives over a period of time....
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HankHill
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#7433107 - 09/20/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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why would Dr_T instruct me to leave them alone, then ?
i could most definitely use some instruction on how to make a proper liquic culture,
i have just shot up a reishi culture and am waiting to see it it goes okay
i will shoot up a b+ culture in a few days i guess and see how that goes, but i don't think the problem would be in the spores themselves, but in the preparation.
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
#7434271 - 09/20/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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laziness? no its not laziness when you have a shit ton of wbs jars and the whole purpose of me growing the cakes is have shit to trip off of while i am waiting for my monotubs to fruit... it is called thinking ahead, and why degrade your shit by boiling it when alcohol or cranberry juice works better?
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
#7434418 - 09/20/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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and when i shoot up a jar it grows nice white mycelium, but then things start turning yellow or green, not completely, just some of it
So its probably the substrate, the inoculation procedure, or the LC carrying the mold spores.
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and when i shoot up a jar it grows nice white mycelium, but then things start turning yellow or green, not completely, just some of it
Thats not quite good enough. You don't want to try to fruit contammed cakes in your growing area. Toss the contents, wash the jars, and start again.
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now i have like 6 jars from straight spores that have taken forever and i just flipped them all upside-down two days ago, they are healthy though my BRF wasn't necessarily mixed right and they look kind of funky but it's all good mycelium as far as i know
I would see that as more evidence that your LC is the vector by which you jars are getting contams.
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i didn't know about h202 though, if i take h202 and right now shoot up my LC jar will it kill anything in the myc that could be contaminated?
No.
LC can be be a real pain in the arse...it contams easy and there is really no way to tell a contammed LC from a healthy one other than using it to shoot up a test jar.
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Pledge2Educate
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
#7434428 - 09/20/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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HankHill said: So, alcohol and heat kill bacteria, kill mold, no?
People will sometimes trip off their mycelium by boiling it, right?
So what if you took a conatiminaed jar and instead of throwing it out, you boiled it all clean, then drank it?
Or dissolved it into alcohol and drank it? This would kill all problematic things right ?
Wrong? Would there be any psilocybin in it?
This is by far one of the most retarded threads I've read on the Shroomery. You should do the entire community a favor and delete this before a retarded noob, much like yourself, actually tries to do this.
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acommunistspy
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium *DELETED* [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7434620 - 09/20/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BaloneyNight
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: acommunistspy]
#7435136 - 09/21/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, he ate cakes with verm in them and everything? Sounds like a guy that would inject rubbing alcohol into his bloodstream if thats all he had to get high.
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aspore
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: BaloneyNight]
#7435492 - 09/21/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have ate a good bit of some fully colonized rye before. It didn't taste bad actually. didn't trip though. The mycelium has to be a the latter stage of growth, fruiting mode.
Also you can easily make tea from mushrooms. I do it everytime, quick and makes you trip in like 10 mins. It's great.
Also, if you want to eat mycelium, make sure it's at that stage, or your going to drink some funky damn tea for no reason.
Don't eat mold though. That's just damned stupid. Would you eat bread you cut mold off of?
And do NOT BOIL ALCOHOL.
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: aspore]
#7435621 - 09/21/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"That stage" seems to be a fleeting thing you're not real sure of, from the sound of things. 
The only way to know if your fully-colonized mycelium has enough actives in it is to see whether it bruises well. And it still only takes an extra few days to fruit it from that point, so I don't see what the hell the point is. If this were H or something I could see people saying, "OH MAN CAN'T WAIT", but we're talking about shrooms here. I guess I've been desperate to trip before, but after doing so I am usually thinking, "What the fuck was my hurry?"
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HankHill
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Quote:
Pledge2Educate said:
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HankHill said: So, alcohol and heat kill bacteria, kill mold, no?
People will sometimes trip off their mycelium by boiling it, right?
So what if you took a conatiminaed jar and instead of throwing it out, you boiled it all clean, then drank it?
Or dissolved it into alcohol and drank it? This would kill all problematic things right ?
Wrong? Would there be any psilocybin in it?
This is by far one of the most retarded threads I've read on the Shroomery. You should do the entire community a favor and delete this before a retarded noob, much like yourself, actually tries to do this.
right i am worried that someone would read this and try it, that was a concern while i posted
however there is a flourishing discussion on using mycelium to trip and there is nothing wrong with this.
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Pledge2Educate
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: HankHill]
#7435913 - 09/21/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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PM Roger Rabbit, he'll come down with the Iron Fist on the topic. Guys a fucking Mush God.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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fungusfun1
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: bagsofun]
#7436217 - 09/21/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey as far as putting contaminated spawn into compost or burying it somewhere, are the mushrooms that would come out of there OK to eat? is it ok to assume the contams in the spawn aren't affecting the shrooms since they fruited? or will the mushrooms consolidate the contams and make u sick?
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HankHill
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Pledge2Educate said: PM Roger Rabbit, he'll come down with the Iron Fist on the topic. Guys a fucking Mush God.
you mean for deletion, or for advice ?
i am interested in converting mycelium to psilocybin and didn't reason through that the toxins in mold would still be there even when the mold is killed, or that there are toxins IN mold itself which
should be obvious
there is a tek here in the giant archive about mass producing psilocybin by just growing cakes, though i haven't read it, it is curious, especially because one can make TONS of mycelium in 4 or 5 days just by doing liquid cultures but, these things are so shady (at least for me) to know if they are contaminated or not.
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veilbreaker
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Re: Eating Contaminated Mycelium [Re: BaloneyNight]
#7436279 - 09/21/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BaloneyNight said: Wow, he ate cakes with verm in them and everything? Sounds like a guy that would inject rubbing alcohol into his bloodstream if thats all he had to get high.
I read that trip report (or one like it) the other day. Apparently he had no verm in the cakes themselves. Ingested in smoothie form
I propagated p. cubensis using a commerical spore syringe to inoculate a starting culture on a pressure-cooked grain/nutrient (a commerical orchid propagation nutrient additive)/malt/vermiculite mixture. Spread to pressure-cooked sealed containers of brown rice - 1/4 cup rice to 1/4 cup water - in a home-made glove box
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When fruiting had ceased I decided to experiment with ingesting the mycelium-innocculated rice cakes from the cleanest cultures. Contamination with wild fungi is the devil of mushroom cultivation, but once cubensis mycelium take hold they tend to dominate - so while the containers had been opened frequently for harvest they were clean to visual inspection. This is, however, a judgement call. The cakes had been active for over a month so the contents were far from 'fresh.' I used simple visual/olfactory inspection to decide they were 'fit to eat.'
I also, on the basis of mild and dissapointing experiences eating mycelium with prior experiments that had failed to fruit, elected to eat about four times the dose recommended in mushroom books I had. In retrospect, the potency of the mycelium was no doubt profoundly increased by the full maturity of the specimens.
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Edited by veilbreaker (09/21/07 11:55 AM)
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