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Blind people + hallucinogens
    #7429431 - 09/19/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is something that's been killing me for many weeks now. Would someone who's blind and under the influence of psychedelics have um... visuals? Like CEV's? I mean there's no way we can know, but theoretically, do you think it would be possible, or do you know someone who's blind and tripped (pun unintended)? Because, since there's so many reports of color blind persons seeing colors while tripping, I think that one could indeed "see" when blind when tripping.

What do you think?


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: ROX]
    #7429441 - 09/19/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I am pretty sure they would have CEVs.
From what i have experienced/understand, CEVs dont really have to do anything with having eyes as much as they do not having that sense to bother you. Thats why isolation tanks make trips really intense. Our senses keep us in reality. etc etc...


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: ROX]
    #7429444 - 09/19/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've always wondered about that too. If a person was born blind and has never seen anything but black their whole life, would they have any closed eye visuals or would they see any colors?


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: RobMarley420]
    #7429463 - 09/19/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i have always though about this. i've decided on dosing the first blind person i run into, man woman or child. :eek:


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: opensaysme]
    #7429506 - 09/19/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Now that's a good question.
I guess people who were born bling wouldn't see much,
but as for those who became blind by accident, I bet they can see patterns and colors.

We should ask.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: SmellyMushroom]
    #7429542 - 09/19/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

In neuroscience, there's a principle: use it or lose it. It'd be interesting to discover what the effects of hallucinogens are on individuals who have not developed any visual cortex at all. Problem is though, how could the individual convey what they are experiencing if they have no frame of reference... far out.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Keff]
    #7429858 - 09/19/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ya id say they do see stuff
also do u think when u see colors u have never seen be4
is it because our pupils are so dilated that our visible spectrum is increased
or is it all in our minds and those colors are normal for the human eye


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Keff]
    #7429874 - 09/19/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, it'd be so weird... they would have no words to express what they were experiencing, and even if you were standing right next to them, it's not like you could say "See how it's different from what you usually see? Those are colors!" because

1. The word see has no real meaning to them
2. They would have no way to distinguish color from shapes, texture, etc.
3. You have no way of knowing if they're seeing colors in the first place.


It just goes to show just how much our senses shape our reality. Very heavy stuff


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: ROX]
    #7429881 - 09/19/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, when you dream.. are you watching the dream play out on the back of your eyelids?

Im sure theyve got to have some sort of hallucinations, wouldnt be anywhere near the same as ours though.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Acyl]
    #7429885 - 09/19/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I remember reading somewhere an article about this. It was pretty interesting... What would be really interesting is what would happen if you gave a blind person a high dose of DMT?


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Coaster]
    #7429888 - 09/19/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
ya id say they do see stuff
also do u think when u see colors u have never seen be4
is it because our pupils are so dilated that our visible spectrum is increased
or is it all in our minds and those colors are normal for the human eye




Of course I have no real knowledge on the subject, but I'd be willing to say that if someone says they saw a color they've never seen before it was either just in his mind and that it was a normal color, but so bright and vivid and lively that he thinks he's never seen it... Oooor that person is not seeing a color at all, but something else. What it might be, I don't know. Perhaps a result of synesthaesia (sp?) or perhaps something completely out of this world


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7429950 - 09/19/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It sucks because no blind person who has tripped is going to be able to post here:tongue:


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: ROX]
    #7429955 - 09/19/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It would also be interesting to know (and maybe we can even find out here at the Shroomery) if deaf people "hear" a "tone" when smoking DMT.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Taharka]
    #7429969 - 09/19/07 08:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How come there were never any tests done with hallucinogens and blind and/or deaf people?


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7429981 - 09/19/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My mom has been blind for most of her life but not all. I can say don't waste your time wondering about any but the born blind as, at over 30 years of blindness, she can still remember and relate to seeing. Even growing up with a blind person I can't begin to comprehend what it must be like to have been born blind. I know other senses are heightened in attempt to overcome that disability so they must sense something in the place of sight that we can't comprehend. I too have often wondered what replaces the visuals in their trips. Maybe just more mind fuck? I dunno. Visuals are the lesser important part of my trips anyway.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7429997 - 09/19/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

It sucks because no blind person who has tripped is going to be able to post here






Sure they can. Download a demo of JAWS screen reader. My mom uses her computer daily.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7430011 - 09/19/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure somewhere, sometime, someone has done a study on born blinds hallucinating. Never looked into it before though I've thought of it. I will though.


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7430130 - 09/19/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have known a blind man who said he saw colors when he was on shrooms.

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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7430212 - 09/19/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Was he blind from birth or did he become blind sometime in his life?


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Re: Blind people + hallucinogens [Re: ROX]
    #7430271 - 09/19/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

people that go blind, when they take tussin they get bombarded with colors colors that that cant see since they lost their vision


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