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OK, THOUGHTS
#7429053 - 09/19/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pot, a gift, for use of endulging once in awhile and a nice past time, or is regular pot use a distraction put here to take us away from achieving life goals.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7429174 - 09/19/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depends on the person. I mean, stereotypical stoner watching TV on the couch doing nothing and Bob Marley. And Bob Marley probably smoked more. :P
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: WScott]
#7429515 - 09/19/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea, well true, but, how many bob marleys are there, u knw? yea i guess it kind of depends on the person
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7431035 - 09/20/07 04:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I asked the I Ching about my Cannabis use during meditation, and the reading had the words "Parasitic Magical Plant" and basically told me to quit.
I have been learning to Lucid Dream for 5 years, and finally quit smoking cannabis 2 months ago. I've made more progress with Lucidity in the past two months than in the past 5 years.
Some people say they still remember their dreams even when stoned. I never did, so it could just be me.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7431041 - 09/20/07 04:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think pot should be a once in a while indulgence. After smoking pot for 3 years I came to realize I was using pot to escape everyday life, self-medicating. It's an intoxicant, it clouds the mind. It starts off as a psychedelic and can teach you some great things, but I realize now how long I was still smoking it without even getting high, just doing it to keep that comfortable haze in my mind.
If you are going to look at it from a theological kind of viewpoint - is it here to test you - yes, I think it is - it's not like an evil thing, I guess I just believe that this life has some kind of higher purpose and that each of us are being tested in different ways. I've never read the Bible either, just acid. The way you react to this post could be part of the test.
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Gee y'all, Do you think sugar could be classified as a "Parasitic Magical Plant" ?
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7431190 - 09/20/07 05:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Absolutely, actually. I'm trying to quit refined sugars too, now that's a bitch...
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Middleman]
#7431207 - 09/20/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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While you're at it you may consider wearing homespun.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7431435 - 09/20/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno, usually when I get stoned I think about my problems and it offers me a different viewpoint. Also it's a great social enhancement tool and a good way to bond between friends.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7431501 - 09/20/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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searchalx said: Pot, a gift, for use of endulging once in awhile and a nice past time, or is regular pot use a distraction put here to take us away from achieving life goals.
Nothing should be regular...
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Gomp]
#7431560 - 09/20/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I smoke all day everyday, and i live in a haze. I enjoy the frame of mind weed puts me in, keeps me on my toes. Ive been thinking about quitting for a while, but have yet to do it. I dont mind having my brain be cloudy all the time, the only thing that bothers me is that im not sure what health effects it could be having.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7431636 - 09/20/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pot should be used when someone is happy, and since no one is always happy, everybody has some downtime once in a while, so I don't think it is good to use it always...
It is good to "air" our minds once in a while...
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Bard]
#7431732 - 09/20/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weed makes me think way more in depth, so i figure if im always high then my awareness is constantly at a higher level. I think it helps me tap into that knowledge space.
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yea, life with weed is definitely great, i mean, when i used to be high all day, like with hash too, and such, man i built up such a big tolerance, id just smoke to get normal, you knw? but now im getting back into smoking, after a month off, and it seems like its really nice, cuz i was really unhappy with that month off, and all of a sudden it makes me happy, i think one of the wonders of pot, is how when your high in public, you can see how fake and stupid serious people are, i love it
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7432914 - 09/20/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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searchalx said: Pot, a gift, for use of endulging once in awhile and a nice past time, or is regular pot use a distraction put here to take us away from achieving life goals.
Pot isn't put here to do anything to us. We do it and yes regular use is a cop out and addiction IMO.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Middleman]
#7432987 - 09/20/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Middleman said: I asked the I Ching about my Cannabis use during meditation, and the reading had the words "Parasitic Magical Plant" and basically told me to quit.
I have been learning to Lucid Dream for 5 years, and finally quit smoking cannabis 2 months ago. I've made more progress with Lucidity in the past two months than in the past 5 years.
Some people say they still remember their dreams even when stoned. I never did, so it could just be me.
No, I have a lot of trouble dreaming/recalling my dreams if I have been smoking marijuana a lot. And upon taking atleast a 5-7 day break they (my dreams) start to come back.
Also, could you explain the I Ching thing? Maybe in PM, but I find it pretty interesting that you got that result. What is it all about?
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: WScott]
#7433084 - 09/20/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah it's just for that lack of dream recall alone that i quit really.
dreaming is such an important part of a magical / meditative practice, anything that prevents you from becoming lucid / remembering your dreams isn't good.
do a search for the I Ching thread by Wiccan Seeker, PM me if you have any questions...
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Middleman]
#7433145 - 09/20/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Middleman said: yeah it's just for that lack of dream recall alone that i quit really.
dreaming is such an important part of a magical / meditative practice, anything that prevents you from becoming lucid / remembering your dreams isn't good.
do a search for the I Ching thread by Wiccan Seeker, PM me if you have any questions...
Yea man I agree. Whenever I quit smoking pot for a while (because I see my friends and myself smoking pot like they'd drink beer.. just something to take reality away for a little while) I start thinking about, say, how a lot of Bob Marley's songs are about uplifting things and I'm thinking.. if he can keep his act together with all that THC in his blood, why can't I? Juvenile, I know.. but pot is tempting.
Also, I find that I read and play guitar more (and the dreams) if I have abstained from marijuana for a while. Coincidence? Placebo effect ? I duno.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: WScott]
#7433173 - 09/20/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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right on. Marley was a visionary, but we shouldn't need any sacrament outside of self, imo. at least not daily...
speaking of placebo, for the first couple weeks when i quit, i would smoke an invisible joint (sad i know) but i was surprised by how high i became just from the breathing patterns of puffing.
pfffftttttffftfftftftftt... hold it in man... 
i haven't gone more than a month sober for 15 years, and i quit cigs too, i feel awesome.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Icelander]
#7434584 - 09/20/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: regular use is a cop out and addiction IMO.
As much as TV or wearing shoes?
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7434639 - 09/20/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha, good one
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: searchalx]
#7434742 - 09/20/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wearing shoes alleviates suffering; Tv also. I think marijuana relieves suffering.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7434825 - 09/20/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the alleviation of suffering one may say that wearing shoes increases production. That is something that can not be said of TV. Therefore TV is a worse addiction than either marijuana or shoes.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7434843 - 09/20/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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One may retort that 'Fear' increases production more than marijuana or shoes, but an experienced man will agree I think, that shoes are more practical than 'Fear'.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7435168 - 09/21/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who said TV was good? I think most people here would agree that TV is detrimental to your health.
Shoes on the other hand don't really have the potential for escapism (especially high heels lulz pun) or unwanted mental effects. If you can't see how pot can be used as self medication to hide problems in life like boredom and apathy, I don't know what to tell you.
I have nothing against people who smoke pot, but it's silly to say smoking pot is the same as wearing shoes. I would have had the same attitude as Booby 2 years ago though so I know where he's coming from.
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difficulties arise when the plant is looked upon as a commodity, IMO,
a consumer item, to be used by a consumer culture..
in this frame of mind the drug is merely an intoxicant, rather than a tool to be used for mind expansion, learning, and self-development.
the rest sort of happens with time.. use becomes regular, routine, a habit, a dependency, and in worst cases even an addiction.
this applies to many other consciousness-altering devices: television use plays out in the exact same fashion if a person's interaction with it becomes fixed and regular.
with these things it's very important to maintain spontaneity (as paradoxical as that may sound), as well as to have a clear goal or motivation behind your decision.
what do you wish to achieve after you hit that bong?
are you going to enhance your creativity and work on your piece of art?
loosen your mind(ing) and sit down quietly in meditation?
sharpen your concentration and do some heart healing, body work, yoga, metaprogramming?
ask yourself if the reason you have to smoke this plant lies on your path towards self-realization and growth?
pot is a tool.
if you have something you can use this tool on, then yes, use it!
but if there is nothing, then just simply put the tool down.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7437315 - 09/21/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Booby said:
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Icelander said: regular use is a cop out and addiction IMO.
As much as TV or wearing shoes?
I agree. I haven't watched TV in years and I don't wear shoes everyday by any means, especially in summer.
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AlteredAgain said: difficulties arise when the plant is looked upon as a commodity, IMO,
a consumer item, to be used by a consumer culture..
in this frame of mind the drug is merely an intoxicant, rather than a tool to be used for mind expansion, learning, and self-development.
the rest sort of happens with time.. use becomes regular, routine, a habit, a dependency, and in worst cases even an addiction.
this applies to many other consciousness-altering devices: television use plays out in the exact same fashion if a person's interaction with it becomes fixed and regular.
with these things it's very important to maintain spontaneity (as paradoxical as that may sound), as well as to have a clear goal or motivation behind your decision.
what do you wish to achieve after you hit that bong?
are you going to enhance your creativity and work on your piece of art?
loosen your mind(ing) and sit down quietly in meditation?
sharpen your concentration and do some heart healing, body work, yoga, metaprogramming?
ask yourself if the reason you have to smoke this plant lies on your path towards self-realization and growth?
pot is a tool.
if you have something you can use this tool on, then yes, use it!
but if there is nothing, then just simply put the tool down.
This is an epically good post.
Altered, what do you use your pot for?
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Wow what a great post!
"have a clear goal or motivation behind your decision."
that's a commonly ignored principle for taking mind-altering substances
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: gwaaaar]
#7445749 - 09/23/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So here's the thing, I absolutely hate, detest, and abhor washing dishes. Would like to never do them again but of course it must be done everyday. Getting stoned first makes it the tiniest bit bearable.
I prefer doing mundane tasks stoned.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: mushbaby]
#7446558 - 09/24/07 03:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^^ Ya know... that's what I miss the most about smoking pot.
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Kinematics said: Altered, what do you use your pot for?
To get an overview of myself, to put it simply.
On ground I am only able to see what is before my feet. Corners are unknowns, hills are horizons, structures are obfuscations.
Only by shifting my perception to that of a bird, can I clearly see where the corners turn, where the hills lead, and where the sun really sets.
Hopefully soon I'll start taking my altered states into the floatation tank.
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Gomp]
#7446704 - 09/24/07 06:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gomp said:
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searchalx said: Pot, a gift, for use of endulging once in awhile and a nice past time, or is regular pot use a distraction put here to take us away from achieving life goals.
Nothing should be regular...
regular bowel movements are nice
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: demiu5]
#7446848 - 09/24/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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nothing should be.
something just is.
and if it doesn't suit us, then we can try change it,
if we choose to do so.

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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: demiu5]
#7451054 - 09/25/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nei..
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Re: OK, THOUGHTS [Re: Booby]
#7463132 - 09/28/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it totally depends on the person and the reason for using pot.
I've found that pot can be extremely relaxing, a good destressor, a way to bond with friends, a sleep aid, something to calm the stomach, something to inspire creativity and focus (I get super focused on one thing a lot of the time after I've smoked), something to bring on an appetite, etc. Good stuff. But, it can really easily be abused. I used to smoke it way too much, espescially before class/work. I hated going to class, and going to class high made the experience less miserable. But that's a bad pattern to get into :/ But that's not a problem with pot, it's a problem with life patterns mostly.
So basically, using pot is good. Abusing it isn't.
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