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Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman
#7428366 - 09/19/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1284824,00.html
A man who admitted urinating on a disabled woman as she lay dying in the street is now facing a prison sentence.
Hartlepool Magistrates' Court heard how Anthony Anderson, 27, robbed the 50-year-old woman of "any dignity".
The magistrates agreed that their maximum sentencing powers of six months in prison were insufficient and so they transferred the case to crown court.
They were told how Anderson shouted "this is YouTube material" as he urinated on - and later smothered shaving foam over - the victim, who had collapsed near his Hartlepool house.
Christine Lakinski, who suffered a number of medical problems, had been making her way home when she fell ill and stumbled into a doorway.
Anderson had been smoking cannabis and drinking at his home when a friend arrived on July 26.
They spotted Ms Lakinski, and Anderson initially tried to rouse her by kicking the soles of her feet. He then got a bucket of water and threw it over her.
The victim never responded and Anderson then urinated over the woman.
The act was filmed on mobile phone and Anderson then got a tin of shaving foam and covered her from head to foot before leaving her lying motionless.
The woman was later declared dead at the scene, having suffered a pancreatic failure.
Prosecutor Lynne Dalton said: "Although his actions did not contribute to her death it was appalling behaviour that robbed her of any dignity in the last hours of her life."
After the hearing, the victim's brother, Mark Lakinski, said: "We will await the outcome and just hope he gets what he deserves."
Anderson, who admitted outraging public decency, was granted unconditional bail until October 22, when he is expected to attend Teesside Crown Court.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I'm not sure why the fact he was drinking and smoking pot was relavent.
I have never been so drunk that I felt the need to viciously degrade someone.
Hell, I do that sober as a bird.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Too Vanilla]
#7428632 - 09/19/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope they twist it up some way so they can get that fuckhead for murder
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7428648 - 09/19/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well he did let her die, that's close to murder.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7428666 - 09/19/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give the man a usual prison sentence for assault. When his term is up put him on probation for 2 years. Every weekend for those two years he has to stand at that very spot he urinated on this poor lady and wear a sandwich board saying "I urinated on a woman in the last minutes of her life instead of being a decent human being and getting help."
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: DNKYD]
#7428697 - 09/19/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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^ Or, you just tell his cellmate what he's in for.
Trust me, if you do, he doesn't have to be in the clink for more than a week and he'll get worse than he deserves.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: DNKYD]
#7428706 - 09/19/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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She was most likely already dead, but that is some sick fucking shit and I hope he gets sent away for a longggg time.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Too Vanilla]
#7428709 - 09/19/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Too Vanilla said: ^ Or, you just tell his cellmate what he's in for.
Trust me, if you do, he doesn't have to be in the clink for more than a week and he'll get worse than he deserves.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7428713 - 09/19/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The shaving cream part is just weird
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Too Vanilla]
#7428714 - 09/19/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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A year in prison sounds reasonable. What he did was cold.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428723 - 09/19/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really hope, he becomes someones bitch in jail.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428770 - 09/19/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think a year is enough? What if that was your mom? That motherfucker should never be released. Fuck him.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7428790 - 09/19/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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How long could he actually get?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428815 - 09/19/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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No idea, mate
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428819 - 09/19/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hard to say because he could be charged with any number of different things. Law and folks are really funny about what is done with bodies...
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#7428834 - 09/19/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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are you guys serious?
why dont you stop having knee-jerk reactions to every single news story and maybe try to read what they arent telling you. like, he didnt check for a pulse, so he probably didnt even think about the fact that she was dead, he probably just thought it was some vagrant who had passed out. It is really no more "horrifying" than people fucking with their passed out friend. But because we have been instilled to have some useless, illogical, unfounded reverence for anything that is dead, we start shaking our fists and harumphing.
This guy should get public indecency at worst. I think the only thing he should get is a ticket for that. Jail time for peeing on someone? especially someone who is dead?
he robbed her of dignity? actually it was probably this news story that did that. This could have been a very quiet civil matter, but the news has to ride the "shock and awe" wave and act like they are just the messenger.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7428854 - 09/19/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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you see your friend drink a bunch of liquor, then puke and pass out, you can fuck with him knowing he's only passed out from being drunk. you see someone passed out lying face down on the street who doesn't even rouse when you kick their foot, then common human decency tells you at the very least not to fucking piss on the person. he should have called the cops. even if he didn't want to deal with them, just be like, "look, there's someone passed out on the street at such and such address. you deal with it, i don't want to" and a life may have been saved.
it's not a knee-jerk reaction due to unchecked references. it's a matter of common fucking human decency.
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and it isnt a felony to be an indecent human being.
Im pretty sure that if he was complicit in her death through negligence that there would be some sort of mention beyond the quote "Even though he had nothing to do with her death".
Chances are, nothing he could have done would have saved her life.
also, look at the headlines for this thread.... "Man urinates on dying disabled woman"..... from what I have read, it should say "Man urinates on dead woman".
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7428897 - 09/19/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously he probably thought it was some homeless person that was fucked up and passed out on his front door step. If some homeless person was passed out on my front step I would not only urinate on them but shit on them too, that'll teach em a lesson. I highly doubt he knew the person was dead, and if he did well then maybe give him probation or something.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: disturbed]
#7428905 - 09/19/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's good to see there are still some decent people in the world.
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its good to see that there are people who arent affected by moral relitavism and sensationalism.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7428918 - 09/19/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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He was a dickhead and now hes getting dicked back.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7428927 - 09/19/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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YawningAnus said: its good to see that there are people who arent affected by moral relitavism and sensationalism.
i can assure you i'd be no less outraged if i had witnessed the event by myself rather than reading it in a news story.
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yeah? well shoulda woulda coulda... what would you have done differently that would have altered the course of history and really changed the outcome of this story?
The woman would still be dead, but maybe with a little less urine and shaving cream on her dead corpse..... why does it matter? Would you have swooped in with your ninja skills and whooped his ass? you big arbiter of urinary direction and decency?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429025 - 09/19/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone who is intentionally cruel to other people, especially the weak and hopeless, aren't suited to live in society. I'm not being knee jerk. I don't want to live in the same community as a person like that. That's why I think this person should be permanently removed from society. If you think what he did wasn't so bad, I would also like to see you removed from society as well.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7429058 - 09/19/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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so are you equally outraged when you hear stories or see videos of the same thing happening to people that are alive?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429068 - 09/19/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i don't know how i exactly i would act. but i know at the very least i would have called 911. if someone is unconscious on the street, that's my first reaction. maybe they are just a drunk, and maybe my interference causes more harm than help. but on the chance that the person in the ditch is actually in trouble, be it due to heart attack, pancreatic failure, alcohol poisoning, whatever, then the potential benefits of my interference far outweigh the potential repercussions.
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i agree with you.
personally, regardless of the situation i think urination on a human being is sick.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: laska]
#7429112 - 09/19/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the sort of arguement that taking either side will result in bad vibes.
The woman is dead, she got pissed on. In a few months time, maggots will be eating her decomposing corpse, in a century, it'll be another muddy skeleton. It doesn't affect her, but this is one news story the world could have done without. When's the last time you heard of someone helping someone injured in a similar predicament? The only time I can recollect was eight years ago when walking with my grandparents I noticed this old woman sitting on the path to her front door, asking feebly for help. We got an ambulance over, and it turns out her fall had broken her hip. She was fine afterwards.
Not newsworthy? I'd much rather read about that than someone's posthumous degredation.
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ah, so now you are swooping down to dictate what is wrong and right... a hero to save the day.
I dont care what you say, pissing on a dead 50+ year old woman is hilarious, especially if you pur shaving cream all over her afterwards.
see, this is why we have laws... most laws arent designed around knee-jerk, outraged reactions... they have come about through rational thinking and weighing all the effects it could have.
It isnt against the law to piss on someone passed out on your front lawn, but it is against the law to expose yourself and urinate outdoors.... so he is guilty of those things....
I heard about these guys who make a job out of putting make up on dead people, and making it look like they are "peacefully sleeping".... I was outraged when I heard this, and I want it to go on record that I want this to stop.... it is desecrating a corpse and robbing it of all its dignity, IMO
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429135 - 09/19/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yay i made a topic that makes people froth at the mouth. i only posted this shit because it had the funniest news title i've seen in a while.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7429146 - 09/19/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree completely with that.
The whole "if it bleeds, it leads" concept that our media shoots at us, is disgusting. Why not have a single public news network that showcases heroic action, people joining together in peace and community involvement.
There are ways to measure brain activity and the amounts of energy resulting from peoples emotions.
A negative feeling or thought has allot less power than a positive one. If the general public was shown humanity, rather than brutality on a regular basis i would bet that crime would decrease.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: laska]
#7429233 - 09/19/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did she like it?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429258 - 09/19/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, like people who make those 'happy slap' films should be put to death and those Australian kids that pissed on that retarded girl and set her hair on fire should also be killed.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Quarryman]
#7429269 - 09/19/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, how do we know it wasnt her dying wish to be urinated upon?
what I find funny is that you guys seem to find urinating on her worse than putting shaving cream all over her.... no, your not adhering to moral relitavism and sensationalism.....
Im willing to bet that if this story was just about a guy putting shaving cream all over a dead, old lady there wouldnt be nearly as much outrage and probably some of you would actually respond with "lol".
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7429287 - 09/19/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Yes, like people who make those 'happy slap' films should be put to death and those Australian kids that pissed on that retarded girl and set her hair on fire should also be killed.
now it is obvious you are lacking any shred of being rational.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429492 - 09/19/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Yes, like people who make those 'happy slap' films should be put to death and those Australian kids that pissed on that retarded girl and set her hair on fire should also be killed.
now it is obvious you are lacking any shred of being rational.
Your rationality is bullshit. I'm making a coherent sensible argument. You want to live in a world where people accept abhorrent behavior (probably because you have a tendency to behave that way yourself) and I don't. People who abuse other people for their own amusement are worthless fucking scumbags that don't deserve to share the same public space that I do. So fuck them.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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of course. It is completely sensible to put "urinators" to death....
Why dont you take a step outside of yourself and look at what you are saying. Abhorrent behaviour? maybe to you, but that isnt a universal constant.
see, when someone is offended, it is usually because they are so self-absorbed that they are unable to think "beyond themselves" and their morality. You seem to think that this is some abomination that must be stopped, just because you have been raised to think that peeing on someone is bad.
Do you really not think that some of your actions in your life have directly, or indirectly caused someone to suffer? If you want to go through life thinking that what you do in the name of "Good" is truly, and absolutely good, and that everything you refrain from because it has been deemed "bad" is in the end a good thing..... then you go ahead with that delusion if it helps you sleep at night.
chances are, if I was in that guys position, I would have done the same thing. Think about what I said earlier: WHy are you not angry at the people who put make-up on dead people and dress them up to make them look like they are sleeping peacefully? what is the difference between those two scenarios? the way you perceive it... that is all.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7429811 - 09/19/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have $10 that says he's someone from OTD.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: LucidDream]
#7429816 - 09/19/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well at least she got a shower before she died...golden or not
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Tangerines]
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and she was prepared already to be shaven in case they had to open her up for surgery....
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7429949 - 09/19/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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YawningAnus said: about what I said earlier: WHy are you not angry at the people who put make-up on dead people and dress them up to make them look like they are sleeping peacefully? what is the difference between those two scenarios? the way you perceive it... that is all.
are you fucking kidding me? are you that goddamn dense? give me a fucking break. morticians respectfully put make-up on dead people so that their loved ones can see them in an open casket, pay their respects, and say goodbye one last time without having to deal with the body looking mangled or whatever else. it makes it easier on the family, and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
the fact that you're even comparing pissing on a dead person to putting make-up on them for an open casket is just fucking absurd. it's not even fucking relevant. and you DON'T know that she was dead before the guy pissed on her. she could have still been alive, in critical condition, sure, but still alive. and it is entirely possible that had he called 911, he would have aided in saving a life, rather than desecrating her in her last moments.
i am seriously in disbelief that you're defending this. perhaps it is a knee-jerk reaction on most people's part, but you know why? because it's fucking appalling.
and i never said the guy deserves the death penalty or anything like that. i think he's fucking scum. i think he needs to be taught a lesson in respect. and i think he should spend at least some time in jail, where i hope he will realize how much of a fucktwat he is... but that is hoping too much, i'm sure.
you don't think that pissing on a dying person out of disrespect is universally abhorrent? bullshit. you find a culture, other than perhaps some isolated fringe culture in the middle of the amazon that had absolutely no connection to the pisser, wherein they find it completely acceptable to piss on a dying person.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: laska]
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laska said: i agree completely with that.
The whole "if it bleeds, it leads" concept that our media shoots at us, is disgusting. Why not have a single public news network that showcases heroic action, people joining together in peace and community involvement.
There are ways to measure brain activity and the amounts of energy resulting from peoples emotions.
A negative feeling or thought has allot less power than a positive one. If the general public was shown humanity, rather than brutality on a regular basis i would bet that crime would decrease.
I may sound like a hippie chick but to me, it makes sense
You make sense to me, too. I like the way you think.
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YawningAnus said: I heard about these guys who make a job out of putting make up on dead people, and making it look like they are "peacefully sleeping".... I was outraged when I heard this, and I want it to go on record that I want this to stop.... it is desecrating a corpse and robbing it of all its dignity, IMO
Ahah very funny but when people do that , the family finds a business who does it, tells them to and then pays for it. Its not like the second you croke men in suits pick you up, and start putting make up on you. Nor is it mandatory.
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YawningAnus said: about what I said earlier: WHy are you not angry at the people who put make-up on dead people and dress them up to make them look like they are sleeping peacefully? what is the difference between those two scenarios? the way you perceive it... that is all.
are you fucking kidding me? are you that goddamn dense? give me a fucking break. morticians respectfully
let me stop you right there.... you view it as being respectable. That doesnt make it respectable.
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put make-up on dead people so that their loved ones can see them in an open casket, pay their respects, and say goodbye one last time without having to deal with the body looking mangled or whatever else. it makes it easier on the family, and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
again, you dont think it is disrespectful, because this is how you have been raised. It is familiar to you, it is routine. Nothing about that changes the fact that it is still doing something to a dead body.
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the fact that you're even comparing pissing on a dead person to putting make-up on them for an open casket is just fucking absurd. it's not even fucking relevant.
it isnt relevant to you, because in your mind, those things have negative and positive "spin" to them through your upbringing and social conditioning. Quote:
and you DON'T know that she was dead before the guy pissed on her. she could have still been alive, in critical condition, sure, but still alive. and it is entirely possible that had he called 911, he would have aided in saving a life, rather than desecrating her in her last moments.
the report said that he was not negligent, nor did he have anything to do with her death.... I am pretty sure, but watching someone die, or atleast by not calling 911 where it could have saved someones life is punishable by law as negligence and you would be in some way complicit in their death.
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i am seriously in disbelief that you're defending this. perhaps it is a knee-jerk reaction on most people's part, but you know why? because it's fucking appalling.
it is only appaling because you think it is. You know what happens when someone dies? the shit and piss on themselves.
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you don't think that pissing on a dying person out of disrespect is universally abhorrent? bullshit.
I have found that it doesnt matter what I think, and I dont let that dictate my emotions, especially over something as trivial and funny as this. But since you asked, no, I dont find it abhorrent, I find it hilarious.
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you find a culture, other than perhaps some isolated fringe culture in the middle of the amazon that had absolutely no connection to the pisser, wherein they find it completely acceptable to piss on a dying person.
fucking ridiculous.
well, first, you need to figure out what it is that you abhor about it.... is it pissing on someone? is it messing with a dead person? which one is it, and I will bring you plenty of cultural examples of it. It is apparent that the guy didnt think that the woman was dead, so unless you want to be pissed of at him for accidentally pissing on a dead woman, but purposefully pissing on someone.... then you live with your delusional state... it is like getting mad at someone who says "Yo mamma" to a person whose mother has died, but he didnt know.
Basically, you are just angry at the situation, which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.... and in reality you are just pissed that someone pissed on someone else, which happens all the time, all over the world, accepted and unaccepted.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Crystal G]
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look guys, its obviously this man is mentally ill. if anything deep down he would probably get turned on by being put in the rat cage, handcuffed, and beaten with sticks.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: DeathCompany]
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maybe she was having a heart attack and she lite herself onfire as a smoke signal for help.
this man came and put out the fire the only way he could,and now we all want to hang him!!
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: DeathCompany]
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YawningAnus said: I heard about these guys who make a job out of putting make up on dead people, and making it look like they are "peacefully sleeping".... I was outraged when I heard this, and I want it to go on record that I want this to stop.... it is desecrating a corpse and robbing it of all its dignity, IMO
Ahah very funny but when people do that , the family finds a business who does it, tells them to and then pays for it. Its not like the second you croke men in suits pick you up, and start putting make up on you. Nor is it mandatory.
right, I am making a point about what is socially acceptable and what is shunned... it is basically an arbitrary line. Years ago, society deemed that urine is vulgar and anything that has to do with it should be private and/or shameful/dirty and we decided that even if the person died in the most shameful, horrifying way that they should be made to look like they were at peace.
I think if most people would keep in their head just how almost every emotion/reaction is social conditioning, then they could find more situations like this hilarious like myself and some others do.
You guys say shame on me for laughing, I say shame on you for not laughing.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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YawningAnus said: Basically, you are just angry at the situation, which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.... and in reality you are just pissed that someone pissed on someone else, which happens all the time, all over the world, accepted and unaccepted.
no, i'm pissed at a guy who pissed on someone he did not know, who obviously needed help. and the fact that she was dying does make it worse, even though he did not know she was dying. i still firmly believe he should have called 911, rather than fucking with her.
and i said "you don't think that pissing on a dying person out of disrespect is universally abhorrent? bullshit", universally abhorrent meaning abhorrent to a very large majority of all mainstream societies, not abhorrent to you.
And of course societal influence played a part in my thinking it's wrong. that is, afterall, how social norms are created that define the boundaries of acceptable behavior. however, I believe that one should respect the dead. as do virtually all cultures. even if you cannot categorize his actions as "right" or "wrong" due to their subjective definitions, you can still say without a shadow of a doubt, that he was pissing on this dead/dying woman with a complete and utter lack of respect.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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It truly is a shame when we can't all forget our differances and join in a hearty chuckle about pissing on dead granmas.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Quarryman]
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wait wait i have another one, what if he was a shaman who just ate a amanita muscaria cap and he was just hooking her up!
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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YawningAnus said: I think if most people would keep in their head just how almost every emotion/reaction is social conditioning, then they could find more situations like this hilarious like myself and some others do.
For sake of example lets bring up a hypothetical situation. Your mother (or a female that is very close to you) is laying on the sidewalk after just suffering from a heart attack. I come walking along and see her helplessly lying there. Instead of calling an ambulance I take it upon myself to: a.) Piss all over her body. b.) Fuck her in the ass. c.) Pull out and cum on her back. d.) Get up and kick her in the face a couple times for good measure. e.) Walk away nonchalantly leaving her to die.
Would you find this funny and give me a high five? Honestly despite what you've said about social conditioning and what not I think you'd be a little upset with my actions, or maybe not... thats why I asked. I'm curious as to where you draw your lines at or if you draw any at all.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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YawningAnus said: I heard about these guys who make a job out of putting make up on dead people, and making it look like they are "peacefully sleeping".... I was outraged when I heard this, and I want it to go on record that I want this to stop.... it is desecrating a corpse and robbing it of all its dignity, IMO
Ahah very funny but when people do that , the family finds a business who does it, tells them to and then pays for it. Its not like the second you croke men in suits pick you up, and start putting make up on you. Nor is it mandatory.
right, I am making a point about what is socially acceptable and what is shunned... it is basically an arbitrary line. Years ago, society deemed that urine is vulgar and anything that has to do with it should be private and/or shameful/dirty and we decided that even if the person died in the most shameful, horrifying way that they should be made to look like they were at peace.
I think if most people would keep in their head just how almost every emotion/reaction is social conditioning, then they could find more situations like this hilarious like myself and some others do.
You guys say shame on me for laughing, I say shame on you for not laughing.
Well its not like the man got the families permission to piss all over her.
I do find this funny and wrong at the same time, in fact the only reason i do find it funny is because others consider it wrong which im guessing is where you are coming from
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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she was dying? shouldda' put ice in her ass and pussy.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Mitchnast]
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to preserve it?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: makaveli8x8]
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To make the DMT trip better.
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And of course societal influence played a part in my thinking it's wrong. that is, afterall, how social norms are created that define the boundaries of acceptable behavior. however, I believe that one should respect the dead.
then shouldnt a suitable counter argument from me be "i believe that one shouldnt have to respect the dead"?
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as do virtually all cultures. even if you cannot categorize his actions as "right" or "wrong" due to their subjective definitions, you can still say without a shadow of a doubt, that he was pissing on this dead/dying woman with a complete and utter lack of respect.
Yes, he did it without any respect to her.... but it isnt against the law to be disrespectful, nor does that make you a "bad" person.
im sure this guy feels bad.... most people would. Im sure this guy thought he was just fucking with some wasted bag lady, but I dont think he should go to jail at all. We live in a country that tries to respect all ways of life and cultures and in doing so, we have attempted to remove all such punishment due to "indecency" or "disrespect" unless it truly harms anothers ability to live his/her life the way they wish. Frankly, you dont have any rights after you are dead, and there are no laws against being "disrespectful" or "a fucking asshole".
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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look at it this way, im sure lots of people take a piss in the cemetary, nobody goes to jail or hanged for that
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I believe you and TRB should look up the word egocentrism
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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YawningAnus said: I think if most people would keep in their head just how almost every emotion/reaction is social conditioning, then they could find more situations like this hilarious like myself and some others do.
For sake of example lets bring up a hypothetical situation. Your mother (or a female that is very close to you) is laying on the sidewalk after just suffering from a heart attack. I come walking along and see her helplessly lying there. Instead of calling an ambulance I take it upon myself to: a.) Piss all over her body. b.) Fuck her in the ass. c.) Pull out and cum on her back. d.) Get up and kick her in the face a couple times for good measure. e.) Walk away nonchalantly leaving her to die.
Would you find this funny and give me a high five? Honestly despite what you've said about social conditioning and what not I think you'd be a little upset with my actions, or maybe not... thats why I asked. I'm curious as to where you draw your lines at or if you draw any at all.
I cant say that I wouldnt be pissed... atleast at first.
I would be more angry that he didnt do anything to help her, like call an ambulance, than pissing on or fisting her. Sure, i would probably fuck the guy up, but that would be due to a knee-jerk reaction. But, frankly, that hypothetical question doesnt have anything to do with this discussion.... because a) it doesnt directly involve one of us b) it said that this guy didnt have anything to do with her death c) he wasnt aware that anything was wrong.
What I can say about your hypothetical question is that if this woman had been my mom, I would be angry for maybe like a day, but probably more emotionally consumed with my mothers death and I would probably laugh about it.... I can honestly say that I would laugh if someone pissed on my dead mother.... hell, I think I might one day. The situation is funny, and I have a relationship with my mother that transcends being angry about what someone did with a group of cells that used to represent who she was. It would be like someone pissing on a statue of my mom, to me.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: look at it this way, im sure lots of people take a piss in the cemetary, nobody goes to jail or hanged for that
I hang out in cemetaries, and I have done my fair share of pissing on gravestones. I don't find it disrespectful; I'm pissing on a stone. A freaking stone: But if I could find a way to piss on the spirit, then we would have something
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: laska]
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laska said: personally, regardless of the situation i think urination on a human being is sick.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I don't particularly find the story amusing, but the hysteria of the knee jerk reactionaries is disturbing. If an Oddly Enough story about a woman being pissed on leads you into a frenzy, find a better hobby.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: bukkake]
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Sick sad world today. Why on earth would someone leave their territory markings on a dying woman?
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: bukkake]
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bukkake said: I don't particularly find the story amusing, but the hysteria of the knee jerk reactionaries is disturbing. If an Oddly Enough story about a woman being pissed on leads you into a frenzy, find a better hobby.
it's not just a guy pissing on a woman. that happens all the time, i couldn't give a fuck. it was a guy pissing on a nonconsenting, DYING woman he did not know, who was obviously in need of assistance. it was making a complete mockery of an unconscious woman in her dying hours rather than trying to help her out.
if you really don't understand why people are upset, then it is my opinion that you are a sociopath so far gone your family should really consider having you institutionalized.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: bukkake]
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believe it or not, people are able to find more than one thing disturbing. obviously there are infinitesimally worse things in the world, but that in no way makes this acceptable or anything less than despicable.
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well, if a person who is dying pisses on himself would that also be "horrid" and "indignant"?
i think the old lady was dying and she didn't give a shit.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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that could not be any less relevant.
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a person who hangs himself pisses himself. public executions, where a person is murdered in front of hundreds of people, are worse. the person twitches and gags until he/she pisses himself. but i guess we've hung enough people to accept that. so if someone pisses on an old lady that's horrible? not less horrible than what's going on every day on the news and on the streets. its just that this event can't be ignored because it's so prominent and separate.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Iron_Hymen]
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Iron_Hymen said: Sick sad world today. Why on earth would someone leave their territory markings on a dying woman?
Why not, cats do it all the time
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: FreakQlibrium]
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plus when that body is moved the territory (according to international laws) shifts along with the dead body. so wherever the corpse is, he owns it. quite clever.
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
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So, like, is it on YouTube?
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Nemo_Hoes
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Brugman]
#7432491 - 09/20/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It should be.
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ArthurDent42
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
#7433868 - 09/20/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I usually unload my hairy variable friends onto dying street ladies. I think piss was a bit of a shortcoming on his part.
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Pledge2Educate
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Re: Man Urinates On Dying Disabled Woman [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7433933 - 09/20/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like it was back when I lived in Rochester, NY. If your a hobo on the street, a drunkard or just lying there, you are very likely to get pissed on, spit on, shit on or worse.
If your lucky, they might throw your ass a quarter for the inconvienence.
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