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Alien Abductions
    #7428118 - 09/19/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Abductee: "I was abducted by Greys last night who took me aboard their ship."

Translation: "My life is so boring that I must live in a fantasy world and try to convince others of my sincerity and my importance."

Solution: Put away the drugs. Get a hobby and a romantic partner. Better still: Become a sci-fi writer. Turn your pathology into $$$.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428184 - 09/19/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'm working on a novel right now, it's about a person trying to raise human consciousness by the year 2012 and his neighbor who is a paranoid schizophrenic and their realities start becoming all too similar... none of you better steal my idea, I've already written 10 pages.

Back to the topic on hand, I think it is healthy to write down your drug induced revelations or paranormal experiences or what have you and examine whether they can be integrated into your everyday life in a purposeful manner or whether they would be better left aside.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428215 - 09/19/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Abductee: "I was abducted by Greys last night who took me aboard their ship."

Translation: "My life is so boring that I must live in a fantasy world and try to convince others of my sincerity and my importance."

Solution: Log onto the shroomery every day and make little posts showing how stupid everyone else is.



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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7428284 - 09/19/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Log onto the shroomery every day and make little posts showing how stupid everyone else is.




That is an alternative that never occurred to me. However, belief in alien abductions has little relevance to intelligence.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428451 - 09/19/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The THREAT: Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda
by David M. Jacobs

Amazon.com
Editorial Review

Sometimes pop culture produces its best comedies by accident--witness the Hula-Hoop craze, roller disco, and now the alien abduction phenomenon. In this hilarious "exposé" David Jacobs reveals the secret agenda that compels aliens to abduct human men and women. Some of the best material is in his section on research methods, where he decries the use of hypnotism by other alien-abduction specialists, because it can produce false memories; he then goes on to explain that most of his data comes from hypnotically induced recollections. The stories he relates from the various abductees he has worked with are all titillatingly sexual, and Jacobs writes that this consistency proves not that people are prone to sexual fantasies, but that the aliens are using humans for their breeding program. Filled with delightful howlers of this sort, The Threat is a laugh riot from beginning to end. Toss out your Dave Barry books and move up to the real thing
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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428650 - 09/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Gee Shmoopy, how come Jacobs' conclusions in no way match the godfather of modern abductions, Whitley Streiber's?

That's easy, OC. Too much overlap reduces book sales dramatically.

But then that means either one or both are liars or delusional, doesn't it?

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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428668 - 09/19/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Abductee Speaks Out

Becky

Part 1: Beginnings


Sometimes when I look back over my early life, I wonder how I missed them: gaps of time as long as nine hours, bumps and bruises, odd dreams and ideas. All of them idly wondered about, but never considered for any length of time. They never struck me as abnormal, since they had been going on from my earliest memories. This was simply just how life was and I learned to adapt to it.

As a young child, I knew there were “monsters” that visited my room at night. I didn’t like them and I developed a fear of the dark. When I would try to tell my parents about the “monsters,” they would ridicule me and tell everyone what an “overactive imagination” I had. Embarrassed, I learned not to talk about the events that were happening to me. Around the age of 10, the fear of the dark grew to the point where I begged for a nightlight. Even with it on, I would lie awake terrified that someone was in my room.



Children, monsters, nightmares and the dark? WTF? That is evidence!


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428701 - 09/19/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Abductess Speak Out

Memoirs of Shadows by Laura

Part 2: Childhood


In childhood, and to some degree in the present, I had an overwhelming fear of doctors and dentists with their bright lights and sharp tools.



Can't argue with that, folks! :nono:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7428817 - 09/19/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Oh Dog! Not multiple posts now.:whoa: This place has gotten to the poor laddie.:monkeydance:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Icelander]
    #7428858 - 09/19/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Where did everyone go? Could they have been - dare I say it - abducted?

This just in: I have been informed that some people have to 'work' during the day. Damn Overlords!


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7429185 - 09/19/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Are you Swami? You and him would get along great.

Your completely right though, all alien abductee claiments are delusional drug users and there are no other possibilities, the same as all black people are reefer smoking crack heads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Zamora
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_Barney_Hill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascagoula_Abduction
http://ufos.about.com/od/aliensalienabduction/p/andreasson.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villas_Boas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schirmer_Abduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allagash_Abductions
http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/ufo's/dechmont.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case376.htm
http://ufos.about.com/od/aliensalienabduction/a/bestabductions.htm

Heres some research for you, but as you clearly make your brash opinions without research then I doubt it will do any good *sigh*

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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7429560 - 09/19/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up about Black people. BTW, you win 'The Strawman of the Month Award' for that observation.

Every link you gave merely tells a story; some already discredited; some heresay. There is not one scintilla of hard evidence among the lot. Try again.

BTW, Swami was a real jerk and to insuate we are similar is not very nice.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7429601 - 09/19/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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the same as all black people are reefer smoking crack heads.




Only the ones that have been abducted are reefer smoking crack heads.....    :smirk:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7429663 - 09/19/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Shouldn't it read:

reefer-smoking pot heads

or

crack-smoking crack heads?


Hey WTF? Who derailed my thread? :hissyfit:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7429687 - 09/19/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions, Alien Abductions....


There, back on track....!


>^;;^<


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7429694 - 09/19/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Whew! Thanks.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7429705 - 09/19/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

*insinuate

I've been using dmt a lot recently and I've had some experiences that if a normal, sober person was to experience, they would probably claim alien abduction/implantation

I'm not saying things one way or the other, but I do believe there are all sorts of other living creatures out there. Whether or not they are abducting us silly monkeys I don't know


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: demiu5]
    #7429732 - 09/19/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I've been using dmt a lot recently and I've had some experiences that if a normal, sober person was to experience,




This no makee sense. If one is on DMT they are not sober, and if sober are not tripping. :shrugs:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7429827 - 09/19/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

it's not hard to understand; let me break it up for you

I've been using dmt a lot recently and have had some experiences that if a

normal, sober person was to experience, they would probably claim alien abduction/implantation

(saying if the sober person were to experience these things, they would think they were being abducted)

I definitely have to lean towards strassman's theory of dmt rushes causing sober people to experience 'alien encounter' type experiences...that is if his other theory is correct about endogenous dmt

better?


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7429835 - 09/19/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think he meant if someone was unaware that it was a DMT trip.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Lion]
    #7429903 - 09/19/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

sober, no external chemical inudction


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Lion]
    #7430679 - 09/19/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

bug said:
I think he meant if someone was unaware that it was a DMT trip.




Are you saying psychotropic drugs mess with your mind? :eek:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7430831 - 09/20/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Basically, if it doesn't fit within Orgone's reality bubble, it doesn't exist.

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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7430882 - 09/20/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Heres some research for you, but as you clearly make your brash opinions without research then I doubt it will do any good *sigh*




Looks like I was right then,
I've provided my evidence and all you can do is say in one statement "some of its been discredited" then forget about it? Ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7430914 - 09/20/07 02:21 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Stories are not considered scientific evidence. :nono:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7430972 - 09/20/07 03:23 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

rational empiricist
cartesian dualism

do you swear by these philosophies, Orgone?

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nothing which cannot be recognised by the intellect (or reason) can be classified as knowledge. These truths are gained "without any sensory experience", according to Descartes. Truths that are attained by reason are to be broken down into elements which intuition can grasp, which, through a purely deductive process, will result in clear truths about reality.




I hope this isn't considered a personalism, I'm just interested in your perspective.

You seem to believe very strongly in Cartesian Dualism: there are two things in this world, the physical and the mind. These paranormal experiences happen to a sick mind which exists in a physical world? The physical is outside of us and the mind creates ideas and images which a person navigates the physical world with? To have a paranormal experience is to somehow lose your mind and literally lose touch with the physical?

Maybe you believe that all experiences are real in a sense but that all statements must be logically consistent with a certain scientific paradigm in order for them to be considered true (for the sake of being able to communicate our experiences)? So, saying greys exist is false because science has no explanation for them, so when someone says they have seen greys they are talking "nonsense"? Like, saying I was abducted by greys is synonymous to saying "fluffy my and red ok!"?

Is it more like a quantum thing, a many worlds theory, where the desire to escape this reality is so strong that a person succeeds and just coincidently it is always in the form of an alien abduction, but this is against some sacred law because it puts our collective reality at risk of being invaded by aliens and following certain beliefs will steer us in the right cosmic direction?

Do you simply believe that the person is bored and wants attention and so flat out makes up a story for some 15 minutes of fame? One person did this a long time ago, and then there have been multiple copycats because the story is always vaguely possible and excites the imagination?

Or do you just like trying to frustrate true believers and mystics (honestly?)

I'm not trying to corner you, I've never had an abduction myself and it seems curious - you seem like a smart person, so I thought I would try and gauge your viewpoint and maybe learn something.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7431045 - 09/20/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

My opinion is not truly necessary which is quite important as bullshit usually relies on hyperbole.

1. Sleep paralysis can mimic conditions claimed by abductees? True or False

2. Hypnotic regression (the favored method for bringing these stories to light) has been able to create false memory? True or False

3. All removed 'implants' have been shown to be bone, glass, cysts, metal, scar tissue and other common earth-based objects? True or False

4. There is not a single credible video of an abductee being abducted? True or False

5. Alleged abductees in Sleep Research centers have claimed to be abducted while being filmed in their beds for the entire period. True or False


There is more, but that should suffice to an unbiased, rational mind.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431084 - 09/20/07 04:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I see, so an alien abduction is probably just a case of sleep paralysis/astral projection combined with a lack of meaningful adventure in the person's life which causes the person to self-induce hypnotic regression in order to make the event seem much more meaningful than it was.

Makes a lot of sense to me now :smile2:
It's funny how these people always say that the experience was dream-like and then they forgot most of it because, they assume, the aliens erased their memories.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431108 - 09/20/07 04:52 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Abductee: "I was abducted by Greys last night who took me aboard their ship."

Translation: "My life is so boring that I must live in a fantasy world and try to convince others of my sincerity and my importance."

Solution: Put away the drugs. Get a hobby and a romantic partner. Better still: Become a sci-fi writer. Turn your pathology into $$$.




I thought we were supposed to attack ideas, not people.

I was abducted by "Greys" as a child, I know it wasn't a dream or movie I saw for many reasons,
including my parent's story of how I went missing overnight when I was 5.

I have an AWESOME life, and no need to spend much of it here, as you can see from my post count.
I don't care what you think of me or if you believe me, I just want to point out that many well-balanced and successful people have had these experiences.

You seem so sure of everything, I know nothing I say will pull your head out,
but for the audience, here is what I am 99% sure of:

They are not Grey, that is the color of their suits, they are actually a peach/pink with translucent scales.

They are not from outer space, they have been here on Earth for thousands of years living in subterranean cities.

1) True, but that disproves nothing.

2) True, ditto

3) FALSE, many implants have been found to be "meteorite" or non-earth-based metals.

4) FALSE, videos exist, but have never been released to the public. (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, btw)

5) True, but just becuase 90% of abductees are quacks doesn't mean the authentic 10% are.

That's all I'm going to say, I have better things to do than talk to brick walls.

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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431392 - 09/20/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
This thread does not outline a philosophical/spiritual topic for discussion, and is hereby locked.

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