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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Lion]
    #7429903 - 09/19/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

sober, no external chemical inudction


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Lion]
    #7430679 - 09/19/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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bug said:
I think he meant if someone was unaware that it was a DMT trip.




Are you saying psychotropic drugs mess with your mind? :eek:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7430831 - 09/20/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Basically, if it doesn't fit within Orgone's reality bubble, it doesn't exist.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7430882 - 09/20/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Ego Death said:
Heres some research for you, but as you clearly make your brash opinions without research then I doubt it will do any good *sigh*




Looks like I was right then,
I've provided my evidence and all you can do is say in one statement "some of its been discredited" then forget about it? Ignorance is bliss.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: Ego Death]
    #7430914 - 09/20/07 02:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Stories are not considered scientific evidence. :nono:


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7430972 - 09/20/07 03:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

rational empiricist
cartesian dualism

do you swear by these philosophies, Orgone?

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nothing which cannot be recognised by the intellect (or reason) can be classified as knowledge. These truths are gained "without any sensory experience", according to Descartes. Truths that are attained by reason are to be broken down into elements which intuition can grasp, which, through a purely deductive process, will result in clear truths about reality.




I hope this isn't considered a personalism, I'm just interested in your perspective.

You seem to believe very strongly in Cartesian Dualism: there are two things in this world, the physical and the mind. These paranormal experiences happen to a sick mind which exists in a physical world? The physical is outside of us and the mind creates ideas and images which a person navigates the physical world with? To have a paranormal experience is to somehow lose your mind and literally lose touch with the physical?

Maybe you believe that all experiences are real in a sense but that all statements must be logically consistent with a certain scientific paradigm in order for them to be considered true (for the sake of being able to communicate our experiences)? So, saying greys exist is false because science has no explanation for them, so when someone says they have seen greys they are talking "nonsense"? Like, saying I was abducted by greys is synonymous to saying "fluffy my and red ok!"?

Is it more like a quantum thing, a many worlds theory, where the desire to escape this reality is so strong that a person succeeds and just coincidently it is always in the form of an alien abduction, but this is against some sacred law because it puts our collective reality at risk of being invaded by aliens and following certain beliefs will steer us in the right cosmic direction?

Do you simply believe that the person is bored and wants attention and so flat out makes up a story for some 15 minutes of fame? One person did this a long time ago, and then there have been multiple copycats because the story is always vaguely possible and excites the imagination?

Or do you just like trying to frustrate true believers and mystics (honestly?)

I'm not trying to corner you, I've never had an abduction myself and it seems curious - you seem like a smart person, so I thought I would try and gauge your viewpoint and maybe learn something.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7431045 - 09/20/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My opinion is not truly necessary which is quite important as bullshit usually relies on hyperbole.

1. Sleep paralysis can mimic conditions claimed by abductees? True or False

2. Hypnotic regression (the favored method for bringing these stories to light) has been able to create false memory? True or False

3. All removed 'implants' have been shown to be bone, glass, cysts, metal, scar tissue and other common earth-based objects? True or False

4. There is not a single credible video of an abductee being abducted? True or False

5. Alleged abductees in Sleep Research centers have claimed to be abducted while being filmed in their beds for the entire period. True or False


There is more, but that should suffice to an unbiased, rational mind.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431084 - 09/20/07 04:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I see, so an alien abduction is probably just a case of sleep paralysis/astral projection combined with a lack of meaningful adventure in the person's life which causes the person to self-induce hypnotic regression in order to make the event seem much more meaningful than it was.

Makes a lot of sense to me now :smile2:
It's funny how these people always say that the experience was dream-like and then they forgot most of it because, they assume, the aliens erased their memories.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431108 - 09/20/07 04:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Abductee: "I was abducted by Greys last night who took me aboard their ship."

Translation: "My life is so boring that I must live in a fantasy world and try to convince others of my sincerity and my importance."

Solution: Put away the drugs. Get a hobby and a romantic partner. Better still: Become a sci-fi writer. Turn your pathology into $$$.




I thought we were supposed to attack ideas, not people.

I was abducted by "Greys" as a child, I know it wasn't a dream or movie I saw for many reasons,
including my parent's story of how I went missing overnight when I was 5.

I have an AWESOME life, and no need to spend much of it here, as you can see from my post count.
I don't care what you think of me or if you believe me, I just want to point out that many well-balanced and successful people have had these experiences.

You seem so sure of everything, I know nothing I say will pull your head out,
but for the audience, here is what I am 99% sure of:

They are not Grey, that is the color of their suits, they are actually a peach/pink with translucent scales.

They are not from outer space, they have been here on Earth for thousands of years living in subterranean cities.

1) True, but that disproves nothing.

2) True, ditto

3) FALSE, many implants have been found to be "meteorite" or non-earth-based metals.

4) FALSE, videos exist, but have never been released to the public. (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, btw)

5) True, but just becuase 90% of abductees are quacks doesn't mean the authentic 10% are.

That's all I'm going to say, I have better things to do than talk to brick walls.


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Re: Alien Abductions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7431392 - 09/20/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
This thread does not outline a philosophical/spiritual topic for discussion, and is hereby locked.


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