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what's wrong with hillary clinton?
    #7427494 - 09/19/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i don't live in the states and the presidential candidates remain distant. i have heard that lots of americans dislike her platform though. why is that?


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7427527 - 09/19/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)





The problem with Hillary is that she is "elitist" and comes across that way to both men and women.

People can tell that she is a Lier and a Fake.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7427844 - 09/19/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with Hillary is that she is "elitist" and comes across that way to both men and women.

People can tell that she is a Lier and a Fake.




Great example of the most common complaints about Hillary. They have everything to do with her personna and her relation to her husband, and absolutely nothing to do with her political platform.

You have to understand that in America, politics take a back seat to personality. That is why the terminator is the governor and Reagan was the president.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7428067 - 09/19/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> lots of americans dislike her platform though. why is that?

I don't like the idea of another eight years of clinton in office. We have been with the same two "ruling families" for the last 30 years or so... it is time for a change.

Beyond that, I don't like her "take from the rich and give to the poor" mentality.

I don't like her health care solution... "If you can't beat them, join them" doesn't go over well with me when it is my money that she is spending to "join them".

I don't like the way she blames the entertainment industry for all the worlds woes. I don't need mother clinton watching out for me. I'm an adult and can take care of myself.

Many other reasons, but it mostly boils down to she is just another corrupt politician.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Seuss]
    #7428323 - 09/19/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

She's a snotty bitch.

I had a buddy who was an employee in the white house years back during the clinton era. He said that both Bill and Hillary treated all the employees like servants, like because of their position they were way better than everyone else.

I know it sounds silly at first to fault someone for this when they have much bigger issues to deal with, but personality is a big part of the race. It goes to the entire credit of the person. If someone literally thinks their job makes them better than anyone else who works just as hard hard, IMO, that person shouldn't be left in charge of guarding even a tiny stick in the woods.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7428482 - 09/19/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

true..but ill take hillary over giuliani or romney any day...


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7428525 - 09/19/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"what's wrong with hillary clinton?"

Cankles.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7428546 - 09/19/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: what's wrong with Hillary Clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7428556 - 09/19/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Look at how she pilfered the tax payers of Arkansas when Bill was Governor. He had a salary around $70,000 a year, yet the State Treasurer said she was spending up to a million of the tax budget on personal stuff, like nannies for Chelsea, fabulous dinner parties and gifts, had prisoners released for the day to take care of her and her mothers yard work, on and on.

She is out for POWER and Prestige and doesn't give a damn about the tax payers. Who cares what her platforms are knowing what many do about her. They are all false feel good fronts, with back door designs to keep her friends wealthy who help to further her position of power.


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Re: what's wrong with Hillary Clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7428625 - 09/19/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How come she was able to spend tax budget money if it was Bill who was the governor? Should have gone through him?

Do you have any sources where I can read about this?


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Re: what's wrong with Hillary Clinton? [Re: Arp]
    #7428634 - 09/19/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I posted them here months back when she announced and all about it. Give me some time and I'll see if I can dig it up again.


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Re: what's wrong with Hillary Clinton? [Re: Arp]
    #7428674 - 09/19/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n7_v46/ai_15316562

Here's one article I found pretty quickly. You can research her or anything in it further.

I have no respect for her.


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Re: what's wrong with Hillary Clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7428759 - 09/19/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ah thanks dude. Seems like she handed out some inside information to the firm she was working on. A good start for corruption.

The rest Bill should be ultimately responsible for, as he was the governor?


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7429747 - 09/19/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with Hillary is that she is "elitist" and comes across that way to both men and women.

People can tell that she is a Lier and a Fake.




I guess people want a person that is average.... a C student... Unless of course Hillary was also a C student... was she?


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7434835 - 09/20/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

She's a pandering weathervane who is hard-wired into the whole DLC thing. She made a cynical decision in 2003 to let Little Lord Pissypants have his war, thinking there would be no blowback for her. Now she claims she was misled. She's full of shit.

Oh, and her new Hillarycare proposal. She actually floated the idea the other day that she can envision a day where you can't get a job unless you have health insurance. Yeah. Totally in bed with the big corporations.

She's intelligent, arrogant, ambitious, and willing to do anything to prove she's not weak, which is a tremendous weakness all by itself. She talks out of both sides of her mouth and is as phony as the day is long. Our country has suffered enough the last seven years. We don't need this fetid bitch after all we've been through.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: LucidDream]
    #7435592 - 09/21/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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She's a pandering weathervane who is hard-wired into the whole DLC thing. She made a cynical decision in 2003 to let Little Lord Pissypants have his war, thinking there would be no blowback for her. Now she claims she was misled. She's full of shit.

Oh, and her new Hillarycare proposal. She actually floated the idea the other day that she can envision a day where you can't get a job unless you have health insurance. Yeah. Totally in bed with the big corporations.

She's intelligent, arrogant, ambitious, and willing to do anything to prove she's not weak, which is a tremendous weakness all by itself. She talks out of both sides of her mouth and is as phony as the day is long. Our country has suffered enough the last seven years. We don't need this fetid bitch after all we've been through.




sadly, you are correct, and even more sadly, practically every politician is this way now-adays. we need a complete paradigm shift in US politics.

something fresh, something genuine that isn't a throw-back to some ancient administration that we will continually compare ourselves to (JFK, reagan, IKE, etc etc). we just need something we have never seen before, and none of these runners this time around have that.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: LucidDream]
    #7436745 - 09/21/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah her health care proposel is perhaps the worst solution I've ever heard. Mandatory insurance? Preposterous I say!


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7439466 - 09/22/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

People don't like her because she's an obvious politician. Americans like their politicians that are more full of shit and secretive about their ulterior motives.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Seuss]
    #7439813 - 09/22/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't like the idea of another eight years of clinton in office. We have been with the same two "ruling families" for the last 30 years or so... it is time for a change.




I think this is a major point. I rarely bring that up when talking to people about politics, as they usually just label me another American who doesn't vote by the issues. However America does not need political dynasties like we have. Granted I also don't like her stance on issues, but it annoys me that she is a front runner because of a name which she mostly didn't help to build.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: bukkake]
    #7468988 - 09/30/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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People don't like her because she's an obvious politician. Americans like their politicians that are more full of shit and secretive about their ulterior motives.




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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7469055 - 09/30/07 02:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

She's a crazy cunt with no concept of reality who is only being considered because she's "married" to one of the better presidents of the 20th century.

Also she's a senator from New York but got booed out of the building when she made a speech at Yankee Stadium...


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7470152 - 09/30/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if you ask me..whats wrong with hilary is that shes' king george in a skirt...but thats still a better choice than the GOP alternative of KG on steroids...


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7470220 - 09/30/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it seems to me that she is one of those big government, invasive policy liberals that thinks she knows what is best for everyone. She wants to be at the helm of the human race so she can steer it in the direction she thinks is right, and wants to use tax money to enact her crazy little schemes.

She wants to mother everyone and if she had her way, you wouldn't be able to smoke a cigarette in your own living room or watch a violent TV show.

if Bush is the worst example of a republican, then Hillary is the worst example of a democrat.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #7503008 - 10/09/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Gastronomicus writes:

Quote:

Yeah her health care proposel is perhaps the worst solution I've ever heard. Mandatory insurance? Preposterous I say!




Rudy Giuliani got off a great one-liner in today's debate. Something like (I may not have the precise wording here):

"Where will Canadians go for their health care if Hillary gets her way?"





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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: TheCow]
    #7506507 - 10/10/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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America does not need political dynasties like we have.




they could even be harmful.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7506676 - 10/10/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im not a hillary fan..but more people hate her just because of who she is than what she believes. this is because most of the right gets their marching orders from hannity or limbaugh. these radio shows are insanely popular among douches, and we have a lot of them in the USA. right wing talk has been bashing and lying about hillary for 8 years now. they have people actually hating her. she is actually not all that liberal...i think she sucks up to the repubs. plus the repubs in this country are super religous now, and anti woman. republicans in the usa are usually anit woman's lib, anti minority and moronically chrsitian.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7506786 - 10/10/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

curiously, Bush predicts Hilary to become the next president. at the same time Bill Clinton has cultivated a close relationship with the elder George Bush. IMO they are trying to shape a legacy by keeping their families in power. that's what it appears like to me at the moment.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: bukkake]
    #7506974 - 10/10/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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People don't like her because she's an obvious politician. Americans like their politicians that are more full of shit and secretive about their ulterior motives.




lol. truth.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7507869 - 10/11/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> but more people hate her just because of who she is than what she believes.

I disagree. Most people that dislike her dislike her because of what she does, not because of who she is.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7509290 - 10/11/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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im not a hillary fan..but more people hate her just because of who she is than what she believes. this is because most of the right gets their marching orders from hannity or limbaugh. these radio shows are insanely popular among douches, and we have a lot of them in the USA. right wing talk has been bashing and lying about hillary for 8 years now. they have people actually hating her. she is actually not all that liberal...i think she sucks up to the repubs. plus the repubs in this country are super religous now, and anti woman. republicans in the usa are usually anit woman's lib, anti minority and moronically chrsitian.




She's not liberal? Totally socialized health care as a calling card issue. Proposal (since dropped for sheer stupidity) of giving every baby $5,000. Other repeated examples of gummint largesse. "It Takes a Village."

Hillary the anti-zappa destroyer of America is attempting to ride this axiom:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

That's why I hate her. Large numbers of lefties hate her because of her war votes and huge numbers of non-partisan humans hate her because she is such an obvious whore. That and CANKLES!


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7509297 - 10/11/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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curiously, Bush predicts Hilary to become the next president.




Really? Show me where.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7520739 - 10/15/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

Story of how some guy helped Hillary raise millions for her Senate race, to get close to Bill to partner up for bussiness deal, Bill screws him, guy turns on hillary for FEC fraud, Hillary has guy sent to Brazilian prison. Hillary also uses judges in pocket and media to cover up her involvement in the FEC fraud that could've earned her 5 years in the slammer. Hillarys Fundraising manager gets nailed, instead of her, for the crime.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7522123 - 10/16/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The Clinton's (Bill and Hillary) are evil in the true sense of the word. It doesn't take much research to see why.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Seuss]
    #7522179 - 10/16/07 06:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't say evil as much as conceited and snotty


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7522402 - 10/16/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't say evil as much as conceited and snotty




That is far to polite.

Did you watch that video?

I'm with Seuss. They have no conscience. They define what greed for power at any cost does to people. What's more disturbing is to realize how above the law power brokers like them are.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7522458 - 10/16/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just watched that video now. Funny. I'm suprised Bush in all his power hasn't done anything.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7522481 - 10/16/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what Bush could do or why he would care to do anything. They all sleep in the same bed. Though Hillary takes jabs at Bush during this campaign, the Clinton and Bush families are buddy buddy. So far, Hillary has voted in support of everything Bush has put on the table regarding Iraq and Iran.

It's a done deal anyway as you can not be tried for the same crime twice.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7522536 - 10/16/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just bought a Ron Paul bumper sticker


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7522555 - 10/16/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
The problem with Hillary is that she is "elitist" and comes across that way to both men and women.

People can tell that she is a Lier and a Fake.




Great example of the most common complaints about Hillary. They have everything to do with her personna and her relation to her husband, and absolutely nothing to do with her political platform.

You have to understand that in America, politics take a back seat to personality. That is why the terminator is the governor and Reagan was the president.




BTW. Arnold was elected because of personality. He was RE-ELECTED by an overwhelming majority because the people of CA thought he did a good job. He's the only politician I've ever heard of that CHANGED his direction based upon feedback from his voters (i.e. his quote "Message received"). He made a lot of mistakes when he got into office, but he soon learned that comprimising with those in the opposite party is the only way to acheive any real progress. I lived in CA for 3 years while he was governer. I thought he was a joke when he first got election, but after I saw how much he matured I think now he's an overall great leader.

I know personality is not a great thing to vote on but think about it. Do you really want to vote for someone who treats Americans like her ROYAL SUBJECTS rather than her peers? Personality sounds like a really trivial thing to vote for, but it's the things that appear LITTLE that are important. I want a president that at least ACTS like he gives a shit about what the people want because the PRESIDENT is supposed to REPRESENT US not to TALK DOWN TO US like 2nd graders telling us we're wrong and stupid. How is the latter any farther from a facism than what we have now?


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7522584 - 10/16/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7522991 - 10/16/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

Story of how some guy helped Hillary raise millions for her Senate race, to get close to Bill to partner up for bussiness deal, Bill screws him, guy turns on hillary for FEC fraud, Hillary has guy sent to Brazilian prison. Hillary also uses judges in pocket and media to cover up her involvement in the FEC fraud that could've earned her 5 years in the slammer. Hillarys Fundraising manager gets nailed, instead of her, for the crime.




Do you guys even know who peter paul is? There is no need to regurgitate the neo-con theo-con rumor mill, peter paul later had hillary dropped from the accusation list because there was no case against her in any way shape or form. peter paul is the classic money grubbing, moral-less guy that makes up these crazy allegations that are quagmiring the political process in america. if we didn't have these people making up stories and distracting the american public from real issues then we wouldn't have half the messes we have right now. when the new-cons knew that there was no nuclear material in Niger, they still leaked that shit just because it would get picked up by the rumor mill and it would be believed for, what was it... like 2 weeks. but thats all they needs to get it planted in a few people's minds and then they distract by giving up the identity of a fucking CIA agent. thats insanity. if you leak that info to another country its what heavy treason, punishable by the death penalty. but if you leak it to the american media its somehow different? the republican machine has been co-opted by sensationalist meddlers and we would do better to not repeated it here.
okay tangent aside.
peter paul is not a credible person at all, and that civil suit he is bringing is the same disgusting shit that is suing mcdonalds for millions because you spilled your coffee on your lap and it was hot. seriously, no need to believe the rumor mill boys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_F._Paul


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: sander]
    #7523037 - 10/16/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> peter paul is not a credible person at all

Nor is Hillary Clinton. Funny how slime tend to hang together.

> and that civil suit he is bringing is the same disgusting shit that is suing mcdonalds for millions because you spilled your coffee on your lap and it was hot. seriously, no need to believe the rumor mill boys

No rumor mill.. the lady with the hot coffee had burns and won the lawsuit. Not a very good analogy to use if you are supportive of Hillary as you pretty much made your opponents point.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: sander]
    #7523100 - 10/16/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No one said Peter Paul wasn't a slime. He helped Hillary illegally raise millions for her Senate race so he could get close to Bill and partner up with him in a business venture.

FEC Fraud was committed. Her Campaign Fund raising Manager was charged guilty with FEC Fraud and sentenced.

She only got out of it because she claimed, she had no knowledge of the details of the fund raiser Peter held for her.

That was shown to be a BIG FAT LIE, the paid off judge overlooked, as we all can hear in the video that she did and was kept on top of it, in that recorded conference call.

Peter Paul is not running for President and I do not care about his personal ethics or corrupt deeds and actions.

Hillary is and thats who this is about.

If you want to believe Hillary was innocent in the FEC fraud then fine.

If you want to believe she had nothing to do with getting Paul sent to a Brazilian Prison to discredit him and get him out of her way to the top, fine.

If you want to believe that it's okay to do that to a friend who helped you raise a million bucks to get elected, and see her campaign fund raising manager take full responsibility for the crime then fine.


I'm curious to hear how you explain away her innocence in the White Water Scandal.


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Re: what's wrong with hillary clinton? [Re: Seuss]
    #7523711 - 10/16/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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> and that civil suit he is bringing is the same disgusting shit that is suing mcdonalds for millions because you spilled your coffee on your lap and it was hot. seriously, no need to believe the rumor mill boys

No rumor mill.. the lady with the hot coffee had burns and won the lawsuit. Not a very good analogy to use if you are supportive of Hillary as you pretty much made your opponents point.




I'm bring up the fact [opinion] that the availability of money through lawsuits and slander is undermining personal responsibility. Yes boiling water will give you burns, if that hot water was supplied through employee negligence, then this person should bring a civil suit to get the corporation to pay medical costs, and get the negligent employee fired so that this does not happen in the future, but instead she goes for a multi-million dollar settlement out of greed.
I'm just trying to bring up an issue of personal ethics. although I do see how there is an argument for getting every penny we can out of large profitable companies, I have trouble stomaching a person who will illegally inflate his company's stock prices with speculative stock bidding (which will obviously result in a bankruptcy when the bubble pops) only to drive up his personal assets. This is corporate fraud on a massive level, and then he can turn around and slander a politician he wanted to use as a tool just because he didn't get his way?
"The Clinton campaign was ultimately asked to pay $35,000 in fines for having underreported the cost of the gala.[32] Paul's suit against the FEC was thrown out; his attempt to bring ethics charges against Clinton were rejected,[33] and his fraud charges against Senator Clinton were tossed out in April 2006.[34] As of April 2007[35], Paul's civil charges against Senator Clinton and former President Clinton for "looting"[36] his business remained outstanding."

I realize that wasn't the most eloquent writing but I'm rushed and will look at this after dinner when i have time, please give me some feedback to respond to, I love this shit.

On a personal note, I am not trying to advocate that the Clintons are pure human beings that should be upheld as pillars for the rest of us to emulate, I am merely trying to say that these are politicians that are trying to solve problems in the domestic and international arenas, and that the current state of politics in the United States is to focus on non-policy issues that allow for populist charismatic demagogues to maintain control and dictate our desires through media distraction.

Later today I will post on the ideological issues between contemporary american liberals and the neoconservative/theoconservatives that run the republican party with their new american century platform. aka: Universal Healthcare and the Middle East.


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