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Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student
#7426874 - 09/19/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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UF student Tasered at Kerry forum By KIM WILMATH, Alligator Writer A UF student was shot with a Taser gun, arrested and charged with a felony Monday because police said he started a riot during Sen. John Kerry's on-campus speech.
Andrew Meyer, a telecommunication senior and former Alligator columnist, was charged with a third-degree felony for resisting arrest with violence, according to a University Police Department report.
A third-degree felony could mean up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000, according to a UF Web site.
Meyer attempted to ask Kerry, a Democrat from Massachusetts, about his involvement in Skull and Bones, a secret society at Yale University, at the end of the speech's question-and-answer session.
But when his microphone was cut off, Meyer began to scream in protest. Members of Accent, Student Government's speakers bureau, cut off the microphone because Meyer used profanity, said Steven Blank, Accent chairman. Accent sponsored the forum, which was held at the University Auditorium.
Several officers attempted to remove Meyer from the microphone when he began "acting in a violent manner" and "pushing the officers," according to the report.
Police said Meyer was told to comply with the officers, but he continued to resist.
"Don't Tase me, bro!" Meyer screamed as officers attempted to drag him outside the University Auditorium. "I didn't do anything."
Steve Orlando, UF's spokesman, said police then shot Meyer with a Taser gun.
Meyer was booked into the Alachua County Jail just after 2 p.m., where he remained until at least 9 p.m. Monday, according to jail records. He could not be reached for comment.
Matthew Howland, a UF history senior who also attended the speech and videotaped the incident on his cell phone, said police held the Taser gun on Meyer for about seven seconds.
Howland said he thought Meyer was behaving inappropriately, but the officers' actions left most of the audience members stunned.
"How can you say a student created a riot when it was clearly the officers who elevated the situation to a level it did not need to go?" Howland said.
He said Meyer's frantic reaction seemed understandable. "How are you supposed to react if you have six officers hopping on you and yelling at you?" he asked.
"I don't want to say it was police brutality because that term should be saved for more obvious events, but it was damn close," he added.
Jeff Holcomb, UPD spokesman, could not be reached for comment.
While Meyer wrestled with officers at the back of the auditorium, Howland said Kerry remained on stage, trying to keep the rest of the crowd calm and answering more questions.
A spokesman for Kerry would not comment.
Asia Johnson, a UF advertising senior who was also at the speech, said Kerry was trying to answer Meyer's question as police started grabbing him.
Johnson said as police pinned Meyer to the ground, she heard him yell, "Just get off of me and I'll walk out of here."
She created a Facebook group later that day about the incident called "John Kerry conference at UF! A fiasco!!! Needs to be known!" and outlined her account of the event.
"If the police are considered to be the 'good' side of this world, I did not see that today," Johnson wrote. "Today I saw fear, confusion and ignorance."
Johnson said she planned to write a letter to UPD administrators, urging them to reprimand the officers at the speech and issue a formal apology to Meyer.
Johnson struggled to catch her breath during a telephone interview that night, explaining that she was still shaken up about the incident.
"His cries of help were absolutely horrifying," she said. "It's going to stick with me for a long time. It's going to stick with him even longer."
A group of UF students will stage a march today from noon to 1 p.m. on the Plaza of the Americas, said Tina Steiger, an international relations junior who helped organize the march.
Steiger said students would demand that UPD drop all charges against Meyer, immediately suspend the officers involved in his arrest and remove all Taser guns from campus.
Alligator Staff Writer Andrew Tan contributed to this report.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7426878 - 09/19/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah that was pretty bad. Fucking A-holes.
Is it really neccessarry to tase them if they are on the ground surrounded by multiple guards?
He had his rights trampled.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: sui]
#7426887 - 09/19/07 03:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what I'm saying, that shit's all fucked up.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7426969 - 09/19/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What question was he asking?
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7426980 - 09/19/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm. On the one hand, I'm disgusted by taze-happy cops. On the other hand, I've never met a journalism student who didn't have it coming.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427008 - 09/19/07 06:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you see why they subdued him youcan understand:
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: JunkFood]
#7427061 - 09/19/07 06:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for filling my morning with rage... i so did not need that.
everyone in that room was a fag, i hope if anyone here sees anything like that happen you consider it your duty to start punching cops, as i would. if i ever see john kerry i'm going to scream that kids name over and over.
i don't understand at all, that one police officer was fucking smiling, john kerry was trying to talk through his cries of pain.
you know tasers kill and permantly injure people sometimes right?
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: JunkFood]
#7427105 - 09/19/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> When you see why they subdued him youcan understand:
Ding! We have a winner! It amazes me how quickly people jump up to defend this kid without having researched what actually happened. They watch the 30 second edited youtube clip and scream bloody murder, police brutality, etc. Watch the entire ten minutes, without the creative editing, and you can see the kid got exactly what he deserved. This is why people in the audience clap when the police start to remove him. They saw the whole thing, not the 30 to 90 seconds of video that has been showing up on youtube. It is cool to have an opinion, one way or the other, but at least base the opinion off of facts of the entire situation rather than off of the last few seconds of video.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Seuss]
#7427220 - 09/19/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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so why did they subdue him? Sure he was causing a scene, and being disruptive. But is that against the law? What charges other than resisting FALSE arrest are they going to bring on him?
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427240 - 09/19/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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They were just trying to escort him out because he was being an ass, and it wasnt his property. The property owner (the school) wanted him off of the mic. He was not under arrest at that point. Only when he started fighting with the cops did he risk arrest, and give them a reason tase him. Why the fuck does he start struggling, yanking and screaming at the cops?
What a whiny bitch. He got exactly what was coming to him.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: truekimbo2]
#7427286 - 09/19/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sound like you'v got violence in your heart bra leme mellow them with my crunchy vibes
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427293 - 09/19/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was hilarious

What a jackass
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: YidakiMan]
#7427318 - 09/19/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cutting his mic and removing him was unprovoked. Tazing was not, he resisted, you're not supposed to resist. So I ask again, what are they going to charge him with? He was just speaking, albeit making an ass of himself, when they cut his mic. AND Kerry obviously DID NOT want him removed. The people who should be charged are those RentaCops, they should be charged with assault and battery and kidnapping for an unprovoked attack against a civilian.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427333 - 09/19/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That kid was a whiny little bitch who is one of those fucks that tries to push the cops to the point, and he fucking deserved what he got. I have no sympathy for this fuck.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427343 - 09/19/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please call to express your concerns about this horrific incident:
University of Florida Police Department: (352) 329-1111
University of Florida main switchboard: (352) 392-3261
University of Florida Police Department's Dispatch Center: (352) 392-1111 available 24-hours daily.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: YidakiMan]
#7427349 - 09/19/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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YidakiMan said: Cutting his mic and removing him was unprovoked. Tazing was not, he resisted, you're not supposed to resist. So I ask again, what are they going to charge him with? He was just speaking, albeit making an ass of himself, when they cut his mic. AND Kerry obviously DID NOT want him removed. The people who should be charged are those RentaCops, they should be charged with assault and battery and kidnapping for an unprovoked attack against a civilian.
Kerry was going to address the question, but then the thugs were to busy controlling the situation. If they just let it ride it could have been an interesting conversation.
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Quote:
Corporal Kielbasa said: Please call to express your concerns about this horrific incident:
University of Florida Police Department: (352) 329-1111
University of Florida main switchboard: (352) 392-3261
University of Florida Police Department's Dispatch Center: (352) 392-1111 available 24-hours daily.
No. I could find millions of causes far better than this to waste my time on.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7427361 - 09/19/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking to you
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I'm willing to stake a lot that you were talking to anyone and everyone who would read it.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7427385 - 09/19/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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More for the people who wanna call them. Not for someone who doesn't give a fuck.
Politics should be real, you should be able to talk. What i saw was oppression and police abusing their rights. The man was not acting violent, he actually cared about what he was saying and trying to get his point out. We would have had a chance to hear Kerry if, it wasn't for the fags in blue.
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I think Kerry actually ended up answering the question. I'm also pretty sure those are campus police who are always quick on the trigger with "rowdy" college kids. I've seen worse, that's my point. The only reason this is a big deal is because of Youtube and because he's a college kid that appears to know his rights. It's fairly clear to me he's trying to get a rise out of the cops with his actions after they try to ask him out.
Maybe he wasn't inciting a riot, and maybe the cops were unreasonable in asking him out in the first place, but after that it's my belief that the rest was of his doing. Had he taken a reasonable course of action (i.e. leaving and talking to the cops outside in a reasonable manner) I'm sure none of that would have happened and he probably would have been let back in.
Also if you read article posted in OTD about it, it appears that the cops weren't responsible for cutting off the mic, I think the person who organized the event was. The cops just simply asked to him to leave, which he could have done like a normal person and taken care of the matter in a private setting.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7427468 - 09/19/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the BEST video of the tase thing, and you havent seen it yet
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: implee]
#7427521 - 09/19/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If that's a group of rent-a-pigs and not real cops, that kid will whoop their legal asses in court. A rent-a-pig doesn't have the right to taze you, hit you, or anything like that unless you're getting violent and are a threat to either their safety or someone elses.
Resisting arrest may be a viable reason for real pigs to taze somebody, and it will hold up in a court. Not rent-a-pigs. Those motherfuckers don't have a shred of power, which is great. Nothing better than fucking with a wannabe cop. The only thing lower than a pig is a wannabe pig.
That said, if those are real cops (hard to tell from the video, but they seemed like rent-a-pigs to me), that kid had it coming, and real police would have had every right to detain him with a tazing. Tazing hurts like a bitch, but it doesn't cause any lasting injury, and is certainly a better way to detain a struggler than trying to pull a Rodney King. I'd rather be at the end of a tazer than a nightstick, that's for damn sure.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Angered Roach]
#7427539 - 09/19/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do campus cops carry guns?
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Some do, some don't. It varies from campus to campus. I think ours do, I'm not sure though.
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The kid was asking some interesting questions. I can't believe they muzzled him like that. Scary shit.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#7427715 - 09/19/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427757 - 09/19/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Give me a break. That guy was acting ridicules. They didn't shut him up at all. HE caused a huge fucking scene just trying to call up the towns folk. They were not trying stop him from asking the questions... You think those police officers really care? No, they don't. They do care, however, when he jerked away and started causing a scene. Once that happens in a large crowded area, its grounds for taking someone down as fast as possible. (or it could escalated very fucking fast) I think they should have got him out quicker.
And he deserved the teaser. It doesn't even leave a mark. Just a quick jolt of pain.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7427773 - 09/19/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well wtf, the video starts after the police are already fucking surrounding him and shit so i cant really judge this at all and i dunno how anyone else can.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Locus]
#7427866 - 09/19/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The guy was being bitch when they tried to kick him out and starting fighting the cops. At that point letting him go was no longer an option so he got his ass tased. He was a faggot martyr.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428051 - 09/19/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL I just like to get uppity
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428113 - 09/19/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I support the kids actions 100% and yes I've seen the whole damn speech, it was aired on Bay News 9. The kid was stunned for using his constitutional right of freedom of expression and quite frankly, we all should support this kids actions, regardless if he was a "whiny bitch". This is America, not Nazi Germany.
Quite Frankly, we need more people like Meyer. Atleast the kids got the balls to speak his mind.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428260 - 09/19/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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that kid was irritating. they shoulda gagged him as well.
he wasn't excercising intellgent form in his questions, he was just running his mouth like a 5 year old.
that is a tempertantrum, and the taser was the mama's silencing backhand of the law.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: DieCommie]
#7428336 - 09/19/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: They were just trying to escort him out because he was being an ass, and it wasnt his property. The property owner (the school) wanted him off of the mic. He was not under arrest at that point. Only when he started fighting with the cops did he risk arrest, and give them a reason tase him. Why the fuck does he start struggling, yanking and screaming at the cops?
What a whiny bitch. He got exactly what was coming to him.
Quoted for fucking truth.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: moon_glue]
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moon_glue said: that kid was irritating. they shoulda gagged him as well.
he wasn't excercising intellgent form in his questions, he was just running his mouth like a 5 year old.
that is a tempertantrum, and the taser was the mama's silencing backhand of the law.
This type of thought train is exactly the problem with America my friend. All too often we succumb to what Society deems as appropriate behavior, regardless if this behavior is contradictory to our constitutional rights. We have the freedom of expression guarenteed to us in our Ammendments, why not exercise this right?
To not do so is an atrocity my friend. Remember the 3 R's: Resist, Rebel, Revolt.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428371 - 09/19/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean, I think the kid had it coming to him, BUT Kerry was saying "Don't worry, I'll answer" and was trying to give an answer but the cops got a fucking rush out of bullshit and decided to move in.
He was making a huge scene and I'm slightly more on the side that he deserved it, while the other side of me says it was fucked up of UPD for tasering a student that pays their fucking bills. On top of that, I don't understand why they brought him to the back of the room instead of outside and then took care of him.
either way, I'm not a huge fan of UPD here so I'm partly glad this happened.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Cracka_X]
#7428435 - 09/19/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean the question was interesting. The actual question is in some vids and I would of liked an answer. It was a blind side question I am sure no one was prepared for but it was a question. He just acted like a fool on the mic. If he would of let kerry rebutt without his stream of paranoid consciousness I think it would of been great. But he did sorta cut kerry off on his rant.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Tangerines]
#7428494 - 09/19/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he was being rushed by the police before he even made his final statement. He had his book in hand and the authorities were standing all around him. Well before he even started to "throw a bitch fit" the cops were interrupting him for raising his voice on a very good question. Only after they interrupted and started to grab at him did he start the rant/babble. His point at the start was not "acceptable" so they instigated him by crowding him and censoring him. If I was trying to make my point, and someone was grabbing me and restraining me, I'd head butt them in the face.
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yea he asked a good question....just he did not ask it in a respectful way. Even if he has no respect. If he was better at asking it i think he would have beenn fine
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Tangerines]
#7428522 - 09/19/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree, but do you see how in some videos the police are three deep around the man before he even says one word? They were breathing down his neck. You only see it in a couple vids. To me thats intimidating. It's like having attack dogs sitting there unleashed waiting for a command.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428527 - 09/19/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try and exercise some discernment. The kid wanted exactly what happened (do some research on his history of attention whoring). We have freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean we are protected from being regulated when our expression is no longer constructive or welcome in the forum we're expressing ourselves in. Why do you think the crowd cheered when the cops grabbed the idiot? I am of course free to go into work today and call my boss a fat smelly pig. I can't be prosecuted for doing that. I can however be forcefully removed from the premises, have my job taken away, and if I resist my removal, further consequences loom.
The idiot wasn't following the form of the discussion. He was trying to ask multiple questions, trying to make his own rules and he got shut down, then he tried to make a scene on purpose. This is exactly what he wanted. Now he can play the little victim even though he doesn't know how good he's got it in Skull & Bones land.
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yea that dude was like skinny and no threat at all. Yet they have 5 officers there like its a big struggle. That one big (renta)cop could of handled him alone.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Viveka]
#7428536 - 09/19/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah he was an idiot!
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428541 - 09/19/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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moon_glue said: that kid was irritating. they shoulda gagged him as well.
he wasn't excercising intellgent form in his questions, he was just running his mouth like a 5 year old.
that is a tempertantrum, and the taser was the mama's silencing backhand of the law.
This type of thought train is exactly the problem with America my friend. All too often we succumb to what Society deems as appropriate behavior, regardless if this behavior is contradictory to our constitutional rights. We have the freedom of expression guarenteed to us in our Ammendments, why not exercise this right?
To not do so is an atrocity my friend. Remember the 3 R's: Resist, Rebel, Revolt.
Resist, Rebel, and Revolt? Are you fucking kidding me? Why? You don't just say shit like that, have a fucking reason to back it up.
I don't see what that "train of thought" has to do with society at fucking all. If you haven't figure it out yet, genius, most of the people support the kid, not the cops. So "society" backs up the whiny fuckface. There's a difference between this being an infringement on rights, and a fucking annoying waste of time. They got a minute and a half (I believe) to ask ONE question. This kid went over his time AND asked more questions than he was alloted, he broke the fucking rules, and reasonable rules at that. He deserved what he got.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Viveka]
#7428547 - 09/19/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Viveka said: Try and exercise some discernment. The kid wanted exactly what happened (do some research on his history of attention whoring).
I'll agree the kid was looking for attention and publicity. In anycase though, were the rent a cops not bombarding him and crowding the kid, we may of actually seen intelligent questions and answers.
He must of felt uncomfortable with all the cops around him, I know I would have. He just wanted to finish his line of questioning.
Not to mention, Kerry was attempting to answer his questions on how Bush fucked America once again in '04.
Florida + Anti Bush Questions = Censorship.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7428575 - 09/19/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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moon_glue said: that kid was irritating. they shoulda gagged him as well.
he wasn't excercising intellgent form in his questions, he was just running his mouth like a 5 year old.
that is a tempertantrum, and the taser was the mama's silencing backhand of the law.
This type of thought train is exactly the problem with America my friend. All too often we succumb to what Society deems as appropriate behavior, regardless if this behavior is contradictory to our constitutional rights. We have the freedom of expression guarenteed to us in our Ammendments, why not exercise this right?
To not do so is an atrocity my friend. Remember the 3 R's: Resist, Rebel, Revolt.
Resist, Rebel, and Revolt? Are you fucking kidding me? Why? You don't just say shit like that, have a fucking reason to back it up.
I don't see what that "train of thought" has to do with society at fucking all. If you haven't figure it out yet, genius, most of the people support the kid, not the cops. So "society" backs up the whiny fuckface. There's a difference between this being an infringement on rights, and a fucking annoying waste of time. They got a minute and a half (I believe) to ask ONE question. This kid went over his time AND asked more questions than he was alloted, he broke the fucking rules, and reasonable rules at that. He deserved what he got.
If you cannot see how freedom of speech and society relate, you need to rethink your views my friend. Obviously everyone is going to support the kid, the problem is it's an unending line of censorship and mishap with Florida, this is not the first incident like this.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428577 - 09/19/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now you're making assumptions that university police are all pro-bush. That's a pretty far stretch.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428590 - 09/19/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And no, that's not what I said. I see how they relate, I don't see what moon_glue said has to do with society or anything like that. The kid was being a cunt and not following the forum rules, it's really as fucking simple as that.
Both parties (the cops and the kid) overreacted, but please, the cops aren't "evil fucking pigs" here, they acted like human beings.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7428616 - 09/19/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jewunit said: Now you're making assumptions that university police are all pro-bush. That's a pretty far stretch.
Obviously their not all pro Bush, but Florida is a Republican, Bible belt state. I put very little trust in a system, that has such little intelligence. The kid was out of line, absolutely, as were the police. I just hope incidents like this serve as a lesson to the state, as opposed to fading into history in a week.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7428620 - 09/19/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope they also serve a lesson to stupid fuckwit kids who think it's okay to push people to their limits because they know their rights. That shit you learn on the ACLU videos really isn't as practical as they'd like you to think.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: jewunit]
#7428633 - 09/19/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jewunit said: I hope they also serve a lesson to stupid fuckwit kids who think it's okay to push people to their limits because they know their rights. That shit you learn on the ACLU videos really isn't as practical as they'd like you to think.
Agreed.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Seuss]
#7428651 - 09/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > When you see why they subdued him youcan understand:
Ding! We have a winner! It amazes me how quickly people jump up to defend this kid without having researched what actually happened. They watch the 30 second edited youtube clip and scream bloody murder, police brutality, etc. Watch the entire ten minutes, without the creative editing, and you can see the kid got exactly what he deserved. This is why people in the audience clap when the police start to remove him. They saw the whole thing, not the 30 to 90 seconds of video that has been showing up on youtube. It is cool to have an opinion, one way or the other, but at least base the opinion off of facts of the entire situation rather than off of the last few seconds of video.
The guys lucky they didn't beat him up. Bruises last for days...the pain of a stun gun only lasts as long as they have the trigger pulled. In the old days, before cell-phones with video cameras and youtube, they would have gotten a few good hits in.
I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying he got what he deserved.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: trendal]
#7428707 - 09/19/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those students are all pussies. They should've fucking rioted. When the pork starts shutting down the first amendment it's time to throw fucking chairs and shit. I wouldn't let my fellow student go down like that. Fuck that.
Watched the long version, too. Fuck that shit. Let the man have his say. Yall siding with the pigs are fucked.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7428720 - 09/19/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Those students are all pussies. They should've fucking rioted. When the pork starts shutting down the first amendment it's time to throw fucking chairs and shit. I wouldn't let my fellow student go down like that. Fuck that.
Watched the long version, too. Fuck that shit. Let the man have his say. Yall siding with the pigs are fucked.
He was charged with trying to incite a riot. A lot of innocent people would have gotten hurt if he started a riot just because he is a attention whore cry baby acting like a 12 year old. Not cool at all. The kid deserved to tased 100%, fucking trying to start a riot getting people hurt over this stupid non sense.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: ShiVersblood]
#7428954 - 09/19/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The kid was being a retard, the police over-reacted. They didn't need to taser him, but he was definitely out of line. I'm in Gainesville where it happened. The UPD carry guns, they have more power then normal cops here and they know it. They are the ones who will write you a ticket for going 3mph over a 20mph speed limit on a bike. On the other hand, the kid was acting like an idiot in front of a national icon and deserved it. Its a little of both.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#7429020 - 09/19/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watched the long version, too. Fuck that shit. Let the man have his say.
The question period was over before he got to the front of the line. Everyone else in line ahead of him was sitting down like normal people. None of them had a chance to ask their question either, but they didn't behave like animals over it.
Then the guy was asked to leave the building and he refused. Instead he kept rushing toward the stage and the microphone.
The reason he was tased and arrested was because he refused to leave after being told to and because he resisted the cops moving him toward the door, not because he asked the wrong question.
Does anyone care about the facts any more or is denouncing the police regardless of the facts the correct sheep reaction now every time someone throws a hissy fit and has to be arrested?
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Diploid]
#7429117 - 09/19/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That kid has had a history of trying to get attention on campus. This time he got international attention, which I think is outrageous.
Michael Moore came my freshman year and I heard groups of people brought signs, everyone was heckling him, and there were kids painted up for him.
I should've gone to that one. I saw Ron Jeremy argue with a feminist dyke here and that was pretty entertaining.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Diploid]
#7429130 - 09/19/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Watched the long version, too. Fuck that shit. Let the man have his say.
The question period was over before he got to the front of the line. Everyone else in line ahead of him was sitting down like normal people. None of them had a chance to ask their question either, but they didn't behave like animals over it.
Then the guy was asked to leave the building and he refused. Instead he kept rushing toward the stage and the microphone.
The reason he was tased and arrested was because he refused to leave after being told to and because he resisted the cops moving him toward the door, not because he asked the wrong question.
Does anyone care about the facts any more or is denouncing the police regardless of the facts the correct sheep reaction now every time someone throws a hissy fit has to be arrested?
Diploid, I think it more comes down to a matter of how the situation was handled, then the situation itself. The kid was subdued in the back and the police tasered him repeatedly, that was unnecessary, and a wee bit of overkill. There is absolutely no need for that type of violence, especially considering it was not a violent situation until the campus police made it such.
Meyers was using his freedom of speech, maybe to an unacceptable extent. Regardless, the police seriously over-reacted, and that is the issue.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7429176 - 09/19/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The kid was subdued in the back and the police tasered him repeatedly, that was unnecessary, and a wee bit of overkill.
This isn't accurate.
The kid was not subdued. He was struggling with the cops who warned him if he continued he'd be tased. He continued and was tased. Once.
Meyers was using his freedom of speech
This has nothing to do with speech. The question period was over. He could have left when asked and continued to rant his free speech all he liked outside. The owners of the building asked him to leave, not to shut up.
Instead of leaving, he repeatedly rushed toward the stage. The police had no choice but to stop him. That's what they're for: stopping people who are breaking the rules.
The police TRIED to simply walk him out (instead of arresting him) several times. The guy kept fighting and rushing the stage instead of leaving. He escalated the situation. All the cops did was keep up.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Diploid]
#7429203 - 09/19/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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DON'T TASE ME, BRO. He got what was coming to him. He was yelling, flailing his arms around and making a scene. He's a bitch.
On another note, the book he was waving around by Greg Palast is a damn good book.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Diploid]
#7429456 - 09/19/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's the fact that they tased him in the first place, although, I'll admit, I was wrong on "tased repeatedly", I mistook one of the camera shots as a taser flash. Frankly, I'm amazed they didn't shoot the kid.
Florida cops are corrupt, even if this incident is considered by some not to be. Not that there isn't corrupt cops everywhere, just Florida has the largest number of them. I've seen much worse happen off the camera here in Florida.
In anycase, this incident has went international, and if the Campus Police were in the "right", why would the officers who made that bad call be put on Administrative leave?
But if you have any doubts to how fucked up Florida is, just check out the DOC's website, and look at the sentences this state hands out.
Alright, I'm done ranting, we'll see how it all plays out I'm sure.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7429760 - 09/19/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Florida cops are corrupt, even if this incident is considered by some not to be. Not that there isn't corrupt cops everywhere, just Florida has the largest number of them.
So you are saying they did this because they are on the take?
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: DieCommie]
#7430137 - 09/19/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Florida cops are corrupt, even if this incident is considered by some not to be. Not that there isn't corrupt cops everywhere, just Florida has the largest number of them.
So you are saying they did this because they are on the take?
I never said that at all, you misinterpreted what I stated. I'll break it down for you:
"Florida cops are corrupt"
*First part of the statement, indicating that a large number of police in the state of Florida are corrupt in thier actions.
Corruption defined as being guilty of dishonest practices, such as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked; debased in character; depraved, etc.
",even if this incident is considered by some not to be."
*Second part of the statement, preceded by a "comma," a comma is an indication of a pause, break or separation in a sentence. In the preface it was used, the comma indicates some do not hold this to be true, well at the same time not placing a biased view-point on the subject myself.
Placed in conjunction, it is evident I hold an unbiased stance on the issue. I think the police officer(s) who made the call to tase the youth was in the wrong, but from my prior statements in this thread it is also evident I believe the youths actions to be rather excessive.
Did I state the police involved were all corrupt or in cahoots in any way, shape or form? I certainly did not. This topic is all in how you interpret it, plain, and simple.
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GGreatOne234 said: I've never come across a cow pasture in Florida that did not have No Trespassing signs. Those signs mean stay the f away.
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7430147 - 09/19/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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any political figuer on stage is bound to have a panic button.
in any event however, this kid was lame and stupid and i would have tazed his whiny bitch ass to!
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Re: Florida Cops Tase Journalism Student [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7576499 - 10/30/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no justification for them tasering him; they had him restrained and they tasered him as a punishment. How did they even think they could get away with that? And have they been prosecuted?
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