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cloudtripper
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: fireworks_god]
#7391041 - 09/10/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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So God was filtered through their Ego, creating an Ego God like the jealous one in the OT ?
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: cloudtripper]
#7391130 - 09/10/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't see g*d as being a phenomenon that is filtered through their mind, but rather as being an identity that was produced through their mind. The identity and meaning that individuals choose to assign to g*d is a reflection of themselves, ultimately. Its symbolism, but it isn't necessary for realization or understanding, in fact, its pretty darn counterproductive.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: cloudtripper]
#7392335 - 09/10/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said: I think this has been touched on before (from searching) but not exactly like this.
My question is that if the Aztecs where so connected to God through drugs, including Mushrooms, why did they act so terribly violently ?
Was it the alcohol, just the culture, their harsh environment ... or even ... their God ?
Not a really good advertisement for Mushrooms and enlightenment.
Also does anyone know of any Peace loving cultures that used Mushrooms and drugs (mushrooms specifically).
They worshiped death gods that demand human sacrifice. This is not the same kind of incompetent sissy god that dies nailed to a tree for your sins.
Basically, drugs do not calm people down usually. There are ganja weed militias in Africa that massacre villages. I think it's a mistake to blame drugs for the violence. It's just their way of life.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
#7392341 - 09/10/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7394673 - 09/11/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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They worshiped death gods that demand human sacrifice. This is not the same kind of incompetent sissy god that dies nailed to a tree for your sins.
You mean the story of Jesus I guess. I'd call the sissy or corward the one that causes others to be sacrificed without harm to himself, not the one that scarifices himself for others.
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Basically, drugs do not calm people down usually. There are ganja weed militias in Africa that massacre villages. I think it's a mistake to blame drugs for the violence. It's just their way of life.
It depends on the drug, and the set and setting of course. I think you will find that other drugs are added to the mix in your African example, it's also common to add gun powder to the mix.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: cloudtripper]
#7398538 - 09/11/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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They worshiped death gods that demand human sacrifice. This is not the same kind of incompetent sissy god that dies nailed to a tree for your sins.
You mean the story of Jesus I guess. I'd call the sissy or corward the one that causes others to be sacrificed without harm to himself, not the one that scarifices himself for others.
Fair enough.
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Basically, drugs do not calm people down usually. There are ganja weed militias in Africa that massacre villages. I think it's a mistake to blame drugs for the violence. It's just their way of life.
It depends on the drug, and the set and setting of course. I think you will find that other drugs are added to the mix in your African example, it's also common to add gun powder to the mix.
I have heard of the gunpowder/cocaine mix. However I can not imagine anyone, even ganja weed militias adding gunpowder to their joints. LOL is they did.
Set and setting and way of life. We are mostly peaceful people. Searching for enlightenment or higher truth or oneness with god or whatever. That's our psychedelic culture based on hippie anti-war peaceniks.
Other cultures, most cultures really do not share this ideal. They are too concerned with having enough food to eat and water to drink. They are primitive and have more immediate concerns. You can not expect a barbarous tribe or any barbarians to behave with your ideals in mind even if the set and setting was otherwise identical when you take acid together.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Ellis Dee]
#7399026 - 09/11/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Other cultures, most cultures really do not share this ideal. They are too concerned with having enough food to eat and water to drink. They are primitive and have more immediate concerns. You can not expect a barbarous tribe or any barbarians to behave with your ideals in mind even if the set and setting was otherwise identical when you take acid together.
Yeah, I know.
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I have heard of the gunpowder/cocaine mix. However I can not imagine anyone, even ganja weed militias adding gunpowder to their joints. LOL is they did.
When I think about it that is kinda funny ... snap crackle and pop ! It sure would burn well hehe... i think I was getting confused with them snornting it with stuff like cocaine as you said .. which is just sad.
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Edited by cloudtripper (09/12/07 12:25 AM)
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: cloudtripper]
#7399201 - 09/12/07 12:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sure, just as one could see nowadays, there were 'SOME' aztecs that probably had to develop a scapegoat in order to show the rest of the people that 'something' was being done to try and alleviate whatever bullshit they had going on.
just my speculation.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Cracka_X]
#7402845 - 09/12/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything the Aztecs "did" and believed in was right for their time and place.
Do not be quick to judge them, or their culture...
Their "Bible" predicted exactly what would happen to them... and it did.
What other culture can claim the same?
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: kimikiri]
#7406462 - 09/13/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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you have any readings I could delve into?
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How do you get 10,000+ people to stand orderly in a line to get their hearts ripped out...?
How do you get 30,000 Americans to line up in Iraq as targets?
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7408338 - 09/14/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: The Aztecs were a culturally bankrupt group of outcasts who stole the culture of the other tribes they subjugated. They were wonderful engineers and fierce warriors, but their religious sentiments were misappropriated ideas from tribes that they dominated. They sort of resembled us in this way.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Icelander]
#7408559 - 09/14/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dat OC feller is sho' one wise mo'fo'.
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Icelander
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There is a vast difference between being wise and being a wiseguy.
Although it is best to be some of both.
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Edited by Icelander (09/14/07 10:59 AM)
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Icelander]
#7422245 - 09/18/07 01:51 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would start out with:
Aztecs: Reign of Blood & Splendor
Time-Life Books
For Deeper realization look to...
Hernan Cortes, Conqueror of Mexico
Miami Press
Both of these texts can be obtained rather cheaply.
There is also a compilation of a priest who was "there" that sells for over $500 US dollars.
I have not seen those archives yet...
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: kimikiri]
#7422276 - 09/18/07 02:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that the Aztecs were slowly dragged down by the absence of common human affection and love there love of greed and power overwhelmed them and they slowly were left with only one thing that could make them feel alive... the death of another
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: Walter1496211]
#7426392 - 09/18/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Aztecs were really no different than we are today.
Their empire ran on blood. The blood of human sacrifice is what kept people in line. It was a code that the entire region accepted.
People "say" that things are "different" today...
That is a lie. Everything is just served on a "new" platter.
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Re: Aztecs, Drugs and Sacrifice [Re: cloudtripper]
#7426417 - 09/18/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is true, human sacrifice still exists. Society in general is responsible for people going insane or killing themselves, nobody is an island on their own. There is a vested interest in considerable losses. 1% of the population owns all the wealth and millions starve to death. These are necessary sacrifices, we haven't gotten that far up the ladder of evolution yet.
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